Sleeving a S4 4.2

[WCCoffey]

Are there any machine shops around that have experience sleeving the s4 4.2?

[jmcS4]

Are there any machine shops around that have experience sleeving the s4 4.2?

JHM is doing it out in CA. I know someone where i live that had a indy shop do it for him as well. it's possible but not a lot of info about it here thats been documented

[sandspeed]

Victory Precision Machine does it in Virginia, and JHM will not sleeve a motor for you. They don't offer it as a service yet and there's no telling if and when they will.

[WCCoffey]

Is JHM a machine shop? I assumed they just had a machine shop that they used for stuff like this. The equipment required to sleeve a motor is pretty expensive, if they had the equipment to do even just one, I guarantee they'd be advertising it like mad. That equipment won't pay for its self!

[S4orgy]

http://www.lasleeve.com/auto/re-sleeve-your-cylinder

[WCCoffey]

http://www.lasleeve.com/auto/re-sleeve-your-cylinder

You have any experience with them or are they something you found in a Google search?

[65vetteC6]

You have any experience with them or are they something you found in a Google search?

Lasleeve won't do it for you, they were doing it for JHM

[WCCoffey]

Lasleeve won't do it for you, they were doing it for JHM

Why wouldn't they?

[65vetteC6]

Why wouldn't they?

Well I would assume they have a contract with JHM, that would seem the most logical so JHM can protect themselves don't you think? That's like asking JHM to dump development money into a product and ask them for their source.

Darton sleeves won't do it either, and their machine shop won't touch these types of motors anymore because they are a pain in the ass with the proximity of the coolant passages.

[WCCoffey]

Well I would assume they have a contract with JHM, that would seem the most logical so JHM can protect themselves don't you think? Darton sleeves won't do it either, and their machine shop won't touch these types of motors anymore because they are a pain in the ass with the proximity of the coolant passages.

Generally the only reason a machine shop would do a "contract" like that is if the shop they do work for paid for the tooling in order to do work specific to that motor.

If I told the machine shops that I use that they couldn't work on any Ferrari motors except the ones I bring them they'd laugh at me, and I do tens of thousands of dollars of business with them.

[65vetteC6]

Generally the only reason a machine shop would do a "contract" like that is if the shop they do work for paid for the tooling in order to do work specific to that motor.

If I told the machine shops that I use that they couldn't work on any Ferrari motors except the ones I bring them they'd laugh at me, and I do tens of thousands of dollars of business with them.

Look man, you seem to have all the answers. All I know is LA Sleeve won't do it for you anymore, they will refer you to JHM because they are doing the R&D work. 2 yeas ago they would have, now they won't, maybe the S4 block is a different story but that's how the BNS is. Don't believe me, go email them. I was simply correcting information that was put in this thread.

[WCCoffey]

Look man, you seem to have all the answers. All I know is LA Sleeve won't do it for you anymore, they will refer you to JHM because they are doing the R&D work. 2 yeas ago they would have, now they won't. Don't believe me, go email them. I was simply correcting information that was put in this thread.

I don't have all answers if I did I wouldn't be asking.

If you actually know they won't do it that's one thing, if you just made the assumption that's another. It's impossible to tell the difference here unless you give atleast a small bit of explaination.

[S4orgy]

[S4orgy]

[Guitarmageddon]

Im someone can get their own sleeves installed from LA Sleeve, more power to them. It was only a matter of time before people figured out that there was a lot of intentional mystery placed on this whole process to secure an infinite line of certain customers, for a particular tuning shop....Its like people saying they only get name brand medications from their pharmacy to treat an illness, when generics work just fine.

[65vetteC6]

I'm not arguing that they don't sell them, but I don't think they will install them for you anymore. The installation is the most important part.




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[Guitarmageddon]

Im willing to bet JHM sees just how truly cost-prohibitive this engine is outside of basic bolt ons and quietly moves on towards the newer 3.0 soon enough.

[JimmyBones]

Im willing to bet JHM sees just how truly cost-prohibitive this engine is outside of basic bolt ons and quietly moves on towards the newer 3.0 soon enough.

I doubt it. They have been working on this for years and they are building RS4 engines too so I would expect them start taking B6/7 S4 built engine orders soon. I have been waiting patiently for a while for them to call me about a built lower end and it will happen.

[FulhamFTW]

I doubt it. They have been working on this for years and they are building RS4 engines too so I would expect them start taking B6/7 S4 built engine orders soon. I have been waiting patiently for a while for them to call me about a built lower end and it will happen.

So what is taking so long with it? Are they stockpiling motors so the turn around is quicker for customers?

[Peter1.8t]

So what is taking so long with it? Are they stockpiling motors so the turn around is quicker for customers?

Who knows, they've never really been transparent about what goes on behind the scenes. It's been in the works for years. I think there's a couple built motor 4.2's running around, would love to see more though.

[WCCoffey]

The idea of waiting years for a motor build is absurd. If they haven't done it by now, they aren't trying real hard and if anyone wants to have their motor built they should do it them selves, hire a different shop, or move to a different platform

[JimmyBones]

So what is taking so long with it? Are they stockpiling motors so the turn around is quicker for customers?

There are multiple issues with these blocks that they have had to solve those issues. It isn't as simple as just dropping rods/pistons/sleeves in. The last time that I asked about the built lower end, JHM told me that they are still working on streamlining the process to make this as quickly as possible and they are finding ways to keep the prices down.

[WCCoffey]

There are multiple issues with these blocks that they have had to solve those issues.

Like?

[FulhamFTW]

Like?

Agreed, I wish there was a little more transparency as far as what they are doing that's fixing supposed problems. Especially for the amount of money it has cost others to get this done.

[EUROSWAGR]

Some of you are asking JHM to be transparent about their R&D and potential trade secrets. What most of you don't understand is JHM will probably be lucky to break even on this engine build program they have been trying to set up for a few years. They've gone through multiple revisions of the built BHF.

The majority of the people who say, "why don't they explain what they are doing to the block" essentially want this information to go through someone local to undercut the price JHM is asking. In reality their goal has been to get the price down to an affordable level, also much cheaper than Audi originally charged, but you will receive a built motor that will hopefully hold anything you throw at it and it will have some type of warranty.

It's still laughable that people have the misconception that it's just a simple sleeve install by a machine shop. If it was this simple, where are all the built motors that these people think are so easy to assemble?

[S4orgy]

Some of you are asking JHM to be transparent about their R&D and potential trade secrets. What most of you don't understand is JHM will probably be lucky to break even on this engine build program they have been trying to set up for a few years. They've gone through multiple revisions of the built BHF.

The majority of the people who say, "why don't they explain what they are doing to the block" essentially want this information to go through someone local to undercut the price JHM is asking. In reality their goal has been to get the price down to an affordable level, also much cheaper than Audi originally charged, but you will receive a built motor that will hopefully hold anything you throw at it and it will have some type of warranty.

It's still laughable that people have the misconception that it's just a simple sleeve install by a machine shop. If it was this simple, where are all the built motors that these people think are so easy to assemble?

We live in a world where most people dont want to pay top dollar for a product, so you have to expect potential customers to do research to find a cheaper option. Jhm has been quiet for years on their built engine program along with the customers who have built motors already. Mtwallace doesn't even post anymore about his car. Makes me wonder if he encountered engine failure. Most of us are all fans of the jhm brand and the platform but im sure nobody likes waiting a decade to get updates on time slips, hp #s and hiccups along the way.

[EUROSWAGR]

We also drive cars that it's common for the cheapest option to be the worst.

Mtwallace rarely posted In the past, but I do know he just moved 2000 miles and took a new job so he may have a pretty busy life right now. Some people just don't really care about a forum following and he was also attacked on a personal level so maybe he doesn't give a shit about sharing info about his car. To speculate an engine failure as his reason for being quiet is the reason why JHM rarely posts anymore. Trolls and speculation aren't worth their time and the the guys who know where to get quality parts am that make these cars fast know who to call at this point in time.

Decades...come on now. The B6/7 platform is pretty lucky JHM even made one part for this car, you are somehow forgetting all the other amazing stuff they have done to make this platform faster and more reliable. Take a second and reflect on all the other things they have done. They also started out small and I'm pretty sure moved facilities and doubled or tripled in size in the last 5 years.

If people are serious and have the money to go built motor, they will. If they complain about pricing and timeline, then they likely don't have the cash or the patience. I was personally offered to get in on the original group of built engines when I pulled the motor to do valve stem seals, but the timeline wasn't concrete enough for me and I'm still not sure if I regret moving on.

[sandspeed]

We also drive cars that it's common for the cheapest option to be the worst.

Mtwallace rarely posted In the past, but I do know he just moved 2000 miles and took a new job so he may have a pretty busy life right now. Some people just don't really care about a forum following and he was also attacked on a personal level so maybe he doesn't give a shit about sharing info about his car. To speculate an engine failure as his reason for being quiet is the reason why JHM rarely posts anymore. Trolls and speculation aren't worth their time and the the guys who know where to get quality parts am that make these cars fast know who to call at this point in time.

Decades...come on now. The B6/7 platform is pretty lucky JHM even made one part for this car, you are somehow forgetting all the other amazing stuff they have done to make this platform faster and more reliable. Take a second and reflect on all the other things they have done. They also started out small and I'm pretty sure moved facilities and doubled or tripled in size in the last 5 years.

If people are serious and have the money to go built motor, they will. If they complain about pricing and timeline, then they likely don't have the cash or the patience. I was personally offered to get in on the original group of built engines when I pulled the motor to do valve stem seals, but the timeline wasn't concrete enough for me and I'm still not sure if I regret moving on.

Their facilities are decent, but basically just a four bay garage building and a separate office building. Nothing too crazy, and definitely not on the level of a shop like Redline Speed Werks in Jersey or APR or anything. But if they're outsourcing manufacturing, that's a moot point. I'd like to know what exactly constitutes a "built engine" from them. By that, I mean what would I be paying for? I don't think anyone needs extreme specifics, like measurements or anything, but just something detailing the improvements in a built motor from them vs. a stock motor. Is it just sleeved, with forged rods and pistons, built heads with supertech/ferrea valvetrain, or are we talking ported heads, a stroker, etc.? I'm not an engineer by any means, but I've rebuilt enough engines to know a bit. I'd also guess that you could trash a few blocks by boring them just to get measurements, or cut them open to figure out weak spots/coolant channels, etc. Or however they figure out max overbore... Then you build some engines and run the shit out of them till they pop, on the road and on engine dynos. Why would that take years? If they are working on something else that's more important to them, they should put that info out there. Keeping customers waiting for multiple years does more harm than good.

[WCCoffey]

This is getting way off topic.

I don't care about JHM or their built motors and that is not what this thread is about.

JHM is not a machine shop and they can't do what I was asking. JHM is definitely the premier shop for 4.2 S4's as far as everyone is concerned.

I have a shop that sleeves Gallardo motors for a buddy that does turbo builds. The motors are EXTREMELY similar, so I'll see if I can get the sleeves from LA and move on with my own machine shop. I just wanted to know if there were any shops that had experience with this as the cylinder walls suck on these cars with no mods.


I tried to call the other machine shop that was offered up and no answer.

Thanks for the help from mostly everyone. If anyone has any info on a shop that doesn't keep the sleeving process on this motor super top secret let me know. I am not interested in a "built" motor by anyone. Just looking for a machine shop to do the sleeving.

[FulhamFTW]

We also drive cars that it's common for the cheapest option to be the worst.

Mtwallace rarely posted In the past, but I do know he just moved 2000 miles and took a new job so he may have a pretty busy life right now. Some people just don't really care about a forum following and he was also attacked on a personal level so maybe he doesn't give a shit about sharing info about his car. To speculate an engine failure as his reason for being quiet is the reason why JHM rarely posts anymore. Trolls and speculation aren't worth their time and the the guys who know where to get quality parts am that make these cars fast know who to call at this point in time.

Decades...come on now. The B6/7 platform is pretty lucky JHM even made one part for this car, you are somehow forgetting all the other amazing stuff they have done to make this platform faster and more reliable. Take a second and reflect on all the other things they have done. They also started out small and I'm pretty sure moved facilities and doubled or tripled in size in the last 5 years.

If people are serious and have the money to go built motor, they will. If they complain about pricing and timeline, then they likely don't have the cash or the patience. I was personally offered to get in on the original group of built engines when I pulled the motor to do valve stem seals, but the timeline wasn't concrete enough for me and I'm still not sure if I regret moving on.

I definitely get what you're saying, and I agree, JHM has done easily the most for this platform. I wasn't attacking them for being secretive about it, I am just simply curious as to what the actual roadblocks were, strictly froma curiousity standpoint. It's nice know what they dealt with and why it's taken so long to get to the full on production stage. If anything, a little disclosure only strengthens their reputation with this platform. I didn't mean I wanted full disclosure on their process, I'm just curious about what the issues are.

[Guitarmageddon]

I stick to my original theory of keeping the b6/7 crowd on the hook long enough til the b8 projects become lucrative. Its not like tuners that specialize in old american cars where there is literally an infinite supply of engines, customers, and ease of machining. The engines left out there are literally dwindling away, and thats not even counting the enthusiast bunch that know enough to bring them to a place like JHM, which is probably holding on to 10% of the engines left. Add that rarity to a "secret" engine build program that costs 10,000 dollars or so, and you see just what kind of sense it makes. I predict that within the next 2 years we see a drastically different JHM. Hell, since turbos used to be their thing at one point maybe the 2017 s4's will be their next big thing.

JHM mafia please dont kill me.

[QIKRNU]

I stick to my original theory of keeping the b6/7 crowd on the hook long enough til the b8 projects become lucrative. Its not like tuners that specialize in old american cars where there is literally an infinite supply of engines, customers, and ease of machining. The engines left out there are literally dwindling away, and thats not even counting the enthusiast bunch that know enough to bring them to a place like JHM, which is probably holding on to 10% of the engines left. Add that rarity to a "secret" engine build program that costs 10,000 dollars or so, and you see just what kind of sense it makes. I predict that within the next 2 years we see a drastically different JHM. Hell, since turbos used to be their thing at one point maybe the 2017 s4's will be their next big thing.

JHM mafia please don't kill me.

Fixed that for you. The apostrophe, so maybe they they will give you mitigating circumstances.

[cruzzin]

Livernois Motorsports might be able to do it, just not sure if they have done any 4.2's.

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/...-shop-services

[hodrosS42001]

It's just not worth it

[greenStar]

what about going the very light hone and new ring route.

Someone should try this!

[JimmyBones]

what about going the very light hone and new ring route.

Someone should try this!

A normal cylinder hone will destroy the hard silican crystals on the cylinder walls. In theory it is possible for a machine shop to very lightly hone these blocks with special tools and a certain special paste but in practicality there isn't enough material to do that.

[mtwallace85]

We also drive cars that it's common for the cheapest option to be the worst.

Mtwallace rarely posted In the past, but I do know he just moved 2000 miles and took a new job so he may have a pretty busy life right now. Some people just don't really care about a forum following and he was also attacked on a personal level so maybe he doesn't give a shit about sharing info about his car. To speculate an engine failure as his reason for being quiet is the reason why JHM rarely posts anymore. Trolls and speculation aren't worth their time and the the guys who know where to get quality parts am that make these cars fast know who to call at this point in time.

Decades...come on now. The B6/7 platform is pretty lucky JHM even made one part for this car, you are somehow forgetting all the other amazing stuff they have done to make this platform faster and more reliable. Take a second and reflect on all the other things they have done. They also started out small and I'm pretty sure moved facilities and doubled or tripled in size in the last 5 years.

If people are serious and have the money to go built motor, they will. If they complain about pricing and timeline, then they likely don't have the cash or the patience. I was personally offered to get in on the original group of built engines when I pulled the motor to do valve stem seals, but the timeline wasn't concrete enough for me and I'm still not sure if I regret moving on.

Spot on EURO. I work a ton and have been avoiding posting because people will believe what they want and the trolling is strong on this site.

I've been daily driving my built engine for about 16 months now and haven't had a single problem. JHM and Kurt have also been amazing with their support whenever I have any questions.

I find it hilarious that S4orgy is speculating that I have a blown engine now because I like to avoid drama and his lame ass Instagram page. Spring time is around the corner gentlemen, looking forward to hitting the strip and sharing the results.

[hodrosS42001]

Spot on EURO. I work a ton and have been avoiding posting because people will believe what they want and the trolling is strong on this site.

I've been daily driving my built engine for about 16 months now and haven't had a single problem. JHM and Kurt have also been amazing with their support whenever I have any questions.

I find it hilarious that people are speculating that I have a blown engine now because I like to avoid drama. Spring time is around the corner gentlemen, looking forward to hitting the strip and sharing the results.


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How much did it cost? For the fully built engine.

[mtwallace85]

How much did it cost? For the fully built engine.

Built block - $10,560
Built heads - $3,500
Labor - ???


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[WCCoffey]

Will there ever be a thread on this forum that doesn't turn into "JHM against the World" or "JHM or nothing"?

I mean good for them as they have cornered the niche... But its annoying.