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    B7 PINCH BOLT REMOVAL No Torch and keep your control arms - EZ

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    My drivers' side pinch bolt was frozen (The head was turning when I put a breaker to it, but the threaded end protruding the other side of the spindle wasn't...Fucking thing was seized in there hard) so I recently scheduled an appointment for the local Audi dealership to unseize it. I usually don't go to shops because of bad experiences and I was reminded again. I was under time restraints and didn't feel like doing the work this time. Spoke to the service manager and was told they had the special vag tool when I asked - first it was not, then it was a yes...they lie. Their twenty old techs with no talent couldn't get the bolt out. I was told by the service rep that it would be $950 to get the bolt out past the original attempt that had already cost $140 WTF???....and to add insult to injury that 950 was if everything went alright...meaning that I didn't have to get new control arms or any other part that might be damaged beyond the $950 "everything alright" job. I stopped him there and didn't need to hear more of his bullshitt. They basically repeated what I had told them and I payed them to do it. The head of the bolt turns but the opposite end doesn't....fucking tell me something I don't fucking know dipshitt. Not only does the Audi dealership make money off their exorbitant service and parts prices, but they also do off their technicians' ineptitude...majority of them I've seen are all skinny ass kids outta tech school.

    I stated to the service manager rather than a question, would he pay $950 to drill out a pinch bolt and left $140 short. Fuck your car wash, gutless assholes.

    Let's get to it. I read something like this on a Volkswagen forum and put my own spin on it. As always there's different ways to skin a cat, but pay attention to the key point and you should be good.

    You're gonna to need a your basic wrenches, hack saw, hammer and some hardware from your local hardware store. Nothing out of the ordinary, no torch, impact hammer or wrench or anything like that. May help to have some PB blaster...to be honest I don't know if it helps as much as everyone swears. Not on this pinch bolt anyway. You MAY need a drill and a titanium drill bit 5/16", more on that. You will have to get another pinch bolt and nut from Audi. They are difficult to find, but you may get something similar. The pinch bolt and nut are galvanized steel and I couldn't find the 4.5" (I believe) pinch bolt from Lowe's. So it was an extra $9 I payed to the fuckn dealership. Albeit, they're a bit better quality.


    You'll get the hint what to do just by looking at the pictures I provided. The hardest part is hacking the ends of the bolt(threaded side) as you pull it out so you can make room for the bolt to be removed for the next set of turns. Everything is self explanatory so it should make sense - its that easy.



    Go ahead and release your anger young jedi. Break the head off the pinch bolt. Most likely it will break at the same point as mine; the seizing happens between the control arms. At this point I am going to undo the nut and place a slightly larger nut with a larger inner diameter underneath. I forget which, but just make sure it's larger than 3/8". Then I re-threaded the original proper nut and started torquing - it should start to pull at this point. If it starts to strip then this is where you're going to have to attack a different strategy and start drilling - more difficult because you have to keep the bit straight without much of a visual and prevent from drilling into the spindle.



    BE MINDFUL OF HOW MUCH YOU pull out each time. This is the IMPORTANT part of the process. Remember, you need to keep just enough room between the spindle and the bolt to allow for the nut to be un-threaded after each set of torquing. There will be a total of THREE times necessary to finish this process. The way the spindle is formed towards the tie-rod will limit the length you can pull out the bolt and remove nut each time. So don't fuck yourself over here were you can't remove the nut off the bolt end! You'll notice in the picture below that I've lightly hammered a few washers in the pinch gap for support. This is necessary to prevent the pinch from breaking. The picture also is a little out of sequence and shows the "spacer" nut that I am using and the end of the bolt has already been initially sawed off. Also, notice where the tech tried to hammer the spindle. Those weren't there before...professional work!


    Here's a shot where I saw. You want a happy middle ground that will allow an adequate amount of thread for the torquing nut and room that'll allow you to remove the nut for the next saw down.



    It will help to have measure your progress and if in fact that you are moving the bolt.


    A point will come where the pinch bolt shaft that you are trying to remove will just start spinning along with your torquing and spacer nut. THIS IS A GOOD THING. At that point you will be able to tap the other end with another 3/8" bolt (or a punch or similar) and hammer out as far as possible. Don't worry there's more.



    This is where you'll be making your third and final saw cut. You DON'T want to make it at the point where you'll be cutting into your spindle.
    Not here, but....

    ...here


    And you can be impatient and stop sawing three quarters of the way and just hammer the end off and pull with fingers


    Here are the sections of the pinch bolt removed against a new one from Audi. It's a 3/8" galvanized steel and I believe it's 4.5", definitely not 5". Notice the size of the cuts on the threaded end and how many times.



    If all else fails you may need these. If you've followed the procedure above it should still be easier since partials of the bolt have been removed.


    DO NOT USE ANTI-SEIZE! It was just last winter when the pinch bolt was removed without problem and I had thought that road salt and winter weather had every part in seizing this thing. Here's a revelation, I had used a good amount of anti-seize to prevent the very thing that I had unknowingly caused. There was no corrosion what-so-ever. The anti-seize over a year had become the equivalent of lock-tite in between the spindle and the pinch bolt surfaces! It was so solid that even a breaker bar and impact wrench couldn't get it to turn loose. It had lost all of it's aqueous or viscous properties and became a chalky lock-tite! This stuff has its evil side and I always had a feeling about this when my impact wrenches had to labor so hard to get bolts that I knew for sure I used anti-seize on. This isn't an exaggeration about the characteristics of the stuff; at the most it should be used VERY lightly on just the threads. Just a wipe of the stuff, not even a tiny dollop do I recommend on any thread or bolt. If you know you are going to revisit the bolt sometime in the future and feel like you need it, use it extremely lightly. Anti-seize was the cause of all this; it has no place on a pinch bolt except extremely lightly on the tip of the thread so the nut can run over it. You'd be better off using a weatherproof, high-temp grease on the shank of the pinch bolt. If you swear by anti-seize than more power to ya.


    Hope this helps someone out there and good luck wrenching!

    Edit
    After reading my post again I realize that some pinch bolts may break free sooner. Some may ask why I didn't just cut the extracting thread as it pulled as opposed to removing the nut every time. The answer is that you don't want to risk running out of thread. The pinch bolts only threaded a little over a quarter of the way. Hope this makes sense!
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    Great job on the write-up.

    I feel like I am the only fortunate person on here to never have any issues with their pinch bolts! Mine have always easily slid in and out

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    Traditionally I spray some wurth film on the pinch bolt when I reinstall them, I always replace the bolt also. I do the same on audi's with the eccentric bolts from the rear upper control arm into rear the spindle. I've seen way to many of them locked up solid inside the bushing.
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    Good the hear you got it done yourself.

    On b5's, I use stainless bolts. May want to consider it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline380 View Post
    Good the hear you got it done yourself.

    On b5's, I use stainless bolts. May want to consider it.

    http://www.audiforums.com/forum/b5-m...ce-all-175929/
    Stainless bolts are a great idea for that spot. Very rarely have I had to cut or drill the pinch bolt out, I have a long chisel bit for my air chisel that I resized just for removing stuck pinch bolts.
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    I guess this is only a diy for bolts that are still difficult to remove, but once you get them spinning you can hammer them out at the other end. Ive dealt with bolts that would not be able to be hammered out from the head side; it is possible to to bend the bolt far behind the knuckle and keep twisting on those threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audibot View Post
    Great job on the write-up.

    I feel like I am the only fortunate person on here to never have any issues with their pinch bolts! Mine have always easily slid in and out
    Thanks Audibot, keep up the streak!

    Quote Originally Posted by redline380 View Post
    Good the hear you got it done yourself.
    On b5's, I use stainless bolts. May want to consider it.
    Definitely will now. Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Denio24 View Post
    I guess this is only a diy for bolts that are still difficult to remove, but once you get them spinning you can hammer them out at the other end. Ive dealt with bolts that would not be able to be hammered out from the head side; it is possible to to bend the bolt far behind the knuckle and keep twisting on those threads
    Of course it is. What would be the necessity of a DIY for an easy to remove pinch bolt?? You won't be able to bend a seized B7 pinch bolt around any part of the spindle. Why would I even gamble knowing how easily the pinch bolt shears and breaks...That's called a hack.

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    Never had a problem with anti-seize. I used it on the pinch bolts and the eccentric bolts on the rear of both B5's and this B7.
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    The bolt had no oxidation as in the picture; it was all anti-seize. I definitely used too much and not doing it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline380 View Post
    Good the hear you got it done yourself.

    On b5's, I use stainless bolts. May want to consider it.

    http://www.audiforums.com/forum/b5-m...ce-all-175929/
    Good post!

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    i'd probably be messing with a pry bar, map gas torch and vice grips

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krmass25 View Post
    i'd probably be messing with a pry bar, map gas torch and vice grips
    You want to be careful with torching, this is an aluminum spindle.
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    Bringing up this thread again. I tried this today but clearly cut at the wrong spot. I wrenched down the nut onto my guide nut and then cut off the threaded ends essentially leaving roughly half the bolt shaft in the spindle. I tried to hammer it out but it won't budge with a 2.5 lbs hammer and punch. I have soaked it in pb blaster and spent all day trying to get it to move....no luck. I tried MAP gas (I have new hardware and control arms so don't care about damaging anything other than the spindles of course) but I'm not exactly sure how risky that is or how long I should heat the spindles. My local shop says he heats up the bolts to remove them..at this point I'm about ready to just pay the shop to remove the bolts and then carry on from there myself.

    I could drill it out but I'm worried that may go sideways.

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    You don't want to heat aluminum alloy. It degrades the strength.

    I was in you spot on a B5 years ago. I ended up going to the junk yard to buy a new spindle.
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    I have a few ideas I want to try before giving up. Please let me know if there is anything in this list i shouldn't try

    1. "Drill" out the piece with a hammer drill. IE drill and hammer it out at the same time. I assume I need a titanium bit? Has anyone tried a auger bit instead of a regular bit?
    2. Use a chisel to try to get it to start spinning by using the chisel on the protruding piece of bolt. I figure if I can break it loose I can probably push or pull it out
    3. Air hammer (I don't have one of these but to change control arms is around 1k so spending a few hundred on this equipment would still save costs).

    In order I'll try 2, 1, 3 then 4 is take it to the shop.

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    The one issue I noticed that the OP did was use a breaker bar. No need and why a bolt will break. Just use a 3/8th size drive and 16mm socket on the head and a 16mm wrench on the nut. Once the nut comes off you can keep turning the head while pushing the rear side through the hole, either with a small chisel or even a pen. I have a cordless impact drill and only used that while gently and slowly moving the drill backwards, backing the bolt out. It was very simple and I am in the northeast where my audi has a ton of rust, and why I originally changed my suspension as the springs rusted through and one broke in half.

    So if you are gentle this bolt is simple to remove. Breaker bar will break the head off, this removal is about touch, not strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skrelnik View Post
    So if you are gentle this bolt is simple to remove. Breaker bar will break the head off, this removal is about touch, not strength.
    I used to think that. On my 96 A4 my pinch bolt came right out. I thought I was a lot smarter than the guys who had a big fight with theirs. Then on my 99 A4 that damn thing was frozen solid. Just corroded in place, no "turning the head while pushing the rear side through the hole". I finally had to go to the junkyard to get a new spindle. The 3 A4's I've had since then? First thing I do now is put anti-seize on that pinch bolt.

    But trust me, the fact that you did one and it went well does not mean you have any magic formula. I thought that myself years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroxel View Post
    First thing I do now is put anti-seize on that pinch bolt.

    But trust me, the fact that you did one and it went well does not mean you have any magic formula. I thought that myself years ago.

    Sure it does--you put anti-seize on it. First time I did mine, I knew it was going to be a trouble spot and threw anti-seize on it (lesson learned from previous cars I've owned). Never looked back, and never understood why others were against it.
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    Ughh. I’m doing a coilover install on my b7 and ran into this, kind of. I’ve dealt with plenty of these nightmares before and used all methods under the sun both with the aluminum and steel/iron bearing carriers/spindle but I’ve never had one that will turn completely and still not come out. It feels like it’s going to snap, I turn it back the other way, still both sides turning. In fact I’m really surprised it hasn’t snapped yet, it has to have weakened it at least a little. The rest of the install has gone off so perfectly, now I’m in limbo because of this friggen bolt bastid!

    It doesn’t look corroded or rusted at all, the part that has come out of the spindle looks new. I can only speculate that the thread of the bolt galled and/or somehow removed some of the aluminum from the spindle and that is lodged in the threads. Trying to figure out what to do next. Hopefully it just comes out without the need to drill it or get a new spindle.

    Edit: it occurred to me(thick head what can I say) that perhaps this bolt is bent?? I just can’t seem to figure out why this bolt won’t budge past about 3/8” out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alloutofdonuts View Post
    Ughh. I’m doing a coilover install on my b7 and ran into this, kind of. I’ve dealt with plenty of these nightmares before and used all methods under the sun both with the aluminum and steel/iron bearing carriers/spindle but I’ve never had one that will turn completely and still not come out. It feels like it’s going to snap, I turn it back the other way, still both sides turning. In fact I’m really surprised it hasn’t snapped yet, it has to have weakened it at least a little. The rest of the install has gone off so perfectly, now I’m in limbo because of this friggen bolt bastid!

    It doesn’t look corroded or rusted at all, the part that has come out of the spindle looks new. I can only speculate that the thread of the bolt galled and/or somehow removed some of the aluminum from the spindle and that is lodged in the threads. Trying to figure out what to do next. Hopefully it just comes out without the need to drill it or get a new spindle.

    Edit: it occurred to me(thick head what can I say) that perhaps this bolt is bent?? I just can’t seem to figure out why this bolt won’t budge past about 3/8” out.
    It gets so coroded in there, that the threads are probably grabbing as your trying to remove. When I did mine(they were bad) I snapped the head off, and used the nut and washer method, till I ran out of threads(bout half way). Then I heated slightly(maybe 30 seconds) and beat it out with air jammer and ecs drift tool. Worked great.

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