I found Engine Carbon Cleaning in the DMV

**Gurltech** · 01-08-2016 06:46 AM

I was driving in D.C. and came across a hydrogen-Oxygen Engine Carbon Cleaning location.
It is on Bladensburg Rd NE at the BP gas station across from the Denny's.

What caught my attention was about 5 high end cars and 10 motorcycles lined up.

I pulled over since I needed gas and inquired about the process. They seem knowledgeable about carbon cleaning and also they let me check out the generator machine.

Best of all the price is $149.00 way better than 1400 that Audi wanted to charge me.

People who had gotten their cars done appeared happy and several told me this was their second car to get the process done. (mostly cops from the station up the street)

Don't have the telephone number handy left the flyer in the car but will pass it along when I get the number handy.

Glad to see someone in the DMV stepping up as this is a game changer.

**PEM** · 01-08-2016 07:19 AM

In! Nice find

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**i1overice** · 01-08-2016 07:45 AM

Edit: I read about this on the 5 forums.

I think there are some dyno sheets out now but no before or after pics.

**JimmyBones** · 01-08-2016 07:56 AM

How does their machine clean the valves?

For $149 that sounds like a spray cleaning like the BG induction service which doesn't do anything for the FSI carbon buildup that is already present after 30K to 50K miles. The only way to really clean the intake valves and ports of a FSI engine after the carbon has built up is to take the intake manifold off and start cleaning.

**ed@4induktion** · 01-08-2016 08:01 AM

I'd like to see the before and after results as well. Guessing they cant get them, because the manifold isnt coming off to do the job. Options are always good though. We offer a walnut blasting system which is the best I've seen hands down. It is $499 for a 4 Cylinder, $599 for 6, and $699 for 8 .

**Serpent** · 01-08-2016 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by ed@4induktion

I'd like to see the before and after results as well. Guessing they cant get them, because the manifold isnt coming off to do the job. Options are always good though. We offer a walnut blasting system which is the best I've seen hands down. It is $499 for a 4 Cylinder, $599 for 6, and $699 for 8 .

Why can't you do it for free? *insert whining here*

**csullivan** · 01-08-2016 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by ed@4induktion

I'd like to see the before and after results as well. Guessing they cant get them, because the manifold isnt coming off to do the job. Options are always good though. We offer a walnut blasting system which is the best I've seen hands down. It is $499 for a 4 Cylinder, $599 for 6, and $699 for 8 .

That V8 pricing is the best I've seen from a full shop, not too shabby.

And thank you for not simply doubling the 4cyl rate, which I've seen and is silly.

**csullivan** · 01-08-2016 08:33 AM

Oh, and I'd volunteer as a guinea pig, but I JUST had mine cleaned. But we should pull someone's IM, get some befores, all kick in, and get an after. Lets see if this really works. I'd kick in a couple bucks and a heated garage for the inspections.

**drumnjuny** · 01-08-2016 08:47 AM

Wow ed, that price is stellar!

Originally Posted by JimmyBones

How does their machine clean the valves?

For $149 that sounds like a spray cleaning like the BG induction service which doesn't do anything for the FSI carbon buildup that is already present after 30K to 50K miles. The only way to really clean the intake valves and ports of a FSI engine after the carbon has built up is to take the intake manifold off and start cleaning.

this. its not the type of carbon cleaning these direct injected audis need.

**jamerican1** · 01-08-2016 08:56 AM

This is relevant to my interests

**kiku** · 01-08-2016 09:17 AM

Audi woes

**Gurltech** · 01-08-2016 09:50 AM

Went back to them and asked if this was like the BG induction service which is good had it done on my previous car a x5 4.4is. They are using a machine that generates oxygen and hydrogen gas. They said once the gas comes in contact with carbon it burns it away from the front of the engine intake across the valves thru the cat and out the exhaust. The cops who were are waiting to get it done swore by it. I think they are working on getting the DC police car contract to do all those cars.
All I can say is try it out....I'm taking out CTS to get done this weekend and will report back. Saw them do an old forerunner and when he finished it was running smooth as butter with 288k on the odometer.

I think one of the members on the forum does this as a business in the UK and doing pretty good. I have asked him if it was like induction cleaning and he said no not the same.

good to see some activity on the regional forum.

**Audibot** · 01-08-2016 10:32 AM

That does sound like an interesting process. I'm still a bit skeptical, namely because the strong bonds carbon forms (which makes it so f'in difficult to clean). I'm not so sure how well or long it would take to burn those deposits off. Though I have read that black carbon can act as a catalyst, and pure O2 wants to react with nearly everything.

On the traditional note, a couple years ago I went and had my 2.0T done both manually and chemically (i.e. BG) for $550. It was great afterwards! If this can replicate it, that sounds like an awesome deal!

**Race Shooter** · 01-08-2016 10:43 AM

If you google the process you'll see some info on it.

The hydrogen/oxygen mixture is put in through the intake manifold, so it will flow over the valves, however, the majority of the cleaning is done IN the combustion chamber where the hydrogen and oxygen cause for a really hot burn to burn off the carbon deposits.

It does say an intense steam is also generated that will flow through the exhaust and clean out turbos, cats, exhaust and will circulate through the EGR system, so some of it will come back into the intake manifold and soften up the carbon on the valves.

They say you run the car for about 30-40 minutes while hooked up, so possibly enough will get back through the system to clean the valves to some extent, however, it will not be as good as a manual cleaning.

It seems like it might be something good to do relatively often, before the valves get too caked with gunk because I dont see how it will do enough for a heavily carboned up intake system since just the flow of the hydrogen and oxygen over the valves will do nothing, its the burning and hot steam that do the cleaning.

At least that is how I read the process when googling it.

**Gurltech** · 01-08-2016 11:12 AM

My weekend started early so I have nothing better to do on this rainy day than google.
I see this process is very popular in Asia and Europe. To me it seems like I am living in a GE scary idea commercial.
Maybe in the US the average mechanic does not want to spend 8 to 10 grand for the equipment plus training.

The mechanic I spoke to was a former military mechanic and saw the process in Asia done all the time on cars over there.
From what he said they love cars horsepower and racing as much as we do.

Kept searching and found this.

https://www.facebook.com/F5ECC "this place is in the UK"

and this

https://www.facebook.com/DeCoke-Engi...9358968410933/ "this place is in Florida"

Both places seem fairly new so ideas are taking off.

So it seems the process is getting some traction well I am going to keep researching will report back as I find interesting things about this process.

I love horsepower and a process that can give it back to me without taxing my bank account is exceptional.

**i1overice** · 01-08-2016 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Gurltech

My weekend started early so I have nothing better to do on this rainy day than google.
I see this process is very popular in Asia and Europe. To me it seems like I am living in a GE scary idea commercial.
Maybe in the US the average mechanic does not want to spend 8 to 10 grand for the equipment plus training.

The mechanic I spoke to was a former military mechanic and saw the process in Asia done all the time on cars over there.
From what he said they love cars horsepower and racing as much as we do.

Kept searching and found this.

https://www.facebook.com/F5ECC "this place is in the UK"

and this

https://www.facebook.com/DeCoke-Engi...9358968410933/ "this place is in Florida"

Both places seem fairly new so ideas are taking off.

So it seems the process is getting some traction well I am going to keep researching will report back as I find interesting things about this process.

I love horsepower and a process that can give it back to me without taxing my bank account is exceptional.

Cuppa on a5oc is the one who is doing it in the UK. not sure if that is the same one you have on your facebook link.

**JimmyBones** · 01-08-2016 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Race Shooter

It seems like it might be something good to do relatively often, before the valves get too caked with gunk because I dont see how it will do enough for a heavily carboned up intake system since just the flow of the hydrogen and oxygen over the valves will do nothing, its the burning and hot steam that do the cleaning.

That is what shops would recommend for the BG Induction service. Ideally it will clean the soft mushy carbon deposits but the caked on stuff will still be there.

Replacing your PCV valve every 30K miles would be a lot more beneficial in my opinion because the wet gooey oil wouldn't be getting on the intake valves so the buildup wouldn't grow that fast. Same idea as a catch can but neither is going to totally solve the issue so manual cleanings still will be required every so often depending on how much performance the owner wants on a regular basis.

**pkny** · 01-10-2016 12:15 PM

Oh cool, so that is why all the cars were there.
I drive down that road to go home occasionally, but never stopped anywhere on Bladensburg north of benning road. This is good to know. please report back your results if you did go out to do it yesterday or today.

**audistealth** · 01-10-2016 12:29 PM

Isn't this basically the good old fashioned Italian tune up?

**Klum00** · 01-10-2016 01:21 PM

For Induktion's price I'd go there in a heartbeat.

**csullivan** · 01-10-2016 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by audistealth

Isn't this basically the good old fashioned Italian tune up?

Seems like it. Which in the case of a DI engine, would actually probably make the problem worse.

**dcbelle02** · 12-13-2019 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Gurltech

I was driving in D.C. and came across a hydrogen-Oxygen Engine Carbon Cleaning location.
It is on Bladensburg Rd NE at the BP gas station across from the Denny's.

What caught my attention was about 5 high end cars and 10 motorcycles lined up.

I pulled over since I needed gas and inquired about the process. They seem knowledgeable about carbon cleaning and also they let me check out the generator machine.

Best of all the price is $149.00 way better than 1400 that Audi wanted to charge me.

People who had gotten their cars done appeared happy and several told me this was their second car to get the process done. (mostly cops from the station up the street)

Don't have the telephone number handy left the flyer in the car but will pass it along when I get the number handy.

Glad to see someone in the DMV stepping up as this is a game changer.

Wondering if you know the name of this place?

I'm in the DC area too and looking for affordable carbon cleaning.
Thanks!