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    APR Presents the A4 & Allroad Front Mount Intercooler System!

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    The APR Intercooler System is a massive front mounted upgrade that dramatically reduces intake air temperature (IAT), minimizes heat soak, and provides increased performance! The system is an easy to install, direct bolt-on design, that is recommended at every stage of performance.






    Quick Facts:
    • Dramatically lowers intake air temp (IAT)
      Increases horsepower while minimizing power-robbing heat soak!
      17 horsepower gain over the factory system!

    • Massive frontal surface area and core volume
      2.50" x 5.50" x 26.00" - 13.75 in² frontal & 357.0 in³ volume - OEM
      2.25" x 16.2" x 22.00" - 36.45 in² frontal & 801.9 in³ volume - APR

    • Highly effective core design
      Bar-and-plate core with staggered and louvered fins.
      Rigorous testing determined core style, fin density, and size.
      Low pressure drop + highly effective cooling=high performance!

    • Smooth cast end tanks
      Engineered for low turbulence/restriction and maximum flow.
      Organically shaped to promote airflow across entire core.
      Pressure tested to prevent power robbing boost leaks.

    • Easy to install
      With the bumper removed, install takes minutes!
      No trimming or drilling necessary!
      Full directions and APR world-renowned customer support included

    • Designed by engineers with lasers
      With the best equipment and smartest engineers, it just works!


    Design

    Unfortunately, to the untrained eye, many intercooler designs appear the same. However, effectiveness of the system and overall performance are greatly determined by several key metrics. Alloy selection, end tank design, construction type, fin style, fin density and overall core dimensions must be analyzed and balanced accordingly to deliver class-leading performance. While the OEM's goal is to create a lightweight, easy to manufacture and inexpensive to produce, cross-platform design capable of supporting factory power levels, APR's intercooler must be capable of supporting more than double the factory output. Achieving this goal took a multi-step approach focused around intercooler core selection, end tank design and install location.

    Intercooler Core Design


    The APR Intercooler core is a large bar-and-plate design featuring densely packed staggered and louvered fins. This design offers exceptional cooling while balancing pressure loss across the core, and maintaining critical airflow to the components behind the intercooler system. The core size was appropriately matched to the platform, minimizing pressure drop while leaving adequate space for appropriately designed end tanks. To APR's mechanical engineering experts, the design represented the ultimate in performance, far exceeding the capabilities of the factory intercooler. To the driver, the result is simple: Repeatable performance, even in the most demanding of situations!

    Core Style / Internal Fin Structure:

    APR's Engineers paid close attention to the balance between core effectiveness and pressure drop through the core, core style and fin density. With fin density too low, pressure drop decreases dramatically, but typically results in a core incapable of effectively cooling. Likewise, with fin density too great, pressure drop increases dramatically, resulting in the turbocharger working harder, and hotter, to produce the same level of airflow. By fine tuning this often unseen balancing act, as illustrated below, APR's Engineers were able to maximize performance.



    Internal Fin Structure



    Core Size:

    APR's Engineers also paid close attention to the balancing act between core effectiveness, pressure drop and space for end tanks through core sizing. With the core too small, pressure drop decreases dramatically, but typically results in a core incapable of effectively cooling. Likewise, with core size too great, pressure drop can increase, resulting in the turbocharger working harder. However, more importantly, with no space for appropriate end tanks, utilization of the core and overall effectiveness of the system diminishes rapidly, negating the benefit of the larger core. APR's engineers were able to balance each of these characteristics to deliver maximum performance.



    The APR system increases frontal surface area by 165.09% and has a 124.31% larger core!

    Intercooler End Tank Design



    To fully utilize the massive core, APR's mechanical engineers designed cast aluminum end tanks organically shaped for proper airflow distribution across the entire core. By correctly sizing the intercooler core, end tank design was not sacrificed. The one-piece end tanks are CNC machined to provide a slip resistant mounting surface for hoses, precise integrated mounting surfaces, and perfectly flat connecting surfaces used for TIG welding the tanks to the core. Through proper alignment in welding jigs, each unit is assembled to tight tolerances for a precise and accurate fit.




    Intercooler Bracket Design



    APR’s mechanical engineers designed CNC-bent and TIG-welded mounting brackets to securely hold the intercooler in place. The brackets make the install extremely easy. With the bumper and factory intercooler unit removed, the APR intercooler installs in minutes without any cutting, drilling or trimming. For the DIY customer, this makes a home install simple, and for everyone else it eliminates hidden costs that often come with a more labor intensive install.



    Testing

    Internally APR conducted a multitude of tests both on the street and on the dyno with thermocouples and pressure transducers placed at the inlet and outlet of the intercooler during the design phase. Data from these testes were used to chose the intercooler core available today. With the intercooler in it’s final production form, tests were conducted against the factory to measure the effectiveness of each system.



    Testing conducted on the dyno provided a semi controlled environment for back-to-back stress testing the two systems. Utilizing a B8 A4 2.0T 6MT at APR Stage II power levels, six back-to-back twelve second dyno pulls were conducted with only 5 seconds of cool down times between runs. APR’s ECU Explorer high resolution datalogging system was used for raw sensor data collection.



    The APR intercooler saw a beginning IAT of 29.25 °C that quickly dropped to 25.50 °C by the end of the first run and settled at only 34.50 °C by the end of the sixth run. The system effectively rejected heat soak and produced consistent dyno results. In stark contrast, the factory intercooler system did far worse. With a cooler beginning IAT of 27 °C, temperature rose to a staggering 42.5 °C after only the first run, already resulting in a poorer IAT than the APR intercooler after six back-to-back runs! As testing continued, it was clear the factory intercooler system was not built with performance in mind. IAT’s continued to rise, ending at 57.75 °C; an additional 23.25 °C higher than the APR system! This translated to a final gain of 17 AWHP over the factory intercooler by the sixth run while the power only varied by under 3 AWHP across all six runs with the APR Intercooler.



    Application Guide

    Audi A4 / Allroad (Typ 8K - B8 / B8.5)
    Audi A5 (Typ 8T - B8 / B8.5)
    Audi Q5 (Typ 8U - B8 / B8.5) - In Development

    1.8 TFSI and 2.0 TFSI Engines

    All Transmissions

    Does not fit vehicles with the extra Audi Drive Select cooler above the factory crash bar.

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    Very nice......one step closer to stage 3

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    What is the Drive Select cooler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerX951 View Post
    What is the Drive Select cooler?
    On some cars, above the crash bar, there is a snaked S looking cooler on some of the drive select cars. If that's there, it would block the install of the front mount. If I'm not mistaken, it's pretty uncommon. The S4 was the same way and getting around it just meant replacing the cooler. We sold a kit to relocate it, but have only sold a hand full. It's probably easier to just make it on your own with an off the shelf unit.
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    looks much like awe tunings, but slightly better. hope this sells for you guys.
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    Arin I'll be having this installed at aptuning on Friday...
    I'll be sure to post some pics..
    Plan to record intake temps on trip their and after install back home... Wish me luck!

    Looks to be an excellent product and upgrade... The design of the mounting brackets sold me, as well of the potential for further power....
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    I'm looking forward to the feedback. Thank you for the purchase!
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    i'm no mechanical engineer, but isn't there such thing as having too big an intercooler? velocity of air flow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shimmy View Post
    i'm no mechanical engineer, but isn't there such thing as having too big an intercooler? velocity of air flow?
    Yup, that's very possible. With the wrong design, poor end tanks, and the wrong core type, you can have something that looks big and better, but is worse in reality. If you want to learn more about ours, scroll up to the "design" section and have a read. I cover ours without getting overly technical. Let me know if you have any questions!
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    Here is one we just installed on Hyperunion's B8.5.

    If you're local we have a February special of just $65 to install the APR intercooler kit!

    If you're not local we offer free shipping on APR products. Click any of the pictures below to order!








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    very clean!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    [B]Here is one we just installed on Hyperunion's B8.5.

    If you're local we have a February special of just $65 to install the APR intercooler kit!
    Oh man.... i wish i were near by. I was quoted much more here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    Here is one we just installed on Hyperunion's B8.5.

    If you're local we have a February special of just $65 to install the APR intercooler kit!

    If you're not local we offer free shipping on APR products. Click any of the pictures below to order!







    Excellent job Tom and guys at aptuning!... I haven't posted any logs yet, but recorded using Torque Obd app., 15 degrees lower intake temps on cruise at 65 highway, and full throttle runs then on the stock fmic!.... Almost 0 loss of torque felt. Highly recommend this, mounting and install was very well thought out and engineered.
    Last edited by hyperunion; 03-01-2016 at 01:38 PM.
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    Can u take a pic of it with the grill on?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AUDIMAN33 View Post
    Can u take a pic of it with the grill on?


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    Just about too pretty soon.... Having trouble getting the pics on attachments... Have one on the instagram "Veritech1"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperunion View Post
    Just about too pretty soon.... Having trouble getting the pics on attachments... Have one on the instagram "Veritech1"
    No worries man, I'll look it up on the gram in a bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperunion View Post
    Just about too pretty soon.... Having trouble getting the pics on attachments... Have one on the instagram "Veritech1"
    Just looked it up, Looks nice. Gave you two likes lmao...

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    I think the type of mesh grill on my car makes the IC even more in-your-face prominent.
    Overall, great quality and fit.

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    No hiding the front mount there!....👍👍👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperunion View Post
    Excellent job Tom and guys at aptuning!... I haven't posted any logs yet, but recorded using Torque Obd app., 15 degrees lower intake temps then ambient on cruise at 65 highway, and full throttle runs then on the stock fmic!.... Almost 0 pressure drop felt. Highly recommend this, mounting and install was very well thought out and engineered.
    wait....15 degrees lower than ambient? That's not possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllroadCorbin View Post
    wait....15 degrees lower than ambient? That's not possible
    +1 not possible with an air to air intercooler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...thermodynamics
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    Either APR has filled their FMIC with dry ice or my hunch about Arin not being a muggle is true and the $899 price tag reflects the fact that APR cast a potions spell on their FMIC to defeat science
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    Im not an engineer but wouldn't it typically be lower then ambient when moving? If its 70deg outside the and you're traveling at 65mph the air passing over would cool it lower then the actual 70deg it is ambient.

    I would think its the same principle as wind chill. If its 20deg out and windy so it feels like 0deg. Then it wouldn't actually be 0deg but would make things effectively that temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    Im not an engineer but wouldn't it typically be lower then ambient when moving? If its 70deg outside the and you're traveling at 65mph the air passing over would cool it lower then the actual 70deg it is ambient.
    I don't think that would lower the temperature of the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    Im not an engineer but wouldn't it typically be lower then ambient when moving? If its 70deg outside the and you're traveling at 65mph the air passing over would cool it lower then the actual 70deg it is ambient.

    I would think its the same principle as wind chill. If its 20deg out and windy so it feels like 0deg. Then it wouldn't actually be 0deg but would make things effectively that temp.
    lol, no. Sorry man that's just not how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    Im not an engineer but wouldn't it typically be lower then ambient when moving? If its 70deg outside the and you're traveling at 65mph the air passing over would cool it lower then the actual 70deg it is ambient.

    I would think its the same principle as wind chill. If its 20deg out and windy so it feels like 0deg. Then it wouldn't actually be 0deg but would make things effectively that temp.
    If you read through the link above you should get an understanding as to why it doesn't work like that

    Wind chill isn't a measure of actual temperature - just perception
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    Didn't see the link before hand, ill check it out then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    Im not an engineer but wouldn't it typically be lower then ambient when moving? If its 70deg outside the and you're traveling at 65mph the air passing over would cool it lower then the actual 70deg it is ambient.

    I would think its the same principle as wind chill. If its 20deg out and windy so it feels like 0deg. Then it wouldn't actually be 0deg but would make things effectively that temp.
    No haha. That's like saying the wind chill outside actually means its -35 degrees. Thats not how it works
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllroadCorbin View Post
    No haha. That's like saying the wind chill outside actually means its -35 degrees. Thats not how it works
    No thats not what I meant, I was actually trying to say the exact opposite. If the wind chill is -35deg obviously its not -35 ambient but objects subject to the wind would have more heat removed removed versus static airflow. If the wind didn't remove additional heat then the windchill wouldn't exist, if it applies to what a person feels, wouldn't it have the same affect on an object passing at speed?

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    Can't cool lower than ambient air temp with an air to air intercooler. It's just not going to happen. There needs to be a temp differential between intake and ambient air for there to be transfer of heat from intake to ambient air.

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    I have an IR temp gun at home. I can set up a fan in front of my car in the garage and take a reading pre and post fan exposure. You can't cool something below the temperature of the air you are blowing on it. If this was possible, we wouldn't need freon, just faster fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    No thats not what I meant, I was actually trying to say the exact opposite. If the wind chill is -35deg obviously its not -35 ambient but objects subject to the wind would have more heat removed removed versus static airflow. If the wind didn't remove additional heat then the windchill wouldn't exist, if it applies to what a person feels, wouldn't it have the same affect on an object passing at speed?
    It removes heat quicker because of convection (vs conduction of stagnant air), making our bodies work as hard as the equivalent temp to replace lost heat. If you were to succumb to the cold (ded) and your body stopped producing heat, your lifeless corpse would never drop below the actual temp. The wind chill would just get it there quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom@APTuning View Post
    No thats not what I meant, I was actually trying to say the exact opposite. If the wind chill is -35deg obviously its not -35 ambient but objects subject to the wind would have more heat removed removed versus static airflow. If the wind didn't remove additional heat then the windchill wouldn't exist, if it applies to what a person feels, wouldn't it have the same affect on an object passing at speed?
    Ah I see what you mean. But I think part of the thermodynamics law is that a body of air at 70 degrees can not reduce a body of air at say, 150 degrees to anything lower than what it currently is. Essentially heat, is a measure of energy or particle speed right? So for instance when you touch a piece of metal, if often feels cold in your hand. The feeling of cold is the metal absorbing heat energy from your hand. If your hand is at 98.6 degrees and the metal is at 70 degrees, no matter how long you hold that metal, you will never be able to make that metal warm to higher than the ambient temperature of your hand. Everything in science and physics blah blah blah seeks equilibrium. Even if 300 mph 70 degree air is being blown at an FMIC containing 250 degree air, it will never be able to cool it further than its own ambient temperature. If you graph what I'm talking about it would be Y=1/x....y being the FMIC outlet temperature.... Y will approach 0 (ambient), but never reach it
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    Quote Originally Posted by lettuce View Post
    It removes heat quicker because of convention (vs conduction of stagnant air), making our bodies work as hard as the equivalent temp to replace lost heat.
    Gotcha I see what you're saying I was thinking of it backwards from how it effects a human body

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllroadCorbin View Post
    Ah I see what you mean. But I think part of the thermodynamics law is that a body of air at 70 degrees can not reduce a body of air at say, 150 degrees to anything lower than what it currently is. Essentially heat, is a measure of energy or particle speed right? So for instance when you touch a piece of metal, if often feels cold in your hand. The feeling of cold is the metal absorbing heat energy from your hand. If your hand is at 98.6 degrees and the metal is at 70 degrees, no matter how long you hold that metal, you will never be able to make that metal warm to higher than the ambient temperature of your hand. Everything in science and physics blah blah blah seeks equilibrium. Even if 300 mph 70 degree air is being blown at an FMIC containing 250 degree air, it will never be able to cool it further than its own ambient temperature. If you graph what I'm talking about it would be Y=1/x....y being the FMIC outlet temperature.... Y will approach 0 (ambient), but never reach it
    Makes sense, I guess what I was thinking is it could pull more heat away, not in the sense of making the intercooler physically colder but some how would have that negative effect on the air inside, but what I was thinking in my head didn't match the laws.

    I guess back to what was read from his torque app Im thinking the ambient is being pulled from somewhere its getting influence by heat somewhere.

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    The only way to get Intake Air Temperature lower than ambient is to either:

    1.) Incorrectly report ambient temps higher than reality.

    This is probably what's happening. Sensor iss reading incorrectly, or data was not collected correctly.

    2.) Cool the cooler lower than ambient temps.

    Unlikely. Not possible to cool it below ambient air with ambient air. Possible on air to water setups if you throw ice in the coolant. Possible if you freeze the air-to-air cooler by spraying the surface with something like nitrous oxide. Doubt the cooler could just be "cold" from sitting overnight... Maybe for a single part of a pull.
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    This went from a FMIC thread to 12th grade physics lesson real quick.

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