Audi + Reliable =?

[kdaffy]

Yes!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...ands/80808192/

#1 spot on CR's list...

[dennisA4]

I like it.

[DangerBruno]

NICE! Can't wait to rub this in my old man's face. He drives a Kia!


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[dennisA4]

Consumer Reports doesn't know WTF they're talking about!









Except this time.

[AllroadCorbin]

Love it

[Darksol80]

I double checked the date to make sure it wasn't 4/1/16 already...

[ajhesan]

What's the score based on?

[Project Quattro]

What's the score based on?

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[doowopaudi]

BS article. See how many Audis can last beyond those other cars on the list. I love my audi, but it's only good for the first 90,000 miles, if that.

[bluetori]

NICE! Can't wait to rub this in my old man's face. He drives a Kia!


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What's wrong with Kia?

[name.goes.here]

Brilliant! Thanks for posting the link.

[dennisA4]

BS article. See how many Audis can last beyond those other cars on the list. I love my audi, but it's only good for the first 90,000 miles, if that.

Who knows how the scores were tallied but they were based on more than just reliability, more the whole package. The red circles in the pic below show reliability and Audi wasn't the best.
But Audi has been upping its game across the board, so although it is surprising to see them at the very top, it's not surprising to see them doing very well.

[name.goes.here]

Who knows how the scores were tallied but they were based on more than just reliability, more the whole package. The red circles in the pic below show reliability and Audi wasn't the best.
But Audi has been upping its game across the board, so although it is surprising to see them at the very top, it's not surprising to see them doing very well.

^^This. I think Audi made great strides in improving its reliability. After 90K, who knows, but a good predictor of future reliability is how the car performed in the previous 80K. My B8 Avant had no issues in the three years I owned it, and the only issue to be addressed on my A6 in the past year of ownership was a faulty antenna. I can't complain.

[ducati]

LOL the top two cars that had oil consumption issues only a few years earlier.

[doowopaudi]

Brilliant! Thanks for posting the link.

According to the table, audi is above average on reliability. I have to admit that the only non-oil consumption issues I've had, have been minor mechanical/electrical issues that deal with door latches (fuel door and drivers door). Other than that, my audi has been awesome, but i cant help but think most people here won't keep their Audis into the 100,000 mile mark as reliable as they claim to be.


Also, I can't believe Infiniti is below average in the reliability column. Those cars can last over 250,000 miles and will be the next brand I go with.

[name.goes.here]

According to the table, audi is above average on reliability. I have to admit that the only non-oil consumption issues I've had, have been minor mechanical/electrical issues that deal with door latches (fuel door and drivers door). Other than that, my audi has been awesome, but i cant help but think most people here won't keep their Audis into the 100,000 mile mark as reliable as they claim to be.


Also, I can't believe Infiniti is below average in the reliability column. Those cars can last over 250,000 miles and will be the next brand I go with.

Agreed on Infiniti. My wife is strongly considering one for when she trades in her MB; hopefully in the near future.

[dennisA4]

My wife's g37 coupe was a nice car but it ate through rotors at an ungodly pace.

[name.goes.here]

My wife's g37 coupe was a nice car but it ate through rotors at an ungodly pace.

My wife is interested in one of the Infinity small SUV-type things. I actually need to research its reliability, etc. but pricing doesn't seem too bad....

[dennisA4]

but pricing doesn't seem too bad....

It's not bad at all. My wife chose it over another Audi at the time because she got a lot more gizmos and stuff for less money.
Overall I liked it. But a lot of little things made me go WTF. Things that just seemed like common sense type of stuff.
Audi is so good at ergonomics, button placement, intuitive controls (except for rotary dials seeming to work backwards), etc.
And being used to Audi, the steering always felt soooo heavy to me, and Infiniti's drink gas with their V6's. Nice power though! No complaints there. ;)

[doowopaudi]

My wife is interested in one of the Infinity small SUV-type things. I actually need to research its reliability, etc. but pricing doesn't seem too bad....

Look into the 2nd generation FX 35 (2009-2012). Then the name changed to FX 37 in 2013. Then QX70 in 2014-present.

[name.goes.here]

Good feedback and advice, Dennis and Doowopaudi; thank you!

[doowopaudi]

Good feedback and advice, Dennis and Doowopaudi; thank you!

I've been doing research recently and thats what I'm going for, the FX series. All Infinitis come with stock 300+ hp, and a luxury interior. My gf has a 2008 g35 and its got better technology than our b8s. Also, she's never had an issue with her rotors,but even if that were an issue, I'd gladly trade a rotor problem for an engine problem if my car will last over 200k miles.

[19birel]

BS article. See how many Audis can last beyond those other cars on the list. I love my audi, but it's only good for the first 90,000 miles, if that.

Can't tell if serious? My Audi has 156K miles on it, and the only issues it has/had outside of normal wear and tear are directly related to the previous owner's negligence. There are plenty of Audis out there with well over 200k miles as well, the key with these cars is proper maintenance. Yes, things go wrong with Audis much like any other car, but the primary reason why Audi owners moan and groan a little bit more is because the parts are quite expensive.

[b6onboost]

In my opinion Audi's don't have long term reliability. They're great cars but they're going to cost you.

Once you get to the 100k mark, it seems like most of the OE parts are at end of life. My last Audi was perfect to around 75k. Had a few minor issues between 75-100k. But then in the 18 months from 100-125k it felt like every few months something else would break, begin to leak, make a noise, etc. Last 2 state inspections failed due to some new (legitimate) issue the shop found. Gets to a point where you're shelling out a few grand a year in repairs (shop prices) which could easily go towards buying a newer model. (Past BMW, VW, same thing...)

My family's Jeeps, Hondas, Infiniti, Lexus....they just kept on going with basic maintenance. When you can drive a car 150k with basically just oil changes/tires/brakes...that's reliable.

[doowopaudi]

Can't tell if serious? My Audi has 156K miles on it, and the only issues it has/had outside of normal wear and tear are directly related to the previous owner's negligence. There are plenty of Audis out there with well over 200k miles as well, the key with these cars is proper maintenance. Yes, things go wrong with Audis much like any other car, but the primary reason why Audi owners moan and groan a little bit more is because the parts are quite expensive.

Your B8 didn't suffer from oil consumption? Are you still on your stock timing tensioner? Maybe I'm just jaded after hearing all the doomsayers talk about the timing tensioner messing everything up. Honestly speaking, my Audi has ran as smooth as butter and continues to run as such after my engine rebuild, courtesy of AoA. Had they not granted the repairs, I would have put it up for sale. I truly want to believe my car can last another 100,000 miles, but I can't help but think that is wishful thinking. Im at 91,000 right now.

[19birel]

Your B8 didn't suffer from oil consumption? Are you still on your stock timing tensioner? Maybe I'm just jaded after hearing all the doomsayers talk about the timing tensioner messing everything up. Honestly speaking, my Audi has ran as smooth as butter and continues to run as such after my engine rebuild, courtesy of AoA. Had they not granted the repairs, I would have put it up for sale. I truly want to believe my car can last another 100,000 miles, but I can't help but think that is wishful thinking. Im at 91,000 right now.

I was referring to my B5 being at 156k miles. As for our family's B8, it did suffer from oil consumption, but that is covered by the factory warranty up until 75k miles and if your CPO you have even longer. It didn't cost us a penny and we were given a nice A6 for a week. I don't consider that to be a major issue if Audi takes car of it free of charge with zero hassle and as the issue was related to incorrectly sized piston rings, it has been corrected and should not re-occur. There are also a number of people on this B8 forum with over 100k. I understand how you may be wary after having to get the engine rebuild, but historically speaking Audis are pretty solid. You'll have to deal with more maintenance as the miles increase, that is the nature of a car with parts that have been wearing themselves out for that many miles, but keep up with maintenance and there should be no issue. Of course, every once in a while you end up with a complete dud of a car that should never have left the factory but I don't think a few outliers here and there are representative of an entire brand's reputation.

[AllroadCorbin]

I really disagree with the 90k and its done idea. I'm only 25 but I've seen a multitude of cars come and go in my family (either owned by myself of other members of my family) and I can safely say my Audi has been the most reliable of them all (currently at 96,000 miles). Even compared to all the Toyotas and Mazdas my gf and her family have had. I've had multiple Saabs and Mercedes and none of them has come close to being this trouble free. Nothing has ever actually failed on my car... any issues I've had has been directly related to the APR stage 2 software that I've been running. I forced AoA to replace my rear diff at 45k because it was making a very slight whining noise at a certain speed...they told me it was functioning normally and the noise was not actually a sign of something bad...nonetheless I made a big enough stink that they replaced it. I drive my cars hard....but I also maintain them very well. There isn't a single car that i've owned that could withstand the level of abuse my car has taken and still look, run and feel as solid. The car has been tuned for 50-55k miles and has withstood hard 400lb/ft lauches and shenanigans running E85. I'm pretty sure my Saabs and Mercedes would be in pieces at this point. I'm a B8.5 so maybe that helps haha but my car has never consumed oil either...

Another thing (and sorry for the rant) but it bugs me when people say something like a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Kia blah blah blah is so much more reliable than an Audi.... In my book that's bull. Less maintenance doesn't mean more reliable to me.... it means the car is much more simple. Of course a Camry with an NA 4 cylinder pushing 158 hp through a 5 speed transmission and 2 wheels will be easy to maintain....there's nothing complex about it. But the fact is, consumers of these "appliance" brand cars are not car geeks like us. They don't notice noises, they don't notice differences in the way a car runs or shifts, and even if they did, they really don't give a shit. My GF's 2014 Corolla (a model that is widely thought of as one of the most reliable cars built) drives like total crap. It rattles over bumps, it has vibrated on the highway since the day she bought it new, the CVT tranny sometimes slips, its uncomfortable, and has almost no amenities... The car drove like shit the day it was built and will drive like shit for the next 200,000 miles, and for 99% of Toyota owners (the fact that it starts and runs), qualifies it as reliable. So yea by 200k I will have spent more on maintenance than a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Infiniti or Lexus owner.... but the difference in the way my Audi will feel compared to those types of cars is night and day...and my 200k miles will have had drag strip launches, 80-100 cruising, stage 2 tuning, full throttle on ramp shenanigans, drives on the beach, and more donuts in snow covered parking lots than I can count.

[blbroo]

I really disagree with the 90k and its done idea. I'm only 25 but I've seen a multitude of cars come and go in my family (either owned by myself of other members of my family) and I can safely say my Audi has been the most reliable of them all (currently at 96,000 miles). Even compared to all the Toyotas and Mazdas my gf and her family have had. I've had multiple Saabs and Mercedes and none of them has come close to being this trouble free. Nothing has ever actually failed on my car... any issues I've had has been directly related to the APR stage 2 software that I've been running. I forced AoA to replace my rear diff at 45k because it was making a very slight whining noise at a certain speed...they told me it was functioning normally and the noise was not actually a sign of something bad...nonetheless I made a big enough stink that they replaced it. I drive my cars hard....but I also maintain them very well. There isn't a single car that i've owned that could withstand the level of abuse my car has taken and still look, run and feel as solid. The car has been tuned for 50-55k miles and has withstood hard 400lb/ft lauches and shenanigans running E85. I'm pretty sure my Saabs and Mercedes would be in pieces at this point. I'm a B8.5 so maybe that helps haha but my car has never consumed oil either...

Another thing (and sorry for the rant) but it bugs me when people say something like a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Kia blah blah blah is so much more reliable than an Audi.... In my book that's bull. Less maintenance doesn't mean more reliable to me.... it means the car is much more simple. Of course a Camry with an NA 4 cylinder pushing 158 hp through a 5 speed transmission and 2 wheels will be easy to maintain....there's nothing complex about it. But the fact is, consumers of these "appliance" brand cars are not car geeks like us. They don't notice noises, they don't notice differences in the way a car runs or shifts, and even if they did, they really don't give a shit. My GF's 2014 Corolla (a model that is widely thought of as one of the most reliable cars built) drives like total crap. It rattles over bumps, it has vibrated on the highway since the day she bought it new, the CVT tranny sometimes slips, its uncomfortable, and has almost no amenities... The car drove like shit the day it was built and will drive like shit for the next 200,000 miles, and for 99% of Toyota owners (the fact that it starts and runs), qualifies it as reliable. So yea by 200k I will have spent more on maintenance than a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Infiniti or Lexus owner.... but the difference in the way my Audi will feel compared to those types of cars is night and day...and my 200k miles will have had drag strip launches, 80-100 cruising, stage 2 tuning, full throttle on ramp shenanigans, drives on the beach, and more donuts in snow covered parking lots than I can count.

Well said!

I had a 2006 TL before this car and got it to 112,000 miles with only a couple of minor issues. My A4 is now at 99,500 and has been just as reliable, even after being pushed harder and modified more. I shelled out $1500 for a timing belt change on the Acura, which isn't much different than what is needed for the timing tensioner on the A4.

We had an Infiniti M35X until recently and it's maintenance schedule, and the dealer cost for it, was much higher than what the A4 is. I did the maintenance myself, so the dealer cost didn't hit me, but the 50,000 (i think) was going to be $2500. It had a great features, but wasn't engaging. G35/37s are nice cars and that motor is a beast, but the interior is no where near what Audi provides, in my opinion.


One thing I notice is that most Audi's I see around are new, compared to seeing lots of older model Japanese cars. I know people by Toyotas to have them for a long time, but where do all the old Audis go?

[name.goes.here]

but where do all the old Audis go?

wondered the same thing myself (and think they are bought at auction then later sold overseas), but actually do see the occasional B5, 6, 7 around as well as prior generation A6. And the ones that I do see, as best as I can tell, look to be in pretty decent shape.

[theSaint024]

One thing I notice is that most Audi's I see around are new, compared to seeing lots of older model Japanese cars. I know people by Toyotas to have them for a long time, but where do all the old Audis go?

I think that's the key indicator, that there aren't any old Audis because they have shorter lives. I don't think that conventional wisdom still applies however. Cars in general have become so much more reliable that it's not really fair to compare current models to 15-20 year old models anymore. My audi has been great and expect it to continue.

[bakedziti]

Well said!

I had a 2006 TL before this car and got it to 112,000 miles with only a couple of minor issues. My A4 is now at 99,500 and has been just as reliable, even after being pushed harder and modified more. I shelled out $1500 for a timing belt change on the Acura, which isn't much different than what is needed for the timing tensioner on the A4.

We had an Infiniti M35X until recently and it's maintenance schedule, and the dealer cost for it, was much higher than what the A4 is. I did the maintenance myself, so the dealer cost didn't hit me, but the 50,000 (i think) was going to be $2500. It had a great features, but wasn't engaging. G35/37s are nice cars and that motor is a beast, but the interior is no where near what Audi provides, in my opinion.


One thing I notice is that most Audi's I see around are new, compared to seeing lots of older model Japanese cars. I know people by Toyotas to have them for a long time, but where do all the old Audis go?

wondered the same thing myself (and think they are bought at auction then later sold overseas), but actually do see the occasional B5, 6, 7 around as well as prior generation A6. And the ones that I do see, as best as I can tell, look to be in pretty decent shape.

Think about the number of units Audi has sold in the US since being introduced into the market. Audi, like all other auto manufacturers, aren't without their share of problems throughout the years. I believe Audi's were first introduced to the US market in ~1970, but gained little traction initially. What traction was gained through the 70s was killed with the accelerator issues they had in the late 70s. I don't have exact figures, but the number of units sold in the US declined during this time. Coupled with the fact that the cars are quite a bit more expensive than those Asian competitors, many during the beginning of the fuel conscience era weren't looking to front the money for an Audi. The early 90s import levels on a unit basis were very low; which would likely make up the majority of the cars that I would suspect would fall into the beginning of that older category.

[dennisA4]

Another thing (and sorry for the rant) but it bugs me when people say something like a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Kia blah blah blah is so much more reliable than an Audi.... In my book that's bull. Less maintenance doesn't mean more reliable to me.... it means the car is much more simple. Of course a Camry with an NA 4 cylinder pushing 158 hp through a 5 speed transmission and 2 wheels will be easy to maintain....there's nothing complex about it. But the fact is, consumers of these "appliance" brand cars are not car geeks like us. They don't notice noises, they don't notice differences in the way a car runs or shifts, and even if they did, they really don't give a shit. My GF's 2014 Corolla (a model that is widely thought of as one of the most reliable cars built) drives like total crap. It rattles over bumps, it has vibrated on the highway since the day she bought it new, the CVT tranny sometimes slips, its uncomfortable, and has almost no amenities... The car drove like shit the day it was built and will drive like shit for the next 200,000 miles, and for 99% of Toyota owners (the fact that it starts and runs), qualifies it as reliable. So yea by 200k I will have spent more on maintenance than a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Infiniti or Lexus owner.... but the difference in the way my Audi will feel compared to those types of cars is night and day...and my 200k miles will have had drag strip launches, 80-100 cruising, stage 2 tuning, full throttle on ramp shenanigans, drives on the beach, and more donuts in snow covered parking lots than I can count.

Truth.


As to the older audis, I see B5's and B6's all the time around here.

[b6onboost]

Reliability means fewer things break and need to be repaired. Plain and simple. Its completely separate from drivability or fun.

I agree that the MOST reliable cars are the simple ones. The one's who still use a the same basic NA I4 or V6 motor from 10-15 years ago. There is nothing complex about it. All the kinks have been worked out and only small incremental improvements have been made. But a car doesn't have to drive like total crap to be reliable. Take a G37 for example. The VQ engine fits the description above. Very reliable. Still a nice, fun, car though. It won't have anywhere near the long term problems of an Audi/BMW, whom every few years completely change up their powertrains, go from NA to SC to turbo, add in Direct Injection, cylinder deactivation, electric steering racks, 8-9 speed autos, or DSGs, ect. The envelope pushing the Europeans do is ultimately their demise in terms of long term reliability.

Less maintenance doesn't mean more reliable to me.... it means the car is much more simple. Of course a Camry with an NA 4 cylinder pushing 158 hp through a 5 speed transmission and 2 wheels will be easy to maintain....there's nothing complex about it. But the fact is, consumers of these "appliance" brand cars are not car geeks like us. They don't notice noises, they don't notice differences in the way a car runs or shifts, and even if they did, they really don't give a shit. My GF's 2014 Corolla (a model that is widely thought of as one of the most reliable cars built) drives like total crap.

[doowopaudi]

You want a genuine consumer report?
http://www.edmunds.com/audi/a4/2010/...id=reviews-tab

These are just reviews for the 2010, my model year.


And here's one of the 2009 G37 infiniti for comparison.

https://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g37...crr-pod-anchor

[theSaint024]

The envelope pushing the Europeans do is ultimately their demise in terms of long term reliability.

+1
Everyone, including Corolla drivers benefit from European innovation. They will all eventually incorporate into their cars after they've been beta tested by us. That's a risk in buying Euro cars, they are always pushing forward so much. But like I said, I think the differences in reliability are getting smaller due to better design and tolerances. This is simplistic and there are many factors, but just a blanket statement I'm making. B9's quattros are being completely revamped for a relatively small savings in fuel economy. I'm sure this will lead to some problems out of the gate, but I don't doubt that the cars will still eventually be reliable.

Think about the number of units Audi has sold in the US since being introduced into the market. Audi, like all other auto manufacturers, aren't without their share of problems throughout the years. I believe Audi's were first introduced to the US market in ~1970, but gained little traction initially. What traction was gained through the 70s was killed with the accelerator issues they had in the late 70s. I don't have exact figures, but the number of units sold in the US declined during this time. Coupled with the fact that the cars are quite a bit more expensive than those Asian competitors, many during the beginning of the fuel conscience era weren't looking to front the money for an Audi. The early 90s import levels on a unit basis were very low; which would likely make up the majority of the cars that I would suspect would fall into the beginning of that older category.

Agree, raw sales numbers are the biggest reason we don't see as many older Audi's. I think SF is a pretty fanatical hotspot for Audi enthusiasts. I see them all the time, but that's anecdotal and I wouldn't say there are "lots" of them, or that it's a good representation of the country or world for that matter. I don't recall seeing many older than B6's either. Reputations take a long time to build, and Audi's won't have Toyota cred for awhile. I don't think it's rational given Toyotas have all kinds of issues now compared to before, but that's just how it is. But back to the original point, I don't see a lot of Lambo's on the road either. Yes, they are all probably broken, but mostly because there aren't as many Lambo's as Toyotas.

[theSaint024]

You want a genuine consumer report?
http://www.edmunds.com/audi/a4/2010/...id=reviews-tab

These are just reviews for the 2010, my model year.


And here's one of the 2009 G37 infiniti for comparison.

https://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g37...crr-pod-anchor

That's funny. Many of the initial reviews rip on oil consumption or other issues, but they still give 3+ star ratings. And the average rating is still 4.5 stars? Either there is a formula error at edmunds or people are really conflicted.

[doowopaudi]

That's funny. Many of the initial reviews rip on oil consumption or other issues, but they still give 3+ star ratings. And the average rating is still 4.5 stars? Either there is a formula error at edmunds or people are really conflicted.

Perhaps because most of the positive reviews were written within a year of purchase and doesn't speak much for long term reliability. The most recent reviews, however, all share one thing in common and their reliability reviews are all in the one star range.

[Cherub]

Majority of us "New" Audi owners are aware of the "close to 100k miles" issues that are to come with the car. Whether we gave the cars all the TLC possible to prolong the "Long reliability" that we'd love to get of these Audis or attended to it only when the dashboard lit up, it comes down to the way you treated the car. On the other hand, those purchasing "CPOs or Used" Audis with high hopes and/or expectations that only standard Maintenance will prolong its life, they are in for a rude awakening. We all know the requirements and costs of these cars when they begin to reach high mileage. These cars are reliable and can last a long time. Again I say, it comes down to the way the car was treated.

And come to think about it, these following factors come to play as well. What you want when the miles reach the 6 digits range, how well you maintained the car, your style of driving (Moded or Not) and preference to either be up to date or keep your beater. Regardless, some of these Audis will be around for some time and the rest will be replaced. Till then, enjoy your New Soon To Be Reliable Beater

[name.goes.here]

Majority of us "New" Audi owners are aware of the "close to 100k miles" issues that are to come with the car. Whether we gave the cars all the TLC possible to prolong the "Long reliability" that we'd love to get of these Audis or attended to it only when the dashboard lit up, it comes down to the way you treated the car. On the other hand, those purchasing "CPOs or Used" Audis with high hopes and/or expectations that only standard Maintenance will prolong its life, they are in for a rude awakening. We all know the requirements and costs of these cars when they begin to reach high mileage. These cars are reliable and can last a long time. Again I say, it comes down to the way the car was treated.

And come to think about it, these following factors come to play as well. What you want when the miles reach the 6 digits range, how well you maintained the car, your style of driving (Moded or Not) and preference to either be up to date or keep your beater. Regardless, some of these Audis will be around for some time and the rest will be replaced. Till then, enjoy your New Soon To Be Reliable Beater

All good points.

But to be fair, I think that for any manufacturer, whether foreign or domestic, the likelihood of repairs will increase after the 100K mark. I know people with Toyotas and Hondas who required more repairs with their cars than I had with Audi.

I average driving around 16-18K miles per year. At that rate, it would take me over 5 years to reach 100K. And, more than likely, in those 5 years - and at the rate that technology keeps advancing, will leave my car outdated and I will want to trade it in for a newer model. That and the fact that I will still want there to be some value to the car when I sell/trade it.

So, I guess part of the equation in calculating reliability past 100K is whether or not you even intend to keep the car to that mile mark and beyond.

[armys4]

I really disagree with the 90k and its done idea. I'm only 25 but I've seen a multitude of cars come and go in my family (either owned by myself of other members of my family) and I can safely say my Audi has been the most reliable of them all (currently at 96,000 miles). Even compared to all the Toyotas and Mazdas my gf and her family have had. I've had multiple Saabs and Mercedes and none of them has come close to being this trouble free. Nothing has ever actually failed on my car... any issues I've had has been directly related to the APR stage 2 software that I've been running. I forced AoA to replace my rear diff at 45k because it was making a very slight whining noise at a certain speed...they told me it was functioning normally and the noise was not actually a sign of something bad...nonetheless I made a big enough stink that they replaced it. I drive my cars hard....but I also maintain them very well. There isn't a single car that i've owned that could withstand the level of abuse my car has taken and still look, run and feel as solid. The car has been tuned for 50-55k miles and has withstood hard 400lb/ft lauches and shenanigans running E85. I'm pretty sure my Saabs and Mercedes would be in pieces at this point. I'm a B8.5 so maybe that helps haha but my car has never consumed oil either...

Another thing (and sorry for the rant) but it bugs me when people say something like a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Kia blah blah blah is so much more reliable than an Audi.... In my book that's bull. Less maintenance doesn't mean more reliable to me.... it means the car is much more simple. Of course a Camry with an NA 4 cylinder pushing 158 hp through a 5 speed transmission and 2 wheels will be easy to maintain....there's nothing complex about it. But the fact is, consumers of these "appliance" brand cars are not car geeks like us. They don't notice noises, they don't notice differences in the way a car runs or shifts, and even if they did, they really don't give a shit. My GF's 2014 Corolla (a model that is widely thought of as one of the most reliable cars built) drives like total crap. It rattles over bumps, it has vibrated on the highway since the day she bought it new, the CVT tranny sometimes slips, its uncomfortable, and has almost no amenities... The car drove like shit the day it was built and will drive like shit for the next 200,000 miles, and for 99% of Toyota owners (the fact that it starts and runs), qualifies it as reliable. So yea by 200k I will have spent more on maintenance than a Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Infiniti or Lexus owner.... but the difference in the way my Audi will feel compared to those types of cars is night and day...and my 200k miles will have had drag strip launches, 80-100 cruising, stage 2 tuning, full throttle on ramp shenanigans, drives on the beach, and more donuts in snow covered parking lots than I can count.

This is probably the best response on the page in terms of perspective and knowledge. My A4 is my second Audi, my first being a B5 S4 with about 400 at the wheels. Both have been consistently reliable and extremely well performing. I lived in Germany for two years, including 1 with my A4, and if you ask your everyday German consumer, they will tell you Audi is exceptionally reliable. The saying in Germany is actually "Vier ringe vierhundertthausand kilometer" as a testament to reliability. I had Hondas when i was younger, and while i will say the were very reliable, they were considerably looser in terms of build. What i mean by that is like comparing a stamped AK47 to a machined M16, the AK is very reliable but not nearly as precision made.