Leasing S4 or....

[occman]

im looking to lease a car for the first time.

i found a 2016 S4 MT that i really like. but i was wondering if there is anything i should know before pulling the trigger

I am also considering 340i X - but i most likely wont go that way

[doug97gxe]

some good reading

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-instead-of-S4


oh BTW the BMW AWD System doesn't compare to the Audi .. so if that's one of your bigger selling points.. even though the S4 may cost you more.. its better value

[hotleadsingergu]

some good reading

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-instead-of-S4


oh BTW the BMW AWD System doesn't compare to the Audi .. so if that's one of your bigger selling points.. even though the S4 may cost you more.. its better value

This. If you haven't driven a RWD car in winter time...they're a bit rough without dedicated snow tires. In any case, BMW's X-Drive system is nowhere near as good as Quattro. It's a huge difference, no matter what BMW fans will tell you. Driving them side by side, one is a clear winner.

[blueberryjones]

You can get amazing deals on S4's right now just because they are the last model year of the b8.5. I was able to lease my MY2015 at $599 a month. If there are a couple of audi dealers in your area, really make them work against another. Get all your offers on paper, show them to other dealers and you'll be surprised just how low they will go.

As others have said, BMW's XDrive is far more soft than Audi's Quattro. However, BMW's are FAR easier to lease than an Audi. BMW allows you to put 7 monthly payments down (or at least I thought they did) as a security deposit which lowers your monthly payment substantially--and you will still get this money back at the end of lease.

[Thurston]

im looking to lease a car for the first time.

i found a 2016 S4 MT that i really like. but i was wondering if there is anything i should know before pulling the trigger

I am also considering 340i X

there is also possibility of saving some money and getting the a4 or 328i X

I really don't think you will regret getting the S4 (provided the payments are not to burdensome) but I do think you could potentially regret the a4 / 328i but who knows. I've never leased because I am always afraid 12k miles will not be enough and that proved true for me this year as I put more than 15k on my S4 before one year of ownership - i've really got to drive my wifes car for the road trips from now on.

[occman]

You can get amazing deals on S4's right now just because they are the last model year of the b8.5. I was able to lease my MY2015 at $599 a month. If there are a couple of audi dealers in your area, really make them work against another. Get all your offers on paper, show them to other dealers and you'll be surprised just how low they will go.

As others have said, BMW's XDrive is far more soft than Audi's Quattro. However, BMW's are FAR easier to lease than an Audi. BMW allows you to put 7 monthly payments down (or at least I thought they did) as a security deposit which lowers your monthly payment substantially--and you will still get this money back at the end of lease.

what would you say is a good deal,

for the one that i was looking at it was marked at is a 2016 and little under 55000, and after negotiating i think the price is at around 47,xxx
after my trade in (03 G35) and $1800 down - the payments came out to about $460

[MrFunk]

First choose the car you WANT. Test drive them etc... whatever your criteria is, sort it out... if it's the BWM then go for it. If it's the S4 then go for it. If you don't care and it's just a car then buy a Camri or Accord....
As far as anything you should know...? Not really - but spend some time reading through the forum and you'll get an idea of what's what. This platform as been mostly very reliable...

[bpang1]

I will note that all the major car mags are pretty down on the 340i...it is even less "BMW" than before. If I were buying a BMW it would have to be the upcoming M2 or at a minimum the M235i. The problem is that BMW is trying to become all things to all people and it is losing it's sporting identity.

Hell my neighbor is a dealership GM for a big dealership group (they have BMW, Chevy, Mercedes, Chrysler/Fiat/Alfa/Jeep/Dodge and Subaru) and he even told me that he doesn't like BMWs anymore because of this.

[Dr GP]

There are probably less than 40 2016 s4s with a MT available in the entire USA right now. If you want a MT(and they are not making any more) I suggest you grab it. Traditionally, BMW's lease for less than comparable Audis because BMW artificially sets the residual higher than Audi. living in Phila, the difference in the performance between Quattro and X drive are inconsequential in our area. Both will work well enough as long as you have winter or A/s tires on the car

[occman]

There are probably less than 40 2016 s4s with a MT available in the entire USA right now. If you want a MT(and they are not making any more) I suggest you grab it. Traditionally, BMW's lease for less than comparable Audis because BMW artificially sets the residual higher than Audi. living in Phila, the difference in the performance between Quattro and X drive are inconsequential in our area. Both will work well enough as long as you have winter or A/s tires on the car

I was at CES last week and i was looking at the b9 a4 - the Audi rep there straight from Germany told me there will be MT for both the a4 and s4. He also said he was surprised becase i was the 3rd person to ask him and he thought people in america didnt like Manual transmission cars

[poops]

Very interested in the feedback from this thread... In the Chicago area, I'm having a hell of a time finding what I consider to be an affordable lease on a '15 or '16 S4. The quotes I'm getting for 10k/year, 36 mos with $0 down are in the $800 range. As much as i would like to drive one of these, no way I'm paying that much...

[occman]

Very interested in the feedback from this thread... In the Chicago area, I'm having a hell of a time finding what I consider to be an affordable lease on a '15 or '16 S4. The quotes I'm getting for 10k/year, 36 mos with $0 down are in the $800 range. As much as i would like to drive one of these, no way I'm paying that much...

what was msrp of the car and how did you bring it down too?

the one i am looking at was 55k sticker and i got it to 47k - i am wondering if that a good deal.
after my trade in (03 G35) and $1800 down - the payments came out to about $460

[poops]

what was msrp of the car and how did you bring it down too?

the one i am looking at was 55k sticker and i got it to 47k - i am wondering if that a good deal.
after my trade in (03 G35) and $1800 down - the payments came out to about $460

MSRP for the cars I'm considering are in the $55K-$58K range. I've negotiated sales price down to ~$49K-$50K. However, I'm not putting any $$ down.

What is the residual and money factor you're being quoted?

[adk_audi]

I was at CES last week and i was looking at the b9 a4 - the Audi rep there straight from Germany told me there will be MT for both the a4 and s4. He also said he was surprised becase i was the 3rd person to ask him and he thought people in america didnt like Manual transmission cars

Is this a sick joke?

[occman]

MSRP for the cars I'm considering are in the $55K-$58K range. I've negotiated sales price down to ~$49K-$50K. However, I'm not putting any $$ down.

What is the residual and money factor you're being quoted?

30k residual and .00064 money factor

[occman]

Is this a sick joke?

I sought out the Audi booth because i am currently in the market. and i had tour of the B9 A4 from a Rep

[adk_audi]

I sought out the Audi booth because i am currently in the market. and i had tour of the B9 A4 from a Rep

It's been widely discussed in car rags and on this forum. There is even a rumor that it won't even come with a DSG next year because the new motor they built has too much torque for the current DSG, so they have to redesign that as well. Since you were looking at an A4 maybe he was referring to that, but I am not sure if those will be offered in manual either, I don't know.

[LordMagnet]

I was reading about the 2017 Audi A4 in a recent Road & Track issue and they say: "Fear not: The six-speed manual, which nearly 10 percent of American A4 buyers choose, will return, but not until late 2016."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...a4-the-savior/

[adk_audi]

I was reading about the 2017 Audi A4 in a recent Road & Track issue and they say: "Fear not: The six-speed manual, which nearly 10 percent of American A4 buyers choose, will return, but not until late 2016."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...a4-the-savior/

Nice!!! Save the third pedal! I could never go back to an A4 after having the S4. The CEO at Aston said that they wanted to be the last ones providing a Manual to the US market. I better save up... for repairs.

[Dr GP]

I do not believe the person you spoke to was knowledgeable. Many reps are not a good source for accurate info. BTW. the B8 S4 has never been available in Germany with a MT. 2107 S4 will be available IN THE US, ONLY with a Tiptronic trans. There has been info about a 6mt possibly being available in the A4 later in production.

[Dr GP]

It's been widely discussed in car rags and on this forum. There is even a rumor that it won't even come with a DSG next year because the new motor they built has too much torque for the current DSG, so they have to redesign that as well. Since you were looking at an A4 maybe he was referring to that, but I am not sure if those will be offered in manual either, I don't know.

NO DSG for 2017 S4

[Senseless]

I do not believe the person you spoke to was knowledgeable. Many reps are not a good source for accurate info. BTW. the B8 S4 has never been available in Germany with a MT. 2107 S4 will be available IN THE US, ONLY with a Tiptronic trans. There has been info about a 6mt possibly being available in the A4 later in production.

Yes, the Road and Track article mentioned the A4 offering manual and I wouldn't be surprised to see this in base FWD models only. It would be nice to see a special edition 2017 S4 with manual at some point, but the certification would probably be too expensive.

[acturater]

Very interested in the feedback from this thread... In the Chicago area, I'm having a hell of a time finding what I consider to be an affordable lease on a '15 or '16 S4. The quotes I'm getting for 10k/year, 36 mos with $0 down are in the $800 range. As much as i would like to drive one of these, no way I'm paying that much...

Audi leases are relatively high due to the residuals. For perspective, I ordered a $78k MSRP M3 for $778/mo lease 12k/36mo, $0 down. That's nearly the same as my current S4 lease.

I have a buddy in Chicago who drives an E92 M3 all year all winter (with winter setup) and loves it. I know this will not be a very popular opinion here but if you're going to lease, you should take a serious look at BMW.

[4wheelpilot]

[QUOTE=occman;11327502]what was msrp of the car and how did you bring it down too?

the one i am looking at was 55k sticker and i got it to 47k - i am wondering if that a good deal.
after my trade in (03 G35) and $1800 down - the payments came out to about $460[/QUOTE]

Seems like a real good discount off the MSRP.
BUT whether the monthly lease of $460 is good depends on the trade in amount you're getting for the G35.
Factors in a lease...selling price of car, residual and money factor.
In addition, the residual is affected by the cap cost reduction, miles per year and length of term.

I've been looking in the SE PA/NJ area to lease or buy an S4, new or pre owned, since October.
I have been to and/or emailed several dealers within a 25 mile radius.

Some of the pricing is ridiculous!

For example, I've seen two NEW 2015 S4s (MSRP 55-57) discounted to 47 on website (both S tronics but gone now).
I've also seen, with similar MSRP, pre owned 2015 S4s priced at 47!!!

Best leasing numbers I could get (15k, 36 mo, 1500 out of pocket) was 725 (including PA lease tax of 9%).
Also considered an S3 (MSRP 50k) to lease with same terms...best I could get was 620/mo. Can't justify that for an S3.

I will suggest we get in touch and share our specific info. If you're interested, send me a pm.

Best-Chris

I want a 6MT but will get the S-tronic because I drive in the city a lot.

[b8audis4]

Like everyone else has said, don't lease an Audi unless you can really afford it. I came from a 335i XDrive and I am not kidding when I say the XDrive system doesn't compare at all.

[levigarrett]

Audi leases are relatively high due to the residuals. For perspective, I ordered a $78k MSRP M3 for $778/mo lease 12k/36mo, $0 down. That's nearly the same as my current S4 lease.

I have a buddy in Chicago who drives an E92 M3 all year all winter (with winter setup) and loves it. I know this will not be a very popular opinion here but if you're going to lease, you should take a serious look at BMW.

I think everyone here would agree that BMW leases are way cheaper than Audi leases. If someone is dead set on leasing and aren't particularly brand loyal, then I'd say BMW is the way to go. I just don't care for them but their leases are fantastic. Congrats on the M.

[Senseless]

It kind of sucks that Pennsylvania charges 1.5X sales tax rate for a lease (9%). If you buy the car, it's only 6%.

[Batman0424]

I leased the B7 A4 back in 2006 for a ridiculously low payment and was very happy with the car and Audi. That was until I wanted to jump into a new Audi once my lease was up in 2008. When I heard the lease payment, I almost fell out of my car. I left, leased a 335xi and didn't give Audi another serious look until now because in the past I would prefer to lease over buy - I don't keep cars long (average 2-3 years) and Audi leases were always a couple hundred higher than a comparable BMW. Now, I did know this was due to the inflated residuals, but I didn't care and refused to purchase. While I enjoyed my second BMW lease, a '12 M3, I hated the 335xi (although I was too proud at the time to admit it). It say higher than even the non-sport suspension due to AWD. It handled much worse than my B7 A4 and the interior was boring at best.

I decided to stop leasing and came back to Audi this year, and I will say that I regret waiting so long to come back. The S4 is fantastic.


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[jsh139]

It kind of sucks that Pennsylvania charges 1.5X sales tax rate for a lease (9%). If you buy the car, it's only 6%.

Yeah, it's BS.