Looking for a DSG Oil Change DIY

[scottycs]

Couldn't find much information through searching, and I am looking for some clarification. A DIY would be great, especially with pictures! Are any special tools required other than VCDS?

Thanks!

[chaos2984]

You really don't need VCDS. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If you have it its fine but there's no need to go out of the way to get one. The pan has a self leveling fill spout. Ive done plenty of cars that you need to heat the car up to X and have it filled to Y. But as long as you fill it and its a steady drip when its coming out of the fill/drain hole you will be fine. If you under or over fill the trans by an couple ounces you will be just fine. The book just has Perfect world conditions. I have never had any issues with cars Audi or other wise that have this type of procedure to fill. I just fill them with the car running until its a steady drip coming out and you will be just fine. I don't feel like waiting for one and waiting doesn't make any money at the dealership level.

but you need to look for a B8.5 DIY. Its a little different between a B8 and B8.5 from what I heard. I think that the B8.5 doesn't have the external filter. Someone will have to confirm this. But you want to replace the trans pan and bolts. Someone said they broken bolts off trying to reuse them. I can't really tell you about bolts, I haven't done mine. But I don't really care about 1 time use bolts, If the bolt will tighten up then im good. But some people will wrench on the bolts and that's how they break them. If your worried then just replace them.

[scottycs]

B8.5 is an external filter and it appears you do NOT pull the pan, which is a plus. I found the Febi/bilstein DSG fluid for $13 vs $30 from dealer, any reason not to go with this?

I haven't found a DIY yet....

[infinkc]

this is the closest to a diy that has been posted http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...605955-DSG-DIY

[chaos2984]

B8.5 is an external filter and it appears you do NOT pull the pan, which is a plus. I found the Febi/bilstein DSG fluid for $13 vs $30 from dealer, any reason not to go with this?

I haven't found a DIY yet....

Honestly I wouldn't go with anything other than that DSG fluid from Audi or sold by someone else. Unless someone else has tried it I don't know how finiky the trans is to other peoples fluid. The question is would you want to take the chance to possibly screw up your trans by putting some other type of "DSG" fluid in there. Unless it states on the bottle that it is the same type of fluid as factory fill I wouldn't use it. I don't want to pay out of pocket for a new trans. I don't know audi's policy. But when I worked for Mitsu and you had a DSG or a CVT trans failure they want the fluid tested before they offered your warranty. I don't know what kind of research you have done. But I would just make sure that fluid is acceptable is all.

As for the filter deal there still is one in the pan. I don't know if its actual medium or a strainer as people have landed on both sides of the fence with this. Its easy enough to change that filter as well I would just change it.

[scottycs]

I am only buying fluid that is spec'd for Audi/VW. From my research, All I need is a funnel and tube to drain the fluid from the top, no special tools required. I will tackle it this weekend or next. It's just like any other trans drain/fill I have done.

[Dr GP]

You could always just take it to the local Valvoline oil change shop! But they might put the trans fluid in the crankcase!

[chaos2984]

I am only buying fluid that is spec'd for Audi/VW. From my research, All I need is a funnel and tube to drain the fluid from the top, no special tools required. I will tackle it this weekend or next. It's just like any other trans drain/fill I have done.

you need someway to pump it into the trans. A funnel isn't going to cut it buddy.

[scottycs]

Sure it is, gravity fill.

[sebgreen]

Is there any reason why you don't take your car to an Indy to do this?


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[scottycs]

Because I like doing my own maintenance and keeping the 500-600 in my pocket. The Indys I quoted were more than the dealer

[adk_audi]

You could always just take it to the local Valvoline oil change shop! But they might put the trans fluid in the crankcase!

Darn, you beat me to it! I was going to say just take it to a Valvoline shop for an oil change!
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...il-change-shop

[Fociracr]

It's a pretty straight forward job, I just did mine this past fall, took me about 2.5 hrs. No special tools required except for VAG. I don't care what people tell ya the trans needs to get up to 30C-50C in order for the fluid to drain off.

1. Jack the vehicle both front and back, needs to be level.
2. Remove all the plastic shielding around the transmission.
3. Remove the brace underneath the car, held in place by 6 bolts (19mm I think)
4. Make sure you're car is semi warm before you start it will make draining the DSG fluid a lot quicker.
5. Located the drain plug on the bottom of the pan and also the fill plug, drivers side of trans (both are the same size Allen screw heads.) loosen the fill one first (it would be pointless to drain it if you couldn't fill it).
6. Once drained you will have to remove the pan (all of the B8's and B8.5's have an internal filter that needs to be changed).
7. make sure you get all new screws for the pan(15), they are stretch bolts and will snap once you try to torque them. (I got mine on the internet they were .30$ cents a pop, dealer wanted 2.40$ a piece)
8. Once the pan is removed (this will be messy make sure you have lots of cardboard or pig mat to soak up all the spills you might have.) remove the internal filter and install a new one, make sure tho that the new filter gets a new O-ring on top of it where it sits inside the transmission by the + notch on top (once you get the new parts you'll see what I'm talking about) just make sure you install the new Oring that comes with you're kit.
9. Now you can install a new Pan gasket and start the install process, this can be kind of a PITA trying to make sure the internal filter stays in place while the pan gets placed in position.
10. Once the pan is on and you hand tightened the 15 bolts, you can start torquing them in a criss cross pattern (10nm is the torque it calls for, I did mine up to 12nm because for some reason at 10nm it was seeping past the gasket).
11. Once torqued you can start filling the trans with new fluid takes about 6.5 qts of fluid, make sure you have you're bottom plug in and torqued i just snugged mine, there's various ways of doing this from funnels with ty-gon tubing from the top or a transfer pump from the bottom, I used a cheap transfer pump from the bottom and this was way easier, less messy and quicker.
12. Put 6 qts in it and turn the car on, hold the brake down while you row through all the gears (P, R, N, D, S) get it up to 30C-50C and then check your level by opening the side plug and seeing if you have any fluid escaping, if you do let it seep out till done, if not fill it up some more and repeat this step, till you get fluid escaping through the side plug.
13. Once done install everything in reverse order.

PS, some B8's came with an external filter which is similar to the oil filter on top of the engine, it's smaller and sits on the side of the transmission on the drivers side. I doubt yours will have this but if it does change this out too pretty straight forward (like the engine oil filer).

14 Take her out for a spin, once done jack it up and inspect for leaks.

There's various kits out there, ECS had a good one with one fluid. I got mine from europaparts with liquimoly lube which seems to be approved by VW/Audi, this options is alot cheaper so thats why I went this route, I haven't had any issue with it. Good luck. Don't over tighten the pan bolts too much because they WILL snap, i had this happen to me, I didn't use a TQ wrench at first and torqued it too hard, so I had to drill one out, learned from my mistakes. Good luck

[GRUMPY-S4]

How much are you saving by doing it yourself?

[Fociracr]

How much are you saving by doing it yourself?

My dealer quoted me 600-700, I did it myself for 300. Plus my dealer sucks big time, i wouldn't take him my winter beater.

[sebgreen]

I can't believe you are getting quotes like that for a dsg fluid and filter change. Main dealers in UK want £175 to do it.


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[sangaroo]

I paid 500 at an indy shop

[Fociracr]

I paid 500 at an indy shop

Mine did too, but the guy said they've never done a B8 DSG fluid change so I said fuck that I wont be the first one.

[scottycs]

FYI, dealer does not pull pan or internal filter, they only replace the external filter.

[Fociracr]

FYI, dealer does not pull pan or internal filter, they only replace the external filter.

Some do, some don't, mine was going to do it.

[scottycs]

Well it is not in the "scheduled" maintenance. I may change it at 70k but I don't think Audi recommends replacement until the 3rd DSG service.

Some do, some don't, mine was going to do it.

[sebgreen]

Knowing about some dsg issues that happen I wouldn't do this myself. Wouldn't trust a dealer either. I found an Audi specialist whose thing is gearboxes so would only trust him.

Respect for doing this yourself.


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[Fociracr]

Knowing about some dsg issues that happen I wouldn't do this myself. Wouldn't trust a dealer either. I found an Audi specialist whose thing is gearboxes so would only trust him.

Respect for doing this yourself.


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LoL yeah, because all of us have a Audi transmission specialist that lives close by.