How strong is tranny on B6 A4? qtro

[akinaboy]

Hi.
I have a 03 B6 A4 qtro with appx. 17,000 miles on it.
Serveral weeks ago, I was ready to go for chip mod, but I decided to hold on to it until I find out which brand I want to go for and etc...
Now, I found out that my transmission feels pretty weak and acts little funny sometimes. When I slow down to make a right turn and start to accelerate up, I can feel that the gear shfting is pretty harsh not smoothe that it tilts my neck behind.
I took it to the dealer and they said that they could not find any problem on the tranny. However, I can feel that something is not right on tranny.
My question is...
1. Do I need to get my transmission refleshed? I have read some posts saying about transmission re-calibration to get rid of rough idle at cold start and faster respond on transmission gear shifts.
(correct me if I' wrong).
2. Let's say that my tranny goes bad after I get it chipped, would that avoid my warranty because they may say that it happened because of my chip upgrade?
The car drives fine now, but I'm worried if it goes bad after I get it chipped..
HELP~~~

[LAZY TURBO]

take it to a dealership n see wuts wrong with it, im sure its coverd under warranty

[A4 - Oh Snap]

If you have a CVT, then don't do it. The only solution for a broken transmission is to have it replaced. If you have a manual transmission, then u need to practice your shifting.

Originally posted by akinaboy
When I slow down to make a right turn and start to accelerate up, I can feel that the gear shfting is pretty harsh not smoothe that it tilts my neck behind.

[bhvrdr]

Absolutely Audi would have a very good case for denying a tranny warranty after being chipped. It can be pointed out that the 5-Speed (ZF Transmission: 5HP19FLA) Tip is rated only for only 310Nm of max torque, or 229lb/ft.

cheers! Mike

[Grouse]

what is the 05 6 speed manual rated at?

[akinaboy]

My A4 is Quattro auto shift.
i actually have taken it to the dealer, but after they test drove it, they said that they couldn't find any problem. But, I can feel the problem. Also, it does not happen all the time.
So, I should not go for the chip upgrade until I get the tranny issue resolved?
Is it common to see tranny on B6 A4 goes bad easily?

[mrkrad]

just chip it , get an extended warranty, and make sure the chipper can be local and flash it back, or get a spare ecu (best solution). when/if it dies put the stock ecu/program back on and let them deal with it.

[GreyGhost]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
Absolutely Audi would have a very good case for denying a tranny warranty after being chipped. It can be pointed out that the 5-Speed (ZF Transmission: 5HP19FLA) Tip is rated only for only 310Nm of max torque, or 229lb/ft.

cheers! Mike

sorry for the thread jack....

Mike,
do you know what the rating on the 5 speed manual tranny is? Also, I emailed you at an address from AW. I talked with Andy and he said it's just the clutch breaking in. No worries.
thanks again
Jeff

[akinaboy]

Originally posted by mrkrad
just chip it , get an extended warranty, and make sure the chipper can be local and flash it back, or get a spare ecu (best solution). when/if it dies put the stock ecu/program back on and let them deal with it.

Is that possible to get another ECU and switching it back and forth? Wouldn't the dealer know that the ECU has been swapped because the stock ECU may not show all driving record on how the car has been driven as.. and stuff like that?
BTW, how much is extended warranty? is it possible to get one even though I am not the original owner?

[DinoB]

If we wanted to be close to or with-in limits of what the TIP could handle, couldn't we get the CVT flash from GIAC or any chip tuner that offers lower torque.

[AudiGuy666]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
Absolutely Audi would have a very good case for denying a tranny warranty after being chipped. It can be pointed out that the 5-Speed (ZF Transmission: 5HP19FLA) Tip is rated only for only 310Nm of max torque, or 229lb/ft.

cheers! Mike

There are tip B6's out there with 300TQ..

[hyperplus]

When I slow down to make a right turn and start to accelerate up, I can feel that the gear shfting is pretty harsh not smoothe that it tilts my neck behind.

Maybe, since you feel it only during shifting try changing the snub mount (APR Snub mount < $50). I actually install mine today and the car's up/down shifting has become really smooth. Originally the impact I felt was jumpy like what you described.

Additionally, I got also a Neuspeed shortshifter and makes you really feel more aggressive while shifting vs the dancing stock shifter.

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by AudiGuy666
There are tip B6's out there with 300TQ..

Plenty of people running more tq than the tranny specifies as max limit. How long it will last and how well it performs that way is different. I believe Jared was already experiencing these limits and is looking towards better cooling or upgrading via level 10. cheers! Mike

[A4Jared]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
Plenty of people running more tq than the tranny specifies as max limit. How long it will last and how well it performs that way is different. I believe Jared was already experiencing these limits and is looking towards better cooling or upgrading via level 10. cheers! Mike

haha no doubt. You can have a 300tq TIP tranny, its just a matter of how long/driving style. I drive the shit outta my car and running Stage III for a couple weeks (i'm only including with modded exhaust here) I'm already having problems. Theoretically I should have close to 310 lb ft of tq, but i have no idea if i'm making that much or even if that much is being transferred to the wheels. uhh, bottom line, my tranny is in wicked bad shape and i'm most likely not getting the power that I should be.

[akinaboy]

Originally posted by hyperplus
Maybe, since you feel it only during shifting try changing the snub mount (APR Snub mount < $50). I actually install mine today and the car's up/down shifting has become really smooth. Originally the impact I felt was jumpy like what you described.

Additionally, I got also a Neuspeed shortshifter and makes you really feel more aggressive while shifting vs the dancing stock shifter.

Thanks for your input.
I assume that your is stick-shift as you said you got shortshifter. But, mine is auto-shift.
What is APR Snub mount anyways?

[cranch]

Originally posted by akinaboy
Thanks for your input.
I assume that your is stick-shift as you said you got shortshifter. But, mine is auto-shift.
What is APR Snub mount anyways?

http://goapr.com/Audi/products/engine_mount.html

Hopefully it works wonders as I ordered one yesterday.

[akinaboy]

Originally posted by cranch
http://goapr.com/Audi/products/engine_mount.html

Hopefully it works wonders as I ordered one yesterday.

Will you be doing the installation by yourself?
How hard would it be?
could you post some updated info later?

[bhvrdr]

A snub mount is a 30 minute install. They have great instructions you can download right on their site. It will not really help with the limits of a TIP though. cheers! Mike

[099-RBN]

Last I checked, ZF's website says 5HP19FLA good for 420 nm input torque. Thats 310 ft*lbs force.

[Howard Hughes]

I really don't even think it's our transmission....When I drive my car in whatever mode it may be, it feels like the torque converter is struggling to deal with the extra power, slowly putting it to the wheels and giving it un-optimal shifts.

I know S4 TIP owners have just changed out the converter with some success, I wonder if it would do the same for us.

[A4Jared]

Check again http://www.zf.com/MTAusgabe/appporta..._3_1_2_hdr_3_1

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by 099-RBN
Last I checked, ZF's website says 5HP19FLA good for 420 nm input torque. Thats 310 ft*lbs force.

Nope. You may have transcribed the information incorrectly. Take another gander. cheers! Mike

[099-RBN]

It did not take any transcription, see here:http://www.zf-group.com/pdf/5HP19FLA.pdf

Scroll down to "5HP19FLA Technical Information"

[pandaxprss]

ya it says 420 Nm which converts to 303.7469354103838 TQ

i dunno how true that is though

[A4Jared]

Guess my link didn't work. Check it

All of the 19s series handle Tq load of 300-310NM. It must be a typo on that PDF file.

1 NM = 0.737 lb-ft

300NM*0.737 lb-ft = 221.1 lb-ft

310NM*0.737 lb-ft = 228.5 lb-ft

[pandaxprss]

310nm which is 224.19416661242613 TQ
if thats so how are people runing larger injectors programs or even K04s

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by 099-RBN
It did not take any transcription, see here:http://www.zf-group.com/pdf/5HP19FLA.pdf

Scroll down to "5HP19FLA Technical Information"

Interesting...

I dont know why it lists it like this...



Here is the link...

http://www.zf.com/ZF_ProductDB/user/...e=5hp19fla.pdf

Not sure why this is.

cheers! Mike

[A4Jared]

Originally posted by pandaxprss
310nm which is 224.19416661242613 TQ
if thats so how are people runing larger injectors programs or even K04s

Ehh, I have a feeling that the power is not being transferred through the transmission to the wheels...I have a k04 on my tip, usually it feels no faster than a big injector a4 but once in a while I think I confuse the TCU and the car will be violently fast.

Also I've not seen any dynos for modded b6s that have tip transmissions.

[099-RBN]

I also noted on this ZF document .pdf, that the 5HP19FLA is used with the A6 2.7T, Allroad 2.7T, and the W8 Passat B5.
All of these motors should be pushing close to or more than 310 nm. See:http://www.zf-group.com/pdf/AppChartpasscartrans.pdf.

[pandaxprss]

Originally posted by 099-RBN
I also noted on this ZF document .pdf, that the 5HP19FLA is used with the A6 2.7T, Allroad 2.7T, and the W8 Passat B5.
All of these motors should be pushing close to or more than 310 nm. See:http://www.zf-group.com/pdf/AppChartpasscartrans.pdf.

i noticed that also

[Dwaller]

I'll have a dyno soon! I'm doing it on the 13th of november with german driver.I have a tip with Dahlback stg3+ on a 03 1.8 so far so good! I'm installing rs4 mounts and s4 tranny mounts with a Dahlback tip chip. After the dyno I'm sending my converter to leval10,then im getting my sw tweeked to bump up the trq.I'll keep you guy's posted.

[pandaxprss]

good luck on that i cant wait to see

[emulex]

anyone have a clue where you get warranted reman'd 1.8T quattro 02 tranny from?? i found one place on the web it was $6510 !! for one holy crap.

[A4Jared]

Phoenix transmissions sells rebuilt ones for $1200-1600, don't know if they're a good company or not but its worth checkin out.

[emulex]

http://www.europeantransmissions.com/eurotrans.htm

check out that place they sell the serial eeprom programmers to alter odomoter,immobilizer etc. pretty crazy. I guess a transmission is only as good as its warranty.

[akinaboy]

So.... how strong is our tranny?