Dealer claims to change oil by sucking from top?

[StevenStarke]

My dealer says they suck the oil from the top when changing the oil? They claim the drain plug is easily stripped so they only do it this way. It's making me wonder if I shouldn't use my regular place. Anyone ever heard of this?

[AudiTFSI3o3]

My dealer says they suck the oil from the top when changing the oil? They claim the drain plug is easily stripped so they only do it this way. It's making me wonder if I shouldn't use my regular place. Anyone ever heard of this?

[StevenStarke]

Lmao

[grovlet]

Yup - many folks (and the dealer) find it easier to use a fluid evacuation system because it's simple, easy and quicker than getting to the plug and then getting to the filter is easier so you don't have to worry about the plug.

MityVac Fluid evacuation systems

I wouldn't have any concerns over doing it this way - it may actually work better in that it may get more fluid than the typical drain method.

[Loe]

I use an oil evacuator (sucking from top) for my 20000mile in-between service (extra oil change inbetween my audicare services for safe measure since I tend to run my car hard at the strips). Nothing new, many have been doing it for years. It doesn't replace a gravity, but the suction it creates is enough to get almost all of the fluids + whatever deposits that are suspended in the fluid.

[jygesq]

More for convience, audi had large belly pan , with no access for drain plug, most dealers and many board posters use pump to drain oil pan when changing oil

[StevenStarke]

I'm not concerned with doing it this way. I'm more wondering if doing it the regular way is ok then?

[Bludool]

Oil plug can be stripped if your trying to ham fist it. If you take your time, hand tighten, use a new washer and then proper torque settings with a wrench it is fine.

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[BlownOne]

Either way works fine. It's just quicker/easier for the dealer to suck the oil out than it is to lift the car, remove the plastic under tray and drain the oil.

Will

[HackDevil]

I just died


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[kzrsix]

she resembles the much maligned Erin Andrews. Must be lubing the video cameras..

[jcdeng]

I feel like this way you can't get all the old oil out. Kinda like they are cutting corners just to save time b/c taking off the underbelly and drain plug will make them spend 30 extra mins on the job? Thought dealers always want to do it the lengthy way cuz they charge labor by the hour.

[chaos2984]

My dealer says they suck the oil from the top when changing the oil? They claim the drain plug is easily stripped so they only do it this way. It's making me wonder if I shouldn't use my regular place. Anyone ever heard of this?

I vouch for the drain plug. I did my first oil change after the free first one and the drain plug sucks major balls. I have never seen a worse drain plug. And yes it is easy to strip if you don't know what your doing. You have to tighten the crap out of it to get it to seal right. I have never come across a drain plug like this before. I am deff going to buy a extractor for the next oil change thats for sure.

[wwhan]

The extractor method from the top works well, just need to get the engine pretty warm before doing it. After reaching full engine temperature, shut off & wait about 15 minutes, then extract the oil.

[esimp2k]

I feel like this way you can't get all the old oil out. Kinda like they are cutting corners just to save time b/c taking off the underbelly and drain plug will make them spend 30 extra mins on the job? Thought dealers always want to do it the lengthy way cuz they charge labor by the hour.

The dealer doesn't charge you how long it takes. They charge you how long the book says it takes. That's why the service business is so lucrative.


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[Willënskraft]

[hotleadsingergu]

In a lot of cases, it's actually better to use an oil-extraction system than to rely on a drain plug. Most of the time, the plug isn't in the most-low place in the pan, meaning some oil is always left in the system. An oil extraction system is generally meant to be able to put the extractor tip in the lowest-possible point, so you're getting pretty much all of the oil out.

Most German cars are now designed to be operated this way, which is why the drain plug is irrelevant...they're almost always non-reusable now, so if you want to go that route you have to buy your own drain plug.

[charlesml3]

I feel like this way you can't get all the old oil out.

A lot of people think this but it actually isn't true. These evac systems use a flexible plastic hose that feeds right down to the bottom of the oil pan. It'll get just as much oil out as draining it from the bottom.

Just as an aside, most 4-stroke boats are changed this way. It's much easier than finding a way to gravity drain it out the bottom.

[xuandatou]

In a lot of cases, it's actually better to use an oil-extraction system than to rely on a drain plug. Most of the time, the plug isn't in the most-low place in the pan, meaning some oil is always left in the system. An oil extraction system is generally meant to be able to put the extractor tip in the lowest-possible point, so you're getting pretty much all of the oil out.

Most German cars are now designed to be operated this way, which is why the drain plug is irrelevant...they're almost always non-reusable now, so if you want to go that route you have to buy your own drain plug.

what he said !

[StevenStarke]

I let the dealer do it with the extractor today. So that's that

[EIAlfonso]

Just had mine done a couple days ago under Audi care and they suck it out from the top
The advisor told me there's a long cloth that runs the bottom of the pan that they need to remove ????
If they go through the drain plug

and this is the way Audi recommends

Never heard of this cloth


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[LeadToRome]

Also, it's a lot less likely the tech will cut through your belly pan if they extract the oil from the top.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...il-change-shop

[s4boost]

I'm going to have to get my friend's wife over here for my next oil change. I'm sure she would be a pro at sucking it out from the top.

[14S4GWM]

I'm going to have to get my friend's wife over here for my next oil change. I'm sure she would be a pro at sucking it out from the top.

Sounds like you know her well.

[wangshuo1989]

I'm going to have to get my friend's wife over here for my next oil change. I'm sure she would be a pro at sucking it out from the top.

I feel bad for your friend.

[purelife]

I brought mine in for oil change under Audi Care and that's what I saw in my dashcam footage. Oil was pumped out from the top.

[14S4GWM]

My dealer drains from the bottom on s and rs models.

[s4boost]

I feel bad for your friend.

I'm sure she'll shower after.

[shahk62]

Either way works fine. It's just quicker/easier for the dealer to suck the oil out than it is to lift the car, remove the plastic under tray and drain the oil.

Will

Okay then what about the filter? They have to take off the pan to get to that right? Unless they actually take that off from the top too


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[Motown_Dub]

Okay then what about the filter? They have to take off the pan to get to that right? Unless they actually take that off from the top too


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The filter is topside as well.

[SouthernBoy]

The two reasons, which are really one, that the dealer uses the evacuation method is, 1) it is much faster and, 2) they don't have to worry about a hot engine and hot engine oil.

I did my first oil change last year (I have a 2016 S4) and used the MytiVac unit. It worked great and got out as much oil as if I had drained from the bottom. Take a look at where the drain plug is and how it is situated in the pan and you won't want to do a gravity drain, either.

BTW, the dealership where I bought my S4 also does a top evacuation oil change.

[SouthernBoy]

Also, it's a lot less likely the tech will cut through your belly pan if they extract the oil from the top.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...il-change-shop

Yeah, I remember reading that thread. I would be royally pissed off if that happened to me.

[shahk62]

The filter is topside as well.

Ahhh. Good change up from the b7 then. :p


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[vwblackb5]

Do it like this guy .. similar thread on extractor learning loop/ non reuseable oil drain plug convo here http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...arnd-my-lesson

[xuandatou]

It's pretty common oil change method for Audi dealers today.

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[Arn560]

I do my oil changes using an evacuator also. Mercedes also do it the same way in their workshops.

[doug97gxe]

i'm going to have to get my friend's wife over here for my next oil change. I'm sure she would be a pro at sucking it out from the top.

sounds like you know her well.

i feel bad for your friend.

looooooooooooool

[BlownOne]

A lot of people think this but it actually isn't true. These evac systems use a flexible plastic hose that feeds right down to the bottom of the oil pan. It'll get just as much oil out as draining it from the bottom.

Just as an aside, most 4-stroke boats are changed this way. It's much easier than finding a way to gravity drain it out the bottom.

It does work well, but I prefer removing the undertray and draining it old school style. You are right, I have a oil vacuum for my ski because there's no other way to drain the oil lol.

Okay then what about the filter? They have to take off the pan to get to that right? Unless they actually take that off from the top too


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Filter is near the firewall on the driver side of the supercharger. They planned this shit hahaha

I do my oil changes using an evacuator also. Mercedes also do it the same way in their workshops.

+1. My Benz was the same way, but I still drained from the bottom. Seems like all the euro cars companies changed to this method

[Vogz]

I'm going to keep doing the conventional drain method. That way, I know this won't happen....

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...tor+tube+stuck

[hotleadsingergu]

It does work well, but I prefer removing the undertray and draining it old school style. You are right, I have a oil vacuum for my ski because there's no other way to drain the oil lol.


Filter is near the firewall on the driver side of the supercharger. They planned this shit hahaha


+1. My Benz was the same way, but I still drained from the bottom. Seems like all the euro cars companies changed to this method

I'm just curious...you say it works well, but you prefer draining from the bottom. Why? Is there an actual reason, or is it just because you like it more that way?

To me this is the same as the "I like Manual over DSG" argument...because it comes down to personal preference actually overriding efficiency. Oil Extractors, like a DSG, are far more efficient than the drain plug route, which is why manufacturers are moving more and more toward it. Extracting is much quicker, has a better chance of getting all of the oil, doesn't make a mess, doesn't require lifting the car, and doesn't care if the engine is hot or not.