Friend wants to race his 2014 srt8 charger

[garynagra]

Hey guys,
This guy keeps bragging that his car will smoke me out in his charger srt8. He states his car is 515 horsepower(stock is 475hp). What you guys think the result will look like from a dig. I'm giac stage 2 w/ tcu tune.
Thanks

[Im-AUDI-here]

I'm no expert but my money is on the S4. Lighter car, AWD and stage 2.

[grovlet]

Internet 1/4 MPH calculators say it this:
Charger = 515 HP @ 5,350 lbs = ~11.9
S4 = 400HP @ 3,900 lbs = ~12.4

Now that's just some basic internet bench racing - but it shows that that the SRT should have some headroom to beat you - AWD is great for launching, but it's lower on power - if they SRT driver has the "Driver Mod" - I bet he can come close enough to keeping up from the start that the power difference may have him passing you - it also puts trust in 515 HP at the wheels - which is a far cry from a stock since they were rated @ 470 @ the flywheel from the factory.....

So as bench racing goes the lies are deep and it's a close race......

So line them up and see how it goes

[Hofahome]

From a dig, s4. It looks like fastest they run Stock is 12.6-7. I bet he has basic bolt ons. He would probably get you from a roll though. Seems like a good matchup but either way he owns a car made for bros and small time drug dealers, so you win.

[SDV325]

Internet 1/4 MPH calculators say it this:
Charger = 515 HP @ 5,350 lbs = ~11.9
S4 = 400HP @ 3,900 lbs = ~12.4

Now that's just some basic internet bench racing - but it shows that that the SRT should have some headroom to beat you - AWD is great for launching, but it's lower on power - if they SRT driver has the "Driver Mod" - I bet he can come close enough to keeping up from the start that the power difference may have him passing you - it also puts trust in 515 HP at the wheels - which is a far cry from a stock since they were rated @ 470 @ the flywheel from the factory.....

So as bench racing goes the lies are deep and it's a close race......

So line them up and see how it goes

A very new Jeep SRT8 tried to have some fun with me on a roll, even though he definitely put the foot down first i was able to stay right on him and after less than 1/8th of a mile (give or take) I started to gain on him. Would have taken him for sure on a dig. So much for their 475hp.

[pdqgp]

A very new Jeep SRT8 tried to have some fun with me on a roll, even though he definitely put the foot down first i was able to stay right on him and after less than 1/8th of a mile (give or take) I started to gain on him. Would have taken him for sure on a dig. So much for their 475hp.

^^ this.

There's no really knowing what his car makes in terms of power. Doesn't really matter as it is going to depend on lots of other factors. I ran one from a dig at a stoplight and destroyed him. Just a brief moment of his spinning tires allowed me to pull hard and he never got it back. From a roll the HP will help him but again, IF he really puts down 515hp and even then, it's going to have to be well into triple digits. Just be careful out there in Mexico.

[GRUMPY-S4]

I raced an S65 AMG from a dig and destroyed him. I am stage 1 with lightweight wheels and TCU tune. From a roll he pulled on me a bit. So moral of the story... With AWD you race from a dig!!!! Roll races are for Honda's lol

[Loe]

depending on your fuel, you'll walk from dig. They are an easy kill on the track for a GIAC stage 2 ecu/tcu car with 93 octane, even worse if you run a 100octane or E85 mix. The majority of them with the 6.4L Hemi run low 13's@109mph at my track (even though mags have them at high 12's at 112-113mph) compared to my 11.8@116mph. The older 6.1L run low 13's with bolt-ons at my track.

[mr shickadance]

I raced an S65 AMG from a dig and destroyed him. I am stage 1 with lightweight wheels and TCU tune. From a roll he pulled on me a bit. So moral of the story... With AWD you race from a dig!!!! Roll races are for Honda's lol

isn't S65 AMG using the AMG AWD?

[GRUMPY-S4]

isn't S65 AMG using the AMG AWD?

Isnt there a none awd version?

[fitzydude]

When I was Revo stage 1 I slowly pulled one 60-90

[S4audi15]

With 515 hp he will probably get you from a roll like everyone else said but you should most likely be able to take him from a dig if he isn't on drag radials. I raced a 530 hp Benz cls550 tuned from a dig and had him up to 75 but then he passed me due to the higher hp and that's an awd car with a pretty good launch. I have pulley and tune only.


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[RudyH]

It sounds like it's a modified SRT-8 so it's hard to say, stock I know you could take them from experience at the track.

At the end of the day you still win, because you're not driving a Dodge.

[doug97gxe]

if the guy is bragging to you.. i would bet money he is modded.. if he is.. well.. you will find out

is your 7M modded? maybe you should run him with that

[Im-AUDI-here]

isn't S65 AMG using the AMG AWD?

The 2016 is RWD.

[Silverbullet S4]

I raced an S65 AMG from a dig and destroyed him. I am stage 1 with lightweight wheels and TCU tune. From a roll he pulled on me a bit.

BS unless an old high mileage stocker. If you're talking a new one, even a full bolt on stage II S4 isn't going to "destroy" an S65 from a dig.

[hodrosS42001]

You'll win /thread.

[GRUMPY-S4]

BS unless an old high mileage stocker. If you're talking a new one, even a full bolt on stage II S4 isn't going to "destroy" an S65 from a dig.

Might it be an E Class AMG then? It was brand new as it had the dealer plate on it. It was night time so I couldn't get a glance at what it was and I haven't kept up with MB models aside from the C Class

[cspcrx]

Our CEO has a S65 and that thing destroys all. From a light I thought I forgot to hit the throttle!

[fitzydude]

I'll just put these here for reference:

Stock S4 vs Stock Srt8
https://youtu.be/yIWyd3Lh5JQ

Stage 2 dual pulley vs Hellcat
https://youtu.be/5RPe9nXVNKQ

I would go from a dig to guarantee victory, but I think even from a roll you would have him even if he has minor bolt-ons.

[GRUMPY-S4]

The Hellcat is a joke in stock form. Suspension and Wheels/Tires would make it what it should be.

[mrmomo313]

Well I own a 2015 charger with the 6.4L hemi... The 15's are faster because of the 8 speed ZF (My car on shitty stock tires has a best of 12.3 @ 111). Since he has the 5 speed on the 2014, you'll take him from a roll/dig by two cars. If he's really pushing 515 then he has something done, in which case he may take you...

[Whitee]

Internet 1/4 MPH calculators say it this:
Charger = 515 HP @ 5,350 lbs = ~11.9
S4 = 400HP @ 3,900 lbs = ~12.4

Now that's just some basic internet bench racing - but it shows that that the SRT should have some headroom to beat you - AWD is great for launching, but it's lower on power - if they SRT driver has the "Driver Mod" - I bet he can come close enough to keeping up from the start that the power difference may have him passing you - it also puts trust in 515 HP at the wheels - which is a far cry from a stock since they were rated @ 470 @ the flywheel from the factory.....

So as bench racing goes the lies are deep and it's a close race......

So line them up and see how it goes

Where are you figuring a Stage 2 Giac car has 400hp? On a dyno stock we are seeing 350-360hp to the crank. I would say more in the ballpark of 440-450hp at the crank with a stage 2 car being conservative....

Also where are you getting the 515 whp number? You really think a charger can gain 100whp without going huge came and every bolt on known to man? Sure with forced induction he could easily but this isn't the case...

Chargers are heavy and hardly ever run to what their hp numbers potential is. From a dig it's an easy win to 80-100mph. From a roll it would be closer but getting those things moving require quite a bit. Even at 515hp he's only got 50-60 more hp and you and 500 more pounds of weight. Unless you really fudge something up I think you can stack this up to a win. Good luck with the race and post some results!


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[GRUMPY-S4]

The 2016 is RWD.

It was definitely a brand new car.

[Silverbullet S4]

Where are you figuring a Stage 2 Giac car has 400hp? On a dyno stock we are seeing 350-360hp to the crank. I would say more in the ballpark of 440-450hp at the crank with a stage 2 car being conservative....

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Bet he was guestimating crank numbers......

[chilort]

I was neck to neck with a Charger R/T ('07 body style) from a roll between stoplights recently. Street racing is illegal so we were, of course, driving within the confines of the law. Curb weight is roughly similar. I'm on a stock tune w/ DSG. You'll get pwnd by a modded SRT-8 unless you are Stage 2.

[MrFunk]

Where are you figuring a Stage 2 Giac car has 400hp? On a dyno stock we are seeing 350-360hp to the crank. I would say more in the ballpark of 440-450hp at the crank with a stage 2 car being conservative....

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Stage 2 cars are close to 400whp which equates to about 460 crank. The GIAC stg2 on paper is 468hp crank on 93 oct. 488hp on race file.

[grovlet]

Where are you figuring a Stage 2 Giac car has 400hp? On a dyno stock we are seeing 350-360hp to the crank. I would say more in the ballpark of 440-450hp at the crank with a stage 2 car being conservative....

Also where are you getting the 515 whp number? You really think a charger can gain 100whp without going huge came and every bolt on known to man? Sure with forced induction he could easily but this isn't the case...

Chargers are heavy and hardly ever run to what their hp numbers potential is. From a dig it's an easy win to 80-100mph. From a roll it would be closer but getting those things moving require quite a bit. Even at 515hp he's only got 50-60 more hp and you and 500 more pounds of weight. Unless you really fudge something up I think you can stack this up to a win. Good luck with the race and post some results!

Bet he was guestimating crank numbers......

Righto - I was just roughing AWHP (I could be a little off...)- and I agree 515 is some serious power out of a Charger too but that's the number that was thrown out there.... - Point I was getting at - is like all bench races either car can win - OP should just line them up and see.... This one is probably a good race depending on Driver Mods

[Tom C]

Our CEO has a S65 and that thing destroys all. From a light I thought I forgot to hit the throttle!

The problem is traction. I had an '05 CL65 (S Class two door coupe) with the same engine and transmission. Completely stock it ran 12.4X @ 118mph because it couldn't really hook up with the relatively tiny rear tires (275s) for 738 lbs-ft of torque. With just drag radials on it ran 11.7X @ 118mph. With just a Kleemann ECU tune, drop-in air filters and drag radials, it ran 11.2X @ 124 mph.

[jimrobbington]

Did OP actually ever say the dude claimed WHP? All I saw was the below.

Hey guys,
This guy keeps bragging that his car will smoke me out in his charger srt8. He states his car is 515 horsepower(stock is 475hp). What you guys think the result will look like from a dig. I'm giac stage 2 w/ tcu tune.
Thanks

From this, I assume the only guy has 515 CHP. Only 30 over what he claims was stock. Going off this thought, I assume the guy has exhaust/intake and is merely quoting what the advertised gains of that are supposed to be.

I think OP can take the guy. Get some elevation and it's no contest. My stock S4 is faster than an AWD Charger R/T.

[Dominick's S4]

2014 S4 B8.5 APR Stage II versus SRT Hemi 6.2 Tuned with 500+ HP in 1/2 mile and another SRT in the 1/4 mile. These videos are prior to the DL 501 Tune.

[MrFunk]

^^ There you have it. Nice hit Dom.
OP why not forward those vids to your bud and call it a day. LOL

[mjt2470]

...Seems like a good matchup but either way he owns a car made for bros and small time drug dealers, so you win.

I LOL'd when I read this! Nice!

[Hofahome]

I LOL'd when I read this! Nice!

Thank you and hello from Fort Collins!

[Deckdout2]

Here's my 1st run in with one. Hard to pull a Quattro from a dig. Easy Peasy....

[MrFunk]

^^ well... to be fair... he didn't even get on the throttle for a good 3 seconds after you had launched.

[garynagra]

Thanks for all the responses guys I will try to get him to race in coming weeks when the weather gets better, also he believes his charger is faster than a hellcat LOL

[netimebut4]

So this is what the platform has come to..sigh lol.

S4 will win, jonesjones was ahead of a hellcat challenger for a little (then the hellcat found some traction lol)

Ive raced countless jeep srt8s, chargers and challengers..the s4 is a very fast car for what it is

[sangaroo]

he believes his charger is faster than a hellcat LOL

Your friend seems to love his car VERY MUCH.

Reminds me of Westwest's HRE wheel, cast bbs, and lid deck spoiler threads.

[Ze_Nardo6]

You will smoke his ass if he is stock or lightly modded (as it seems he is).