Brand New Engines

[Das Audi]

I found this on ebay tonight for those looking at replacing your engines.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Audi-S4-...dWjGsD&vxp=mtr

Enjoy

[924Carrera]

Damn, I could just drive over and load this thing up without worrying about freight. Too bad I don't have an extra $10k lying around.

[verymickey]

That really is a beautiful looking engine.

[Mr.Wrong]

For 10k I'd rather have a bottom built by JHM and have a bulletproof BHF. If their pricing was quite a bit better, I could see some sense in buying one. Otherwise it's not worth it IMHO. Besides I doubt they'll provide some kind of a warranty. If it takes a crap shortly after install for some odd reason, you're out $10k+...

That really is a beautiful looking engine.

It really is, isn't it.

[Crispy Waffle]

What a weird thing to buy in bulk

[bmwpower603]

Wow. That is very nice. I want it.

[verymickey]

What a weird thing to buy in bulk

big chunk of change to drop too. 25 engines selling for retailing for 20k selling now for 10k.. i guessing he bought them for around 7-9k a piece?
So a 175-225k investment in engines/inventory with a limited audience, interesting.

Not where I would invest that kinda money but I am glad someone did and these are on the market!

[sandspeed]

For 10k I'd rather have a bottom built by JHM and have a bulletproof BHF. If their pricing was quite a bit better, I could see some sense in buying one. Otherwise it's not worth it IMHO. Besides I doubt they'll provide some kind of a warranty. If it takes a crap shortly after install for some odd reason, you're out $10k+...

Or you could use the machine shop they used for the sleeving, let them source the rods and pistons, and spend considerably less than buying from JHM.

[65vetteC6]

Or you could use the machine shop they used for the sleeving, let them source the rods and pistons, and spend considerably less than buying from JHM.

They are in contract with JHM

[FastEddie]

big chunk of change to drop too. 25 engines selling for retailing for 20k selling now for 10k.. i guessing he bought them for around 7-9k a piece?
So a 175-225k investment in engines/inventory with a limited audience, interesting.

Not where I would invest that kinda money but I am glad someone did and these are on the market!

engine new is now 20k. two years ago i bought a new engine through insurance directly from Audi and its $12,800 bucks.

[Mr.Wrong]

Or you could use the machine shop they used for the sleeving, let them source the rods and pistons, and spend considerably less than buying from JHM.

And who would warranty that kind of work, said machine shop? I doubt it. I'd rather spend money with someone who did their homework and stands behind their product rather than pioneering with that kind of money.

They are in contract with JHM

Most likely. I'd be surprised if they're not.

engine new is now 20k. two years ago i bought a new engine through insurance directly from Audi and its $12,800 bucks.

Just couple of years ago someone got quoted less than $15k for the long block and even less for the short block. I doubt it went up to $20k in that time frame.

[bmwpower603]

I just spoke with Aaron from ebay. He told me these engines are 08's. He said $9950.00 shipped. I'm really debating this. Since I need to spend $7000.00 total. To do timing refresh, and valve seals. Parts and labor. (Including electronic adjusters)

[IslandHydro]

I just spoke with Aaron from ebay. He told me these engines are 08's. He said $9950.00 shipped. I'm really debating this. Since I need to spend $7000.00 total. To do timing refresh, and valve seals. Parts and labor. (Including electronic adjusters)

There'd be a chunk of labor to go with the 10K, but there is a lot to be said for brand spanking new.

[bmwpower603]

I wonder if it's worth putting jhm mechanical adjuster in a brand new engine?

[Kevinskir]

Jeebus they are right here east of Portland.... I could go look at them for you if you wanted me to @bmwpower603

[bmwpower603]

Jeebus they are right here east of Portland.... I could go look at them for you if you wanted me to @bmwpower603

I'm sure they would allow that. There's only two 6 speed engines left. I'm thinking I would have to get new pcv. Last time I checked. Mine was all gunked up in the tubes..

[VinnysS4]

all i have to say is BUY IT. lol. 7 grand for a used engine with upgraded timing components or 10 grand for a brand spanking new engine. seems like a no brainer. have your mechanic throw in the RS4 guides and you have yourself a bullet proof engine combo. just my .02

[924Carrera]

Yeah, if I had the money I would be buying one of these myself and slapping some headers on it before install. A chance to properly break in a new engine and not worry about oil consumption any more...

[bmwpower603]

all i have to say is BUY IT. lol. 7 grand for a used engine with upgraded timing components or 10 grand for a brand spanking new engine. seems like a no brainer. have your mechanic throw in the RS4 guides and you have yourself a bullet proof engine combo. just my .02

Are the rs4 guides the ones included in the jhm kit? Where can the rs4 guides be purchased?

[Mr.Wrong]

big chunk of change to drop too. 25 engines selling for retailing for 20k selling now for 10k.. i guessing he bought them for around 7-9k a piece?
So a 175-225k investment in engines/inventory with a limited audience, interesting.

Not where I would invest that kinda money but I am glad someone did and these are on the market!

Several years ago, there was a deal going down under the radar, where a large performance company(overseas based) was liquidating one of its projects assets. Part of those assets was a lot of 100 brand spanking new BHFs. I know someone who was on a buying side of that deal and after all said and done, cost of each engine was going to be less than $4k already on US soil. Unfortunately, there was something off in that contract and buyers backed off so it never saw the light of day. I wonder if these are a part of said lot. Anyways, I doubt they paid 7k for these, who knows though.

[Mr.Wrong]

I'm sure they would allow that. There's only two 6 speed engines left. I'm thinking I would have to get new pcv. Last time I checked. Mine was all gunked up in the tubes..

Will they warranty their engines and if so what are the terms?

Only one RS4 guide that replaced S4 guide. You can get one from a dealer or one of vendors here.

[bmwpower603]

Will they warranty their engines and if so what are the terms?

Only one RS4 guide that replaced S4 guide. You can get one from a dealer or one of vendors here.

Does it come in the jhm timing kit? I would think that it should. They can't warranty them. Jhm cant even warranty unless they do the break in process.

[Mr.Wrong]

Does it come in the jhm timing kit? I would think that it should. They can't warranty them. Jhm cant even warranty unless they do the break in process.

It does, at least intermediate and up ones do.
I thought so, but you never know. That's quite a gamble, $10k+ gamble imho....

[Brettannica]

Several years ago, there was a deal going down under the radar, where a large performance company(overseas based) was liquidating one of its projects assets. Part of those assets was a lot of 100 brand spanking new BHFs. I know someone who was on a buying side of that deal and after all said and done, cost of each engine was going to be less than $4k already on US soil. Unfortunately, there was something off in that contract and buyers backed off so it never saw the light of day. I wonder if these are a part of said lot. Anyways, I doubt they paid 7k for these, who knows though.

Would that be Spyker?
I quietly ‘had a moment’ while I looked at the images!

[JimmyBones]

Or you could use the machine shop they used for the sleeving, let them source the rods and pistons, and spend considerably less than buying from JHM.

I met a guy at VIR two years ago that said that he found the company that JHM uses for their sleeves and he got his engine sleeved. The sleeved engine failed in like 200 miles. He didn't know that there are multiple steps to the built engine program.

It is better to do it right the first time than screwing things up.

[sandspeed]

They are in contract with JHM

Or you could use the machine shop I talked to that have done it a few times recently and know what they're doing, and said they could do any Alusil engine.

And who would warranty that kind of work, said machine shop? I doubt it. I'd rather spend money with someone who did their homework and stands behind their product rather than pioneering with that kind of money.

1. You live on the East Coast, so how do you intend to utilize a warranty from a West Coast company? They will most definitely want the motor removed and disassembled for inspection at an authorized shop, then they will decide whether they should honor the warranty. It's not like you'll be able to drive it into their shop and say "Fix it."
2. Machine shops typically warranty their work, at least the one I spoke with does.
3. Have you done business with JHM? Some people have had issues in the past. That, coupled with the cross-country location, might make them apprehensive to rely on them for a built bottom end.
4. You realize that an experienced and competent machine shop, which has completed sleeve work on S4 and other Alusil motors in the past, is more than able to install rods and pistons, right? The quote I got was ~$3k for the machining and sleeving, plus parts cost (rods, pistons, rings, bearings, etc.) and they will reassemble the short block. They also said they could order the pistons, which I would definitely let the machine shop do.

Bottom line: JHM is extremely slow with product development. Why wait for them to start selling $10k+ bottom-end builds when there are very competent shops out there that have already done it and can do it without charging you JHM's markup?

[EUROSWAGR]

This guy has it all figured out....

[Mr.Wrong]

Or you could use the machine shop I talked to that have done it a few times recently and know what they're doing, and said they could do any Alusil engine.



1. You live on the East Coast, so how do you intend to utilize a warranty from a West Coast company? They will most definitely want the motor removed and disassembled for inspection at an authorized shop, then they will decide whether they should honor the warranty. It's not like you'll be able to drive it into their shop and say "Fix it."
2. Machine shops typically warranty their work, at least the one I spoke with does.
3. Have you done business with JHM? Some people have had issues in the past. That, coupled with the cross-country location, might make them apprehensive to rely on them for a built bottom end.
4. You realize that an experienced and competent machine shop, which has completed sleeve work on S4 and other Alusil motors in the past, is more than able to install rods and pistons, right? The quote I got was ~$3k for the machining and sleeving, plus parts cost (rods, pistons, rings, bearings, etc.) and they will reassemble the short block. They also said they could order the pistons, which I would definitely let the machine shop do.

Bottom line: JHM is extremely slow with product development. Why wait for them to start selling $10k+ bottom-end builds when there are very competent shops out there that have already done it and can do it without charging you JHM's markup?

1. You just answered your own question there.... Or one could ship an entire car or just an engine to JHM, IF JHM wants to disassemble it themselves that is.
2. Not even going to touch on this one.
3. Whether I have or have not done business with JHM has nothing to do with this topic. I've been on the forums long enough and have done my homework regarding them. If you weed out through the drama, you'll also be able to see a clear picture. And working with a no name shop in B6/7 4.2L platform would not make someone apprehensive to rely on when compared to a well know shop who specializes in this platform.
4. How many BHFs said shop has sleeved?

You make it seem so easy. A machine shop that will sleeve my BHF block and warranty their work is just rock throw away. Like if there's an abundance of machine shops which have sleeved a number of BHFs before. You do realize in the past TWELVE years, I have not seen a single BHF which has been sleeved by some machine shop, maybe I missed a post or a thread so it is possible it's just me. Instead people spend 4-6k on used BHFs from partouts, junk/salvage yards, and over $10k for remanufactured or new engines. I wonder why has it not been clear it is that easy to find a competent machine shop which will build out BHFs for around $3k and why there's not a single thread sharing their built BHF.

Let be real here, ok? If you're working on a budget and are ok with some shop sleeving your BHF for around $3k, more power to you and I salute you for that. I would gladly follow your thread on this topic when you decide to go through with this and hopefully it'll help others. Me and probably most on here would rather have a shop that knows these BHFs in and out with their closed eyes do the build and have a piece of mind knowing it was done right. I'll gladly pay their rate to do such work. Don't get me wrong though, I would love to see nothing more than a price tag for a built bottom BHF much less than $10k from JHM or even a well experienced and competent shop. However, I personally have not come across such information. Hopefully, once JHM streamlines their build motor program, it'll be #1 better priced and #2 shorter timeframe. Hopefully now you understand where I'm coming from and as I said in my earlier reply, I will not gamble and pioneer with my S4. You gotta pay to play.

[DasShane]

You could always just say screw these engines and get this http://m.ebay.com/itm/LAMBORGHINI-MU....c100408.m2460

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[IslandHydro]

You could always just say screw these engines and get this http://m.ebay.com/itm/LAMBORGHINI-MU....c100408.m2460

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On the pic of the odometer, the check engine light is on!

[tymeks]

1. You just answered your own question there.... Or one could ship an entire car or just an engine to JHM, IF JHM wants to disassemble it themselves that is.
2. Not even going to touch on this one.
3. Whether I have or have not done business with JHM has nothing to do with this topic. I've been on the forums long enough and have done my homework regarding them. If you weed out through the drama, you'll also be able to see a clear picture. And working with a no name shop in B6/7 4.2L platform would not make someone apprehensive to rely on when compared to a well know shop who specializes in this platform.
4. How many BHFs said shop has sleeved?

You make it seem so easy. A machine shop that will sleeve my BHF block and warranty their work is just rock throw away. Like if there's an abundance of machine shops which have sleeved a number of BHFs before. You do realize in the past TWELVE years, I have not seen a single BHF which has been sleeved by some machine shop, maybe I missed a post or a thread so it is possible it's just me. Instead people spend 4-6k on used BHFs from partouts, junk/salvage yards, and over $10k for remanufactured or new engines. I wonder why has it not been clear it is that easy to find a competent machine shop which will build out BHFs for around $3k and why there's not a single thread sharing their built BHF.

Let be real here, ok? If you're working on a budget and are ok with some shop sleeving your BHF for around $3k, more power to you and I salute you for that. I would gladly follow your thread on this topic when you decide to go through with this and hopefully it'll help others. Me and probably most on here would rather have a shop that knows these BHFs in and out with their closed eyes do the build and have a piece of mind knowing it was done right. I'll gladly pay their rate to do such work. Don't get me wrong though, I would love to see nothing more than a price tag for a built bottom BHF much less than $10k from JHM or even a well experienced and competent shop. However, I personally have not come across such information. Hopefully, once JHM streamlines their build motor program, it'll be #1 better priced and #2 shorter timeframe. Hopefully now you understand where I'm coming from and as I said in my earlier reply, I will not gamble and pioneer with my S4. You gotta pay to play.

Everybody in this thread is talking about just buying a built short block from JHM as if it's a product they sell.

I've talked with them. They will not take your money for a built short block. They will not accept you engine to build a short block and they will not accept your car to build a motor and install it.

A built short block is not a product they sell.

So for the other people who are chiming in about other companies, well, let's hear them out. Let's be positive about another possible option instead of just flicking them away and assuming JHMs product is available instead.

[Lucca M]

Everybody in this thread is talking about just buying a built short block from JHM as if it's a product they sell.

I've talked with them. They will not take your money for a built short block. They will not accept you engine to build a short block and they will not accept your car to build a motor and install it.

A built short block is not a product they sell.

So for the other people who are chiming in about other companies, well, let's hear them out. Let's be positive about another possible option instead of just flicking them away and assuming JHMs product is available instead.

this ! guys, JHM is great but lets not glorify them! some people on here are like JHM or nothing.

[VinnysS4]

On the pic of the odometer, the check engine light is on!

lol so are the rest of them. Key on engine off

[Mr.Wrong]

Everybody in this thread is talking about just buying a built short block from JHM as if it's a product they sell.

I've talked with them. They will not take your money for a built short block. They will not accept you engine to build a short block and they will not accept your car to build a motor and install it.

A built short block is not a product they sell.

So for the other people who are chiming in about other companies, well, let's hear them out. Let's be positive about another possible option instead of just flicking them away and assuming JHMs product is available instead.

I think most on here are aware of the fact that JHM is not taking on any new orders for built motor program at this moment as they're in the process of streamlining this product, which make no mistake will be available for purchase. IIRC there're three B6s I'm aware of that are running their built motor, not counting JHM's inhouse car(s). They were one of the first ones on the list. I believe there's a waiting list now lol

Nobody is flicking anybody away or shutting them up. I'm just having a respectful conversation with another member and bringing up valid points.

this ! guys, JHM is great but lets not glorify them! some people on here are like JHM or nothing.

Again not glorifying anything, just having a factual discussion. I belive we are capable of doing this here with respect, unlike RS4 section

If there's a better alternative than JHM I'm all up for it and will be one of the first ones to get that motor built for much less than what has been discussed earlier. The more quality options we have the better.

[0396]

all i have to say is BUY IT. lol. 7 grand for a used engine with upgraded timing components or 10 grand for a brand spanking new engine. seems like a no brainer. have your mechanic throw in the RS4 guides and you have yourself a bullet proof engine combo. just my .02

Sounds like an excellent choice

[tymeks]

I'm with you, the more quality options the better!

When I talked with JHM though, they said, from years to never, regarding their timeframe to accepting new orders. They didn't mention anything about a possibility of something soon or something anytime. I asked them in as many different ways as I could, lol. And the answer was steadfast on pretty much never. Lol

But, as good as they are, they can't be the only one in this entire country to have what it takes to build these blocks.

Was it written in stone somewhere that the blocks had to be resleeved when dropping new Pistons in? If so, does anybody have that thread saved or can point me to it?

I've built motors in the past and, I'm over simplifying here for sake of typing on my phone, but as long as the sleeves where in good shape and had a good cross section to them, you give them a light honing and just drop some new Pistons in them. Is there a thread somewhere that states the impossibility of this with these blocks?

[VinnysS4]

Was it written in stone somewhere that the blocks had to be resleeved when dropping new Pistons in? If so, does anybody have that thread saved or can point me to it?

I've built motors in the past and, I'm over simplifying here for sake of typing on my phone, but as long as the sleeves where in good shape and had a good cross section to them, you give them a light honing and just drop some new Pistons in them. Is there a thread somewhere that states the impossibility of this with these blocks?

as far as i know (and i don't know much lol) If the cylinder walls don't have much/any scoring on the walls, you should be good to go. Most people will sleeve the block if they plan on running high boost or building the engine beyond its normal "stock capabilities". If the cylinder walls have no scoring, i don't see the point in sleeving the block on a DD. That being said....If the pistons are coming out, i would personally have a shop do whatever i could have done to the motor while it is out (rinds, bearings, gaskets...etc..) just for peace of mind, knowing that the block has had its "miles counter reset" so-to-speak. I guess it would all depend on what you were planing on doing with the car...track...boost...DD.......... If the engine is just being brought back to running state and you plan on getting rid of the car, then i wouldn't bother with it. But if you plan on building the car a lot and maybe adding boost or nos, i'd invest the time/money into it. just my .02

[924Carrera]

I'm with you, the more quality options the better!

When I talked with JHM though, they said, from years to never, regarding their timeframe to accepting new orders. They didn't mention anything about a possibility of something soon or something anytime. I asked them in as many different ways as I could, lol. And the answer was steadfast on pretty much never. Lol

But, as good as they are, they can't be the only one in this entire country to have what it takes to build these blocks.

Was it written in stone somewhere that the blocks had to be resleeved when dropping new Pistons in? If so, does anybody have that thread saved or can point me to it?

I've built motors in the past and, I'm over simplifying here for sake of typing on my phone, but as long as the sleeves where in good shape and had a good cross section to them, you give them a light honing and just drop some new Pistons in them. Is there a thread somewhere that states the impossibility of this with these blocks?

These blocks don't HAVE sleeves from the factory. The alusil engine blocks are a lot more difficult to work with than a conventional cast iron block like, say, the B5 has. Sure, if the cylinder walls are in great shape and you're just replacing rings, you might be able to get away with (MIGHT), but you can't really hone the alusil block either because you will damage the surfacing. However, many of these engines suffer from scoring and oil consumption, which is why sleeving is such a popular topic. The fact that you actually have to ADD sleeves to an engine that didn't have them is why there is such debate about who is competent enough to do it. Audi built the BHF with very close cylinder spacing to fit the engine in smaller bays, and therefore the machine work for this job is pretty involved. People want something that can ensure they don't suffer from scoring again (any engine can suffer scoring if you mistreat it, but the aluminum sleeveless blocks are a lot easier to screw up). I personally wouldn't want to take the gamble on a used engine only to find it's scored up as well and basically scrap. So if my engine got bad enough to need replacement, new or properly built with sleeves would be the only routes I would choose.

[tymeks]

Good information. Thank You. I understand now. Alusil blocks are pretty prevalent on Bimmers and Porsches and I know they have no problem sleeving those..... With the right machine shop.

[tymeks]

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