Getting The Urge To Chip Her...

[BrewDude]

So here's the deal. Two years later and my 2013 allroad remains unchipped. I am close to the factory warranty running out so once I pass the factory warranty barrier the gloves are off...maybe.

The car was CPO'd by Audi until 100k miles, but I'm hearing rumors that's it's another entity that backs the warranty up until that 100k miles (not Audi per-say since it's deductible based), therefore the dreaded TD1 flag doesn't apply since it's not the factory 4yr/50k mile one.

Is this true?

[jmeenach]

This is new news to me. Someone please confirm.

[mjfloyd1]

I've not heard this but it would make sense to me that if your car is not TD1 by the Audi system, you could take it to an independent mechanic who wouldn't have the ability to scan it. You don't have to use Audi I believe .

[goreckless]

Who cares, tune the damn thing.

[wabbit23]

Who cares, tune the damn thing.

x2

My Avant was CPO'd and I tuned it with a year/30k miles left. Worth every penny considering how slow the heavy Avant is in stock form.

If you're worried about TD1 then just find a local APR/GIAC/Revo dealer that can remove the flash if you ever need to take it in.


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[ToddBrunswick]

If you're worried about TD1 then just find a local APR/GIAC/Revo dealer that can remove the flash if you ever need to take it in.


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[BrewDude]

x2

My Avant was CPO'd and I tuned it with a year/30k miles left. Worth every penny considering how slow the heavy Avant is in stock form.

If you're worried about TD1 then just find a local APR/GIAC/Revo dealer that can remove the flash if you ever need to take it in.



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Not really interested in paying a labor fee every single time to flash the car back to stock for warranty work.

I am however going to investigate this further. Usually don't trade my cars in, and even then if I did, it's still out of warranty for the dealer to do any type of work to it.

[itlnstallion818]

I thought they could tell if the car/ ECU had been manipulated/flashed even if you took it back to stock?

[4ringnut]

I thought they could tell if the car/ ECU had been manipulated/flashed even if you took it back to stock?

They 100% can. So for those of you who think you can avoid a TD1 by reflashing......you can't. Why? Because Audi of America now runs a backdoor scan when your car is plugged in at the dealer. The dealer has absolutely nothing to do with this. My service manager gave me the whole scoop. Apparently AOA realized that certain dealers wouldn't report TD1 to AOA, and would still do the warranty work regardless. So they decided to by pass the dealer in this process, and started running an automatic ecu scan when it's plugged in at any dealer, sending the info back to AOA. . But I just had my car in the dealer, and they didn't flag my car.........is what some of you will say. Guess what, you've been flagged, but the dealer won't tell you about it unless the car needs warranty work that would be related to the TD1. In which case you'll say, but my car is not tuned bro. And they will give you the AOA number to call. Enjoy.

[Project Quattro]

I believe that the CPO is backed by Audi. TD1 definitely applies, a service advisor told me as much.


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[b6Hate4]

Just tune it.

[AllroadCorbin]

They 100% can. So for those of you who think you can avoid a TD1 by reflashing......you can't. Why? Because Audi of America now runs a backdoor scan when your car is plugged in at the dealer. The dealer has absolutely nothing to do with this. My service manager gave me the whole scoop. Apparently AOA realized that certain dealers wouldn't report TD1 to AOA, and would still do the warranty work regardless. So they decided to by pass the dealer in this process, and started running an automatic ecu scan when it's plugged in at any dealer, sending the info back to AOA. . But I just had my car in the dealer, and they didn't flag my car.........is what some of you will say. Guess what, you've been flagged, but the dealer won't tell you about it unless the car needs warranty work that would be related to the TD1. In which case you'll say, but my car is not tuned bro. And they will give you the AOA number to call. Enjoy.

This isn't necessarily true. You can avoid TD1 by flashing back to FULL STOCK, not stock mode. It worked for me 4 times at the dealer. My Allroad has been APR tuned for 55,000 miles. When you flash the car back to stock, the APR dealer can reset your flash counter. Some may say that a reset flash counter makes a car TD1 but that's just false. Something as simple as unplugging the battery to do stereo work can reset this. When you bring your car into the dealer for anything they run something called spec-actual....this means they plug your cars OBDII port into their audi diagnostic system to check for any faults, recalls, service campaigns, and to ensure that all ECM parameters are the same as they were from the factory. If any parameter is different, then a TD1 flag is automatically placed on your cars VIN. TD1 can also happen manually.... Some dealers are very strict about any type of modification to your car and its up the the shop to decide if they will manually flag you for something....some dealers have been known to flag for something as simple as an intake. You can't blame them though because they're in the business of making money. If they can find a way to reduce their financial liability, they will. I am friends with the shop foreman and a few SA's at my local dealer (who also tuned their A4s) so they told me all the ways around it. I also worked at an Audi dealer during college as a Sales Associate. Every dealer is different, but if your dealer is chill then you can often just ask your service advisor to not plug your car in when they're doing things like oil changes/ tire rotations. But as a rule of thumb, yes you can avoid TD1 on a simple stage 1 car if your tuner flashes to full stock and resets the counter. I did not have TD1 on my car until 75,000 miles at which point I stopped caring since their was no remaining coverage on the car. Usually you pay to play, but you can easily get away with it on a stage 1 car with no other mods

TD1 is probably the most beat to death topic on this entire site. Search audizine for it and just browse what others have to say/ have experienced

[b6onboost]

This is my understanding as well.

Just because the CPO warranty has a deductible doesn't mean its some 3rd party aftermarket warranty not administered by Audi. If you read the CPO warranty I believe it has voiding clauses for tuning and modification just like the manufacturer warranty.

I believe that the CPO is backed by Audi. TD1 definitely applies.

[dennisA4]

Certified Pre-Owned cars have to meet certain criteria specified by Audi to be certified. The cream of the crop of their used vehicles. It's most definitely Audi approved and backed.
An individual dealer may decide to offer a regular extended warranty with the car, which would be third party.

[b6onboost]

In theory, yes. However many people have purchased CPO cars and shortly after found that there was essentially no way the car could have legitimately passed the CPO inspection. Dealers often make higher margins on CPO cars so the inspection can be fudged. CPO should really only be thought of as a factory extended warranty, not a certification of the cars' condition.

Certified Pre-Owned cars have to meet certain criteria specified by Audi to be certified. The cream of the crop of their used vehicles.

[wabbit23]

They 100% can. So for those of you who think you can avoid a TD1 by reflashing......you can't. Why? Because Audi of America now runs a backdoor scan when your car is plugged in at the dealer. The dealer has absolutely nothing to do with this. My service manager gave me the whole scoop. Apparently AOA realized that certain dealers wouldn't report TD1 to AOA, and would still do the warranty work regardless. So they decided to by pass the dealer in this process, and started running an automatic ecu scan when it's plugged in at any dealer, sending the info back to AOA. . But I just had my car in the dealer, and they didn't flag my car.........is what some of you will say. Guess what, you've been flagged, but the dealer won't tell you about it unless the car needs warranty work that would be related to the TD1. In which case you'll say, but my car is not tuned bro. And they will give you the AOA number to call. Enjoy.

My car was in and out of the dealer several times for multiple things from bad motor mount (covered and replaced) and a full on troubleshooting of a transmission/fueling hesitation issue that they weren't able to diagnose even with reports being sent to AOA techs. Im sure my car wouldve been flagged for TD1 somewhere in the almost two weeks that my car was in and out of the dealer for that issue alone. There were multiple times when my car was scanned and reports were forwarded and still nothing. It very well could be that I have an awesome dealership and they may have somehow gone out of their way to protect a customer, but I highly doubt that.


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[ModdedEuros]

x2

My Avant was CPO'd and I tuned it with a year/30k miles left. Worth every penny considering how slow the heavy Avant is in stock form.

If you're worried about TD1 then just find a local APR/GIAC/Revo dealer that can remove the flash if you ever need to take it in.


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Can also just flash yourself via UniConnect+ and Unitronic software than flash to stock right at home. We do all our cars here. Showcase it in our recent mk7 project car series. Although not a B8 gives you an idea how easy it is
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...1L2OWtcQigzvoQ

Unitronic UniConnect+ Programming Tool


https://www.moddedeuros.com/products...tool-uh008-tla

[wabbit23]

In theory, yes. However many people have purchased CPO cars and shortly after found that there was essentially no way the car could have legitimately passed the CPO inspection. Dealers often make higher margins on CPO cars so the inspection can be fudged. CPO should really only be thought of as a factory extended warranty, not a certification of the cars' condition.

X2
My car was CPO'd with numerous problems that the dealership checked off as passing on my inspection form. Unfortunately, Audi is nowhere near as stringent as BMW or Mercedes when it comes to certifying their cars.


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[JeriQo]

if its under warranty, why risk it? thats thousands youre flushing down the drain.
ive never seen anyone go "yes! im TD1d"

it not anymore, go for it.

[LINDW4LL]

This post has a lot of misinformation.

You're correct that the Audi dealer has no discretion in TD1s being issued for modified ECU software if the car is plugged in. You're also correct in that Audi's computers run a spec/actual scan when the car is plugged in, and that you will receive a TD1 flag if you are tuned, or tuned but in "stock mode"

However, if your car has been flashed back to the stock file by APR/GIAC dealer, and the flash counter has been reset, you will not be flagged TD1 (for now)

They 100% can. So for those of you who think you can avoid a TD1 by reflashing......you can't. Why? Because Audi of America now runs a backdoor scan when your car is plugged in at the dealer. The dealer has absolutely nothing to do with this. My service manager gave me the whole scoop. Apparently AOA realized that certain dealers wouldn't report TD1 to AOA, and would still do the warranty work regardless. So they decided to by pass the dealer in this process, and started running an automatic ecu scan when it's plugged in at any dealer, sending the info back to AOA. . But I just had my car in the dealer, and they didn't flag my car.........is what some of you will say. Guess what, you've been flagged, but the dealer won't tell you about it unless the car needs warranty work that would be related to the TD1. In which case you'll say, but my car is not tuned bro. And they will give you the AOA number to call. Enjoy.

[AllroadCorbin]

Can also just flash yourself via UniConnect+ and Unitronic software than flash to stock right at home. We do all our cars here. Showcase it in our recent mk7 project car series. Although not a B8 gives you an idea how easy it is
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...1L2OWtcQigzvoQ

Unitronic UniConnect+ Programming Tool


https://www.moddedeuros.com/products...tool-uh008-tla

UniConnect is such a great idea. I wish GIAC or APR had this. I can switch maps from my Phone with APR but I can't flash the car back to FULL stock....just stock mode.... which isn't even close to stock. That said I heard of some guy who's wifi/ power cut out mid file upload and his ECU shit the bed. Scary thought haha

[JeriQo]

Can also just flash yourself via UniConnect+ and Unitronic software than flash to stock right at home. We do all our cars here. Showcase it in our recent mk7 project car series. Although not a B8 gives you an idea how easy it is
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...1L2OWtcQigzvoQ

Unitronic UniConnect+ Programming Tool


https://www.moddedeuros.com/products...tool-uh008-tla

what if somehow the car gets td1'd using this. what would you do for the consumer?

[ModdedEuros]

UniConnect is such a great idea. I wish GIAC or APR had this. I can switch maps from my Phone with APR but I can't flash the car back to FULL stock....just stock mode.... which isn't even close to stock. That said I heard of some guy who's wifi/ power cut out mid file upload and his ECU shit the bed. Scary thought haha

Why just GIAC and APR and not Unitronic which lets you actually flash back to stock

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what if somehow the car gets td1'd using this. what would you do for the consumer?

There are no warranties for td1 which is the same for every tuning company out there as well as every piggyback. They all have it in their terms and conditions

[AllroadCorbin]

[QUOTE=ModdedEuros;11337855]Why just GIAC and APR and not Unitronic which lets you actually flash back to stock

Because I've raced a B8 A4 with Unitronic stage 2 software in my APR Allroad wagon which 300 lbs heavier and I was multiple car lengths ahead. I was actually very surprised how much quicker mine was off the line and I continued to pull away...multiple times. That said I haven't heard of anybody not liking their Uni software....heard nothing but good things.

[4ringnut]

My car was in and out of the dealer several times for multiple things from bad motor mount (covered and replaced) and a full on troubleshooting of a transmission/fueling hesitation issue that they weren't able to diagnose even with reports being sent to AOA techs. Im sure my car wouldve been flagged for TD1 somewhere in the almost two weeks that my car was in and out of the dealer for that issue alone. There were multiple times when my car was scanned and reports were forwarded and still nothing. It very well could be that I have an awesome dealership and they may have somehow gone out of their way to protect a customer, but I highly doubt that.


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How long ago? I'm just sharing the info I was given by the manager, he has no reason to lie about it. He straight up told me that they would never report their customers before AOA started their own scan. Either way, if you want to play, you better be ready to pay.

[ModdedEuros]

[QUOTE=AllroadCorbin;11337872]

Why just GIAC and APR and not Unitronic which lets you actually flash back to stock

Because I've raced a B8 A4 with Unitronic stage 2 software in my APR Allroad wagon which 300 lbs heavier and I was multiple car lengths ahead. I was actually very surprised how much quicker mine was off the line and I continued to pull away...multiple times. That said I haven't heard of anybody not liking their Uni software....heard nothing but good things.

really cannot compare highway pulls against another driver. should check it out as like you said nothing but good things about Uni. not only safe reliable tunes unlike a few other options out there but also their customer service is awesome.

hope to have some more content around various tuning options and pros/cons on our site soon

[wabbit23]

Less than a year ago. It could be that my dealer is more lenient than others but I even had the HFC on when they replaced the motor mount and I had no issues then.


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[adamazing]

So, on a slightly related topic - and in this case, APR Specific:

When you flash an APR tune, who actually holds your stock file? The dealer shop, or APR?

Example: my car was tuned by Eurocode. Can I retrieve my stock file from Pure Motorsports via APR's server/network? Or is the file held exclusively in Eurocode's possession?

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[BaysideS4]

Who cares, tune the damn thing.

Ditto. How can you have a FI Audi without mods? It's a part of the entire experience! Stock Audi's truly suck. Sorry, truth. But you have to be prepared to pay to play.

[BrewDude]

Ditto. How can you have a FI Audi without mods? It's a part of the entire experience! Stock Audi's truly suck. Sorry, truth. But you have to be prepared to pay to play.

Don't tell me anything about "pay to play" . That's why I have this and its 450hp to play with, and I've lost track of how much I've paid in the last 12 years of ownership.





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[b6onboost]

sure

Stock Audi's truly suck. Sorry, truth.

[Hagasan41]

Don't tell me anything about "pay to play" . That's why I have this and its 450hp to play with, and I've lost track of how much I've paid in the last 12 years of ownership.





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Sweet R32! Those things are amazing!

For us gearheads any stock vechicle sucks, but we also know from expereice not every mod makes it better. Personally, I've always favorved the OEM plus approach with mods that are high quality and specfic to the vehicle. I swore I wasn't going to mod the A4 but... I'm considering a tune as well on my '15 but the info on this board is all over the place regarding TD1. I say for you pull the trigger AFTER the warranty expires. That R32 would keep me happy for sure!

[JeriQo]

i didnt get b8 to go fast.. its more for the luxury aspect of it

[ranchos]

Can also just flash yourself via UniConnect+ and Unitronic software than flash to stock right at home. We do all our cars here. Showcase it in our recent mk7 project car series. Although not a B8 gives you an idea how easy it is
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...1L2OWtcQigzvoQ

Unitronic UniConnect+ Programming Tool


https://www.moddedeuros.com/products...tool-uh008-tla

That unitronic at home looks great. Any pitfalls? Can you accidentally pull the USB mid-update and fry your ECU? My warranty is nearly done and I'm going to give 'er a little tune.

[ModdedEuros]

That unitronic at home looks great. Any pitfalls? Can you accidentally pull the USB mid-update and fry your ECU? My warranty is nearly done and I'm going to give 'er a little tune.

You need to maintain connection until completed which takes about 20mins or so

[John@Unitronic]

That unitronic at home looks great. Any pitfalls? Can you accidentally pull the USB mid-update and fry your ECU? My warranty is nearly done and I'm going to give 'er a little tune.

It's physically possible to disconnect the cable from the USB port of the computer or OBD-2 port of the vehicle, but you will want to make sure you do everything possible to avoid that from accidentally happening. IF it does happen, it doesn't fry the ECU and recovery options are available. We ensure that users are fully informed throughout the process. Thanks for considering Unitronic!

[Shimmy]

It's physically possible to disconnect the cable from the USB port of the computer or OBD-2 port of the vehicle, but it doesn't fry the ECU and recovery options are available. We ensure that users are fully informed throughout the process. Thanks for considering Unitronic!

Does your tune flash back to a real stock tune and not just "stock mode?" Reason I ask is because I was told that my ECU has to be bench flashed for the initial tune, then after uniconnect is capable. This information led me to believe its not a true flash back to stock if I need.

[wabbit23]

Don't tell me anything about "pay to play" . That's why I have this and its 450hp to play with, and I've lost track of how much I've paid in the last 12 years of ownership.





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Clean .:R

I started searching for one again. Built this one up with the intentions of keeping it til it died, but was forced to sell it at the last minute. By far, my favorite car. I roll down my windows, turn off any music and wait for that glorious wookie sound whenever I see one on the road.




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[Project Quattro]

Clean .:R

I started searching for one again. Built this one up with the intentions of keeping it til it died, but was forced to sell it at the last minute. By far, my favorite car. I roll down my windows, turn off any music and wait for that glorious wookie sound whenever I see one on the road.

Buddy of mine has one of those, bone stock mechanically except for the exhaust flapper mod. Once that mod is done they sound like an Italian super car, no joke.




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