APR Stage 2 Quarter Mile: 11.0@124 MPH

[Arin@APR]

Using the upcoming APR 4.0 TFSI Cast Exhaust Downpipes and new APR Stage II ECU Upgrade, we set out to test the C7 S6 and C7 S7 in various configurations, ultimately resulting in two new and exciting records!



The S6 was outfitted with the APR Stage II ECU Upgrade, APR TCU Upgrade, APR Cast Downpipes, 93 octane fuel and all season tires on factory wheels at full vehicle weight. With a 1.733 60 foot time, the best result of the day was an [email protected] MPH. The heavier S7 was outfitted with the same mods, but ran with Sunoco GT260+ 104 Octane fuel and Michelin tires on APR Wheels, again at full vehicle weight. With a 1.678 60 FT time the best result of the day was an [email protected] MPH! The density altitude remained close to 0 feet all day according to dragtimes.com. For comparison sake, our best results with the factory equipped vehicle was [email protected] MPH and [email protected] MPH using only our Stage I ECU Upgrade, and 93 octane fuel.

Over the course of the day, we ran several times, backing the 11.3 pump fuel results. We frustratingly backed the 11.0 multiple times, mere hundreds away from our goal of a 10.9 on factory turbo. The video does not show the fastest runs as those were captured after the film crew left as they had prior Super Bowl Sunday obligations.

On the dyno, the Stage II ECU Upgrade, paired with the APR Cast Downpipes offers a substantial leap in power and torque, which contributes heavily to to the faster times at the track. Stay tuned for the official release and GO APR!

[markreed]

The frick!!!

Just take our money, already!!!

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[notn41]

price of downpipes?

[E55toS6???]

Didnt Unitronic run 11.3 with tune alone?

[Arin@APR]

Nope!

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price of downpipes?

I'll have full details at the launch.

[E55toS6???]

I mean 11.4

[Arin@APR]

Looks like they did. I'm also confident our time will be easily beaten by our customers. We ran on all season tires cutting a 1.733 60ft, with a half full tank in an effort to deliver the most realistic results we could muster for a customer coming off the street. :)

[E55toS6???]

When the results for the stage 3 s6 came out you huys said that it was just as fast as the RS7. With these downpipes why didnt yall try to make the S6 run just as fast as the S7?

[Arin@APR]

S7 was 104 octane on Michelin tires.
S6 was 93 octane on all season tires.

[E55toS6???]

I read that but would have been nice to see race gas results on the S6
Hopefully we get some videos of the fast runs

[TurtleHaste]

Nice runs. When the main tracks open, the customers will surely bring the times down. Will there be a stage 3 S6/S7 tune update like the stage 2 RS7?

[Sean@APR]

I read that but would have been nice to see race gas results on the S6
Hopefully we get some videos of the fast runs

The two cars (my s6 and Richard's s7) have been known to run against each other in Mexico while on the way to Taco Bell for lunch. It's neck and neck with the same fuel.

He won the race gas coin toss.

[Serpent]

How was the S6 with heat soaking? Were these times using launch control or not using launch control?

[Fast4DR S6]

Video has been posted several times from the WannaGoFast 1/2mile event last year with the NGP tuned APR RS7 and NGP Stage 3 S6 before DSG tune was out. Both cars were dead even hitting the 1/2mile marker at identical times. Arin I believe had posted on the APR site also. At the time S6 had the stock cooler setup. I would highly recommend installing the AMS cooling kit if you go with the Stage 3 setup on the S6/S7.

Based on our testing the recovery period and temps with the kit outperform the stock OEM RS7 cooler system. Heat soak is the biggest issue for power loss on the S6/S7 platform, so anyone going past Stage 1 should address this to maximize your overall performance. At the end of the day you have a 4DR rocket on pump gas over 600 HP/TQ that embarrasses most cars on the road yet maintaining OEM DD reliability. Keep up the good work APR!

[Fast4DR S6]

This is my personal opinion, but when you get to Stage 3 levels of power even on pump gas LC benefit is significantly diminished. Car simply has way to much power which just unsettles the car

How was the S6 with heat soaking? Were these times using launch control or not using launch control?

[Arin@APR]

How was the S6 with heat soaking? Were these times using launch control or not using launch control?

Heat soak on the road will be less than at the drag strip if you keep moving. When at the drag strip, the cars are parked for a while after the run, or wait in line, with little airflow over the radiator. If you're going for a good record, I'd suggest bringing some sort of fan to keep airflow over the radiator, and maybe even ice for the upper brick, but we had neither on these runs.

Launch control was used for all runs. IIRC we played around with 3000-3500 RPM launches.

[Chris Morales]

Arin, in 2013 you reported in the quarter mile thread that an S8 with "Stage 2" went 10.6@129. It was not clear what you meant by "Stage 2" then. Is this basically the same package used on that S8? High flow downpipes and more aggressive tuning (perhaps a 104 octane map, as opposed to a 100 octane map)?

[E55toS6???]

S8 uses similar turbos as the RS7,thats why it runs the times it does

[Chris Morales]

S8 uses similar turbos as the RS7,thats why it runs the times it does

Thanks, but I happen to own an S8 with APR software and well know that. I know why S8s are faster than 7s and 6s too. I'm waiting specifically for Arin's answer. The 10.6 they ran in an S8 is much quicker than the 10.9 that they and I have run on their 100 octane software for the S8. This will shed light on potential RS7 gains as well. High flow downpipes were mentioned as a mod for that 10.6 S8.

By the way, I thought I saw that the Unitronic 11.3 was in an S6 using RS7 turbos.

[lnferno]

Video has been posted several times from the WannaGoFast 1/2mile event last year with the NGP tuned APR RS7 and NGP Stage 3 S6 before DSG tune was out. Both cars were dead even hitting the 1/2mile marker at identical times. Arin I believe had posted on the APR site also. At the time S6 had the stock cooler setup. I would highly recommend installing the AMS cooling kit if you go with the Stage 3 setup on the S6/S7.

I haven't seen that vid - mind posting the link?

[HeelBuff]

A fully pimped out, loaded S8 running a 10.6 quarter mile would be among the coolest cars on the road. It would just crush the hearts of countless Z06/Porsche/Ferrari/CTS-V fanboys. Slap a Bernie Sanders sticker on it for the ultimate middle finger.

[playwithonehand]

Video has been posted several times from the WannaGoFast 1/2mile event last year with the NGP tuned APR RS7 and NGP Stage 3 S6 before DSG tune was out. Both cars were dead even hitting the 1/2mile marker at identical times. Arin I believe had posted on the APR site also. At the time S6 had the stock cooler setup. I would highly recommend installing the AMS cooling kit if you go with the Stage 3 setup on the S6/S7.

Can you please answer this?

In the 1/4 mile video that was posted though it looks like the Vinnie's RS7 was pulling you all the way to the finish line? Or did it just seem that way because he had a quicker reaction time?

Can you post the timeslips for both cars on that run? It would be great to see that data since it represents a great comparison: two different cars at the same track in the same DA/weather.

Also most importantly what octane were both cars running?

Most people are having hard time believe Stage 3 S as fast as stage 1 RS

Thank you

[kiku]

That run was stage 1 only (both cars).

Stage 3 S6 hasn't been run against a stage 1 RS7.

[kouzman]

I have not seen a stage 3 running even close to a stage 1 rs7.

Please show me when stage 3 s6 or s7 s have trapped more than 130 mph or in the mid 10s... they are definitely very fast but not rs fast...

The way I see it is that stage 3 s cars are still running 5-7mpg less traps than the rs cars... unless timeslips and or videos prove otherwise...

Stage 2 rs cars if indeed they gain 30-50 awhp with downpipes and intake will be very hard to beat since they should be trapping well into the 130s... maybe closer to 135mph now...

I will do some testing with the intake and I will decide on the downpipes as soon as we have more data to evaluate... I will definitely not be the first to test the APR downpipes but I am one of those who will seriously consider them...

[Fast4DR S6]

Stage 3 car on pump gas can trap 130mph easily, on race fuel well over 130mph. Stage 1 RS7 and Stage 3 S6 (still on OEM cooling and no DSG tune) was dead even head to head at over 4000ft in the 1/2 mile trapping over 150mph.

[Chris Morales]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgp1iC4bF2U

I don't understand the result. It was an a-whooping that I thought the product was specifically intended to avoid. Same turbos, essentially same weight. Different fuel? Is the tune on the S6 running much lower boost (don't know why it would be)? Not exactly huge motivation to spend that chunk of money on a turbo swap that is supposed to even the playing field.

[Fast4DR S6]

Enjoy!

Stage 1 RS7 vs Stage 3 S6(still on OEM cooling with no DGS tune)
https://youtu.be/XJp0b4rJMTs


Based on what we have seen since the cooling and DSG tune currently on the car, Stage 3 S6 would of been faster)
Will be testing RS7 and Stage 3 S6 on a 1 mile WOT test in the near future....that will be fun. Much more real world then 1/4 times with these cars.

I haven't seen that vid - mind posting the link?

[Chris Morales]

Higher compression in the S6's 4.0T probably limits boost levels. The stated power numbers are lower than the tuned RS7 numbers.

[playwithonehand]

That run was stage 1 only (both cars).

Stage 3 S6 hasn't been run against a stage 1 RS7.

Hi Vinnie

Can you confirm in the video below the RS7 on the left is your car and both car is running stage1?

If so why NGP describe as: NGP Stage 3 S6 Converted to RS spec Turbos

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgp1iC4bF2U

[Fast4DR S6]

Like Vinnie stated, that video was when both cars were Stage 1. So it should of been an a-whooping.

L

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgp1iC4bF2U

I don't understand the result. It was an a-whooping that I thought the product was specifically intended to avoid. Same turbos, essentially same weight. Different fuel? Is the tune on the S6 running much lower boost (don't know why it would be)? Not exactly huge motivation to spend that chunk of money on a turbo swap that is supposed to even the playing field.

[Fast4DR S6]

Obviously the wrong video is attached to the text. Look at the 1/2 mile run for a better comparison

Hi Vinnie

Can you confirm in the video below the RS7 on the left is your car and both car is running stage1?

If so why NGP describe as: NGP Stage 3 S6 Converted to RS spec Turbos

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgp1iC4bF2U

[playwithonehand]

Stage 3 car on pump gas can trap 130mph easily, on race fuel well over 130mph. Stage 1 RS7 and Stage 3 S6 (still on OEM cooling and no DSG tune) was dead even head to head at over 4000ft in the 1/2 mile trapping over 150mph.

This is really exciting news as I am doing the RS turbo soon however at this stage the only stage 3 who posted a 1/4mile slip is fairbird and he did 11.043 with 126.52 however in high altitude 2100ft.

Is there any possibility you share your 1/4mile slip as no one has got into 130mph with pump before?

Thanks mate

[E55toS6???]

Does anyone (not a shop car) have a S6 or S7 running sub 11 seconds with a time slip to prove it?
Can be any stage

[E55toS6???]

Thanks, but I happen to own an S8 with APR software and well know that. I know why S8s are faster than 7s and 6s too. I'm waiting specifically for Arin's answer. The 10.6 they ran in an S8 is much quicker than the 10.9 that they and I have run on their 100 octane software for the S8. This will shed light on potential RS7 gains as well. High flow downpipes were mentioned as a mod for that 10.6 S8.

By the way, I thought I saw that the Unitronic 11.3 was in an S6 using RS7 turbos.

What mods are on your S8?

[E55toS6???]

Enjoy!

Stage 1 RS7 vs Stage 3 S6(still on OEM cooling with no DGS tune)
https://youtu.be/XJp0b4rJMTs


Based on what we have seen since the cooling and DSG tune currently on the car, Stage 3 S6 would of been faster)
Will be testing RS7 and Stage 3 S6 on a 1 mile WOT test in the near future....that will be fun. Much more real world then 1/4 times with these cars.

Just for clarity your car and a RS7 using these APR downpipes should make around the same power?
You should make even a little more at same boost level seeing as you have slightly higher compression

[Fast4DR S6]

Incorrect. Was referring to tuned RS7 (still OEM downpipes). Have no idea what an RS7 with APR downpipes will produce, but it should be more since they are the same as the restrictive pipes found S6/S7 from factory.

Just for clarity your car and a RS7 using these APR downpipes should make around the same power?
You should make even a little more at same boost level seeing as you have slightly higher compression

[BlueSVT]

Damn... that 104 is really ready to party.

[Arin@APR]

Arin, in 2013 you reported in the quarter mile thread that an S8 with "Stage 2" went 10.6@129. It was not clear what you meant by "Stage 2" then. Is this basically the same package used on that S8? High flow downpipes and more aggressive tuning (perhaps a 104 octane map, as opposed to a 100 octane map)?

I don't remember the octane, but we had high flow downpipes at the time. We've significantly improved upon the design, and tune, since then. Details are dropping soon.

[Chris Morales]

Ah ha. Fascinating. To gain 3 tenths in the 10s with a rudimentary design is exciting. I definitely want your stuff. It seems a good chunk of the race gas gain is from running a 104 octane tune instead of the 100 octane we are used to. Guess we'll find out soon.

E55, I have a 2013 S8 with APR software and aftermarket air filters. Ran a [email protected] on the 100 octane map. Sure would like to run 10.60s.

[Chris Morales]

Obviously the wrong video is attached to the text. Look at the 1/2 mile run for a better comparison

That is a monumental marketing fail. The text description of the video on YouTube talks about the upgraded turbos on the S6 and what is done to the RS7 "along side." Pretty specific for something that does not at all match the description. And NGP's webpage for the stage 3 upgrade embeds only this video. Really makes the supposed upgrade look weak. In reality there really is little or no documentation of quarter mile performance or benchmarking with an RS7. The half mile video shows only some far away glimpses where the cars are not aligned and then the mph boards.