'13 S4 - Ordered Wheels and Tires - Need Opinions!

[pdxprospect]

First off, I will admit this is my first post in this forum and I apologize to doing it wrong, in the wrong section or anything of the such. If so, please let me know. Thank you.

Second, I am new to mods to cars including tires and wheels. I have always kept my cars (at least my Audis) fairly stock.

So here is my current dilemma:
I wanted new wheels and tires, did some research and pulled the trigger on Avant Garde M590 20x10 et 35 with Michelin PSS 255/30/20.







The thing now is the gap is very large and (as it stands) it def requires lowering, which I have considered doing with the H&R OE springs for 1.2 all around. I am slightly concerned this is going to impact my driving as this is an everyday driver for me.

To get to a point, my question right now:
Which size tire?
The 255/30/20 seems super stretched. But, I was told by my tire/wheel rep that if I went wider, say 265, it would rub as it sits stock. But, I also like the look of sidewall.

UPDATE:
Lowered my car with H&R Sport springs


Then got wheels installed.



Have had no rubbing at all and am very pleased with the turnout.

[Reddington]

There are 2 posts that are stickied in this forum. Read those. They hold the answers

[StealthBlackA4]

Have you ever heard of the Rubicon trail?? I bet you could out wheel a bunch of Jeeps with that setup!! Lol.

All kidding aside, I believe a few members on here have gone 275s. I personally would worry about rubbing, that's why I'm just running my 255s stretched on my HREs (mostly because it looks cool). If you need some brand new H&R OE Sport Springs, I'm your guy :)

Now the more educated members on here can chime in and give you a real answer! Haha. Looks sick, man! Enjoy.

[pdxprospect]

There are 2 posts that are stickied in this forum. Read those. They hold the answers

Thanks for the response.
I read as much as I could before posting, but wanted some specific solutions as I need to make a decision on tires by tuesday.

Have you ever heard of the Rubicon trail?? I bet you could out wheel a bunch of Jeeps with that setup!! Lol.

All kidding aside, I believe a few members on here have gone 275s. I personally would worry about rubbing, that's why I'm just running my 255s stretched on my HREs (mostly because it looks cool). If you need some brand new H&R OE Sport Springs, I'm your guy :)

Now the more educated members on here can chime in and give you a real answer! Haha. Looks sick, man! Enjoy.

Thanks for the response and compliment.
Do 265 have a stretch also? Would it rub with OE springs?

[GRUMPY-S4]

I have stretched 255 on 9.5 wheels and hate it! The wobble on lane changes irritates me. 265 is the best choice

20x10's is tooo big for this car IMO

[pdxprospect]

I have stretched 255 on 9.5 wheels and hate it! The wobble on lane changes irritates me. 265 is the best choice

Thanks. Seems like 265 is a good medium for it.

It did appear the amount of tread hitting get the pavement was much smaller on the 255.

Do you have any thoughts on lowering with this setup?

[GRUMPY-S4]

Im lowered and am sure the 265 will not rub. ET42 and its perfectly flush

[pdxprospect]

Im lowered and am sure the 265 will not rub. ET42 and its perfectly flush

Thanks for the input.

Did you do OE or sport springs?
I understand, but will the 10" wheels make a difference and kick the tire out closer to fender? It seems close.

Also, will lowering change camber? I'm assuming a little, but curious how noticable.

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[GRUMPY-S4]

Im running Coilovers... Yes lowering will change camber. Ive read that OE is the way to go with using Springs

[pdxprospect]

Im running Coilovers... Yes lowering will change camber. Ive read that OE is the way to go with using Springs

Your time is appreciated. Thanks.

[GRUMPY-S4]

I think you may be able to run OE Springs and 265 tires and not rub

[pdxprospect]

Can anyone confirm this?
Anyone running 20×10 265/30/20 with OE springs?

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[MrFunk]

I'm running 20x9 255/30/20 with 12mm spacers lowered on HR OE's. No rubbing at all.

It's hard to say if you will have rubbing issues with 265 tires without your wheel offset information... from the pics those look like quite a flush offset... I'd lower it for sure though, looks odd with that gap. I'd recommend keeping the 255's for now. Lower, measure how much space you have... if you have 1/4 inch then go with 265's.

I would highly recommend not only doing springs though but also doing proper shocks. Springs alone are a bit bouncy.

[Sp149]

Is it too late to switch to 19s? The wheel gap wont change the fact that the rims look too big for the car IMO.

[pdxprospect]

Is it too late to switch to 19s? The wheel gap wont change the fact that the rims look too big for the car IMO.

No, unfortunately not.
Stocks are 19's. Was trying to go bigger.
Oh well.

[jran76]

No, unfortunately not.
Stocks are 19's. Was trying to go bigger.
Oh well.

What's the wheel offset? They look like an ET35, but we can't tell you anything without the wheel offset. You'll get a lot of wild guesses.... Here's mine.

If they are ET35, that is a really aggressive offset for a 10" wheel, and you'd have a good chance of some minor rubbing even with the 255/30 when you lower it. A 265 would definitely rub. A 275 is out of the question without having to do some fender work.

In general, a 10" wheel has a really small window that you can fit with being rub free on a 255 tire. I normally recommend an ET39 to ET42 on a 10" wheel with a 255 tire. A 265 is a tight squeeze on a 10" wheel in any offset. You'd need something like an ET42 or ET43 offset to have any chance of putting a 265 on without rubbing (even then, there is a decent chance). That's the highest offset you can go on a 10" wheel and safely clear the front suspension. All this is not going to be helped by the fact that the Michelin PSS runs pretty wide for its size.

I agree with where you are going with this. Aggressive 10" wheels need to either be on a slammed car, or they need a lot more meat on the tire than a 255 to pull it off. Unfortunately, tire options on 10" wheels are pretty limited. Unfortunately, your wheel/tire rep is right, but he probably should have explained that to you before you mounted the wheels/tires. Your best option is either to cut bait and go with a different setup now, or lower it and deal with the stretch (and possible chance of some rubbing).

[pdxprospect]

What's the wheel offset? They look like an ET35, but we can't tell you anything without the wheel offset. You'll get a lot of wild guesses.... Here's mine.

If they are ET35, that is a really aggressive offset for a 10" wheel, and you'd have a good chance of some minor rubbing even with the 255/30 when you lower it. A 265 would definitely rub. A 275 is out of the question without having to do some fender work.

In general, a 10" wheel has a really small window that you can fit with being rub free on a 255 tire. I normally recommend an ET39 to ET42 on a 10" wheel with a 255 tire. A 265 is a tight squeeze on a 10" wheel in any offset. You'd need something like an ET42 or ET43 offset to have any chance of putting a 265 on without rubbing (even then, there is a decent chance). That's the highest offset you can go on a 10" wheel and safely clear the front suspension. All this is not going to be helped by the fact that the Michelin PSS runs pretty wide for its size.

I agree with where you are going with this. Aggressive 10" wheels need to either be on a slammed car, or they need a lot more meat on the tire than a 255 to pull it off. Unfortunately, tire options on 10" wheels are pretty limited. Unfortunately, your wheel/tire rep is right, but he probably should have explained that to you before you mounted the wheels/tires. Your best option is either to cut bait and go with a different setup now, or lower it and deal with the stretch (and possible chance of some rubbing).

Great feedback, thank you.
Yeah, prolly not going to cut bait, so gonna make the best of it.
Would anyone ever consider going 265 and NOT lowering it?
Would that still look out of place?

Yes, if I stick with 255, I will def lower.
Based upon the amount of stretch the 255 has, it seems like a 265 on the 10" would still have some stretch to it...just not as much.


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[MrFunk]

Great feedback, thank you.
Yeah, prolly not going to cut bait, so gonna make the best of it.
Would anyone ever consider going 265 and NOT lowering it?
Would that still look out of place?

Yes, if I stick with 255, I will def lower.
Based upon the amount of stretch the 255 has, it seems like a 265 on the 10" would still have some stretch to it...just not as much.


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You will still have that big gap with 265's on OE height. 20's need a drop.

[jran76]

Great feedback, thank you.
Yeah, prolly not going to cut bait, so gonna make the best of it.
Would anyone ever consider going 265 and NOT lowering it?
Would that still look out of place?

Yes, if I stick with 255, I will def lower.
Based upon the amount of stretch the 255 has, it seems like a 265 on the 10" would still have some stretch to it...just not as much.


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You will still have that big gap with 265's on OE height. 20's need a drop.

Agreed. Aggressive 20" wheels need lowering for sure. That would be any aggressive offset or wide wheel/stretch. You have both going on, and I don't see any way to make it look good without lowering it. If you are willing to deal with some rubbing, you could do the 265, but you need to be prepared for that if you go that route.

[Okan509]

oh lord, stock looks so much better than this.

[torinalth]

seriously, I know it sucks, but instead of new tires I'd consider selling and starting new. live and learn in my opinion. go back to 19s, and go 9.5 at most for width. as the first mod i dont see this ending well especially if you already dont like the look and need to change tires at the onset.

EDIT: you can run 275s but it requires stretching the fenders and rolling the inside as well. but even then it needs a 40+ offset. track down a member on here. monsoon something.... he did it and explained about it. but he had to run super low offset and pull and roll the fenders.

[Batman0424]

You might be better off selling these and dropping back to a 19. From what I gather here, you def need to lower your car to resolve the larger gap. However, you still might be stuck stretching 255s due to the width of the wheel.


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[cspcrx]

Did they recommend them or did you come to them with the wheel specs? If they told you this was the right fit you may be able to have them swap to some 19s or another offset.

[rtl5009]

Is that still lifted up by the lift? If not those look terrible.

[eurotic]

I have stretched 255 on 9.5 wheels and hate it! The wobble on lane changes irritates me. 265 is the best choice

20x10's is tooo big for this car IMO

The wobble? Theoretically a stretched tire will be more stable than something more square. A couple of performance articles say to run a rim width 1" larger than the tread width.

I agree that I don't like the looks of a stretched tire but it appears that they are supposed to perform better. Assuming of course it isn't a crazy stretch.

[14S4GWM]

Did you research at all before purchasing?

[pdxprospect]

Yes, I did reasearch.
I was aware 19x9.5 is ideal fit for my car.
Of course, whether right or wrong, part of my decision was the wheel and a 20, which either came as a 8.5 or 10.
Asked my rep if this would fit and he called two of his manufacturers/distributors and they stated this would be the right size tire for this rim and it would fit even with a 1.2 lowering.

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[torinalth]

and i'm betting they are wrong. maybe its the angle but it looks like the outside of the rim is outside of the fender. drop it 1.2 and you will rub on turns or bumps. Your call bud. if you like it, then leave it as is, but honestly fixing it with tires is not a real fix. being honest. if you want 20s, then you need to decide if you want to keep the 20s, or if you were indeed sold the wrong fitment (I think you were). if you wanted 20" VMR sells very similar wheels at 20x9.5 with a much better offset for our cars. Honestly I think you just got sold. there are much better alternatives than just keeping wheels that are not ideal for your vehicle. Between the offset and size I really doubt that they looked anything up. it just looks wrong in every aspect of the scenario. I'd return the wheels, get a proper size and offset (keep the 20 if you want, but get a slimmer width and a more correct offset)

side note: a LOT of the AZ crew, especially in the S4 forum, are extremely harsh... since this is your first post I figured I should prepare you for the future. don't let it get to you, just realize you need to expect 75% hate and 25% useful information.

[s4buckeye]

maybe its the angle but it looks like the outside of the rim is outside of the fender. drop it 1.2 and you will rub on turns or bumps. Your call bud.

side note: a LOT of the AZ crew, especially in the S4 forum, are extremely harsh... since this is your first post I figured I should prepare you for the future. don't let it get to you, just realize you need to expect 75% hate and 25% useful information.

this and this.



drop it, test for rubbing and u will be fine if no rubs but I am guessing you will rub with that setup from those pics.

if you still do not like the look, keep the drop, sell the wheels/tires for a 25% loss and get a 19" setup that you like with the drop.




/thread

[pdxprospect]

this and this.



drop it, test for rubbing and u will be fine if no rubs but I am guessing you will rub with that setup from those pics.

if you still do not like the look, keep the drop, sell the wheels/tires for a 25% loss and get a 19" setup that you like with the drop.




/thread

Will do. As this was just fitment for a summer set, I have time.
I'm considering dropping it now, maybe go back in for another fitment and see. Either way, as a second set, I'm not as in dire need. Plus, summer is only about 10 weeks long anyways here in the PNW.

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[pdxprospect]

and i'm betting they are wrong. maybe its the angle but it looks like the outside of the rim is outside of the fender. drop it 1.2 and you will rub on turns or bumps. Your call bud. if you like it, then leave it as is, but honestly fixing it with tires is not a real fix. being honest. if you want 20s, then you need to decide if you want to keep the 20s, or if you were indeed sold the wrong fitment (I think you were). if you wanted 20" VMR sells very similar wheels at 20x9.5 with a much better offset for our cars. Honestly I think you just got sold. there are much better alternatives than just keeping wheels that are not ideal for your vehicle. Between the offset and size I really doubt that they looked anything up. it just looks wrong in every aspect of the scenario. I'd return the wheels, get a proper size and offset (keep the 20 if you want, but get a slimmer width and a more correct offset)

side note: a LOT of the AZ crew, especially in the S4 forum, are extremely harsh... since this is your first post I figured I should prepare you for the future. don't let it get to you, just realize you need to expect 75% hate and 25% useful information.

Thanks.
My bad for asking for opinions.
Everyone is entitled to give them, but not all are needed or helpful.
Is what it is and I'm okay with that.

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[Mops@Nemesis]

Congrats on the car, and welcome. I love the Ice cars! What is the offset on these?

[pdxprospect]

Congrats on the car, and welcome. I love the Ice cars! What is the offset on these?

Thanks.
You know, I'm not sure offset, but can find out tomorrow.

[Mops@Nemesis]

There is a 10" ET25 and 10" ET35. I assume ET35. It's been done. I think with a 30-32mm drop, you can make it work. If they were mine, I'd shave a few mm's off the mount pad too.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...M510-Installed!

[pdxprospect]

What's the wheel offset? They look like an ET35, but we can't tell you anything without the wheel offset. You'll get a lot of wild guesses.... Here's mine.

If they are ET35, that is a really aggressive offset for a 10" wheel, and you'd have a good chance of some minor rubbing even with the 255/30 when you lower it. A 265 would definitely rub. A 275 is out of the question without having to do some fender work.

In general, a 10" wheel has a really small window that you can fit with being rub free on a 255 tire. I normally recommend an ET39 to ET42 on a 10" wheel with a 255 tire. A 265 is a tight squeeze on a 10" wheel in any offset. You'd need something like an ET42 or ET43 offset to have any chance of putting a 265 on without rubbing (even then, there is a decent chance). That's the highest offset you can go on a 10" wheel and safely clear the front suspension. All this is not going to be helped by the fact that the Michelin PSS runs pretty wide for its size.

I agree with where you are going with this. Aggressive 10" wheels need to either be on a slammed car, or they need a lot more meat on the tire than a 255 to pull it off. Unfortunately, tire options on 10" wheels are pretty limited. Unfortunately, your wheel/tire rep is right, but he probably should have explained that to you before you mounted the wheels/tires. Your best option is either to cut bait and go with a different setup now, or lower it and deal with the stretch (and possible chance of some rubbing).

I just confirmed, wheel offset is e35.
How do you think this should impact my decision?
Can/should I run 265 with this?

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[Brother Owl]

Ouch. Wrong offset and/or width. If the vendor told you that was right, they were wrong and should replace with a different set. Maybe get some bags and #stance it up? Nice rims though

[pdxprospect]

Ouch. Wrong offset and/or width. If the vendor told you that was right, they were wrong and should replace with a different set. Maybe get some bags and #stance it up? Nice rims though

Thanks.
I'm told by my rep 25 and 35 were only options.
Thinking of just lowering and finding out.

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[jran76]

I just confirmed, wheel offset is e35.
How do you think this should impact my decision?
Can/should I run 265 with this?

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The 265 will likely rub. There's a chance the 255 could rub a little, so I definitely wouldn't go wider until you know how that works out.

Lowering it should help the look. I'd start with that and go from there. You already have the 255's on, so you should be able to get an idea if you can go wider based on those.

[pdxprospect]

The 265 will likely rub. There's a chance the 255 could rub a little, so I definitely wouldn't go wider until you know how that works out.

Lowering it should help the look. I'd start with that and go from there. You already have the 255's on, so you should be able to get an idea if you can go wider based on those.

Thanks for the response. It is much appreciated.

[VMRWheels]

We recommend 20x9 ET35. This seems to be a good size to avoid rubbing and still look flush: