Bilstein Ride Control or KW DDC. Which one to buy?

[DBFL]

I have a B8.5 S4 and there is just way too much body roll. So I am planning to upgrade the suspension.
After a bit of research I am down to deciding between the Bilstein B16 Ride Control coilovers and the KW DDC setup.
They seem to be comparable in specs, but why is there such a price difference. Is there some difference between the two that I am missing? the prices I have found are around $2800 for the Bilsteins and $4325 for the KWs. So what would make the KWs more than $1500 more?
I am looking to end up with a system that I can easily change the damping by pressing a button or using my iPhone that is why I have chosen these two as the final two choices. I want to have a stock, somewhat comfortable setting for when I have passengers as well as a setting that lets me corner as flatly as possible when I'm by myself. I haven't ever tracked a car before, but I'd like to start doing so (although it won't be that often). So this setup is basically for the streets.
Any insight would be very appreciated.

Also, I plan to change the sway bars an end links when I do the coilover install. Any recommendations here as to what brand and model to go with?

Edit: I forgot to mention, I do not have the factory adaptive damping suspension.

[creativecody]

I don't have the ride control feature but I do have the Bilstein PSS10's. I have 0 complaints. I also went with the Eurocode front and rear sway bars and Eurocode front and rear endlinks. I have the rear bar set to the stiff setting and the front set to the softer (still stiffer than stock) setting. You may also want to do the adjustable upper control arms (I went with SPC) too if your drop is going to be aggressive. I did those as well. All these mods truly transform the way the car performs. You'll love it.

[DBFL]

I don't have the ride control feature but I do have the Bilstein PSS10's. I have 0 complaints. I also went with the Eurocode front and rear sway bars and Eurocode front and rear endlinks. I have the rear bar set to the stiff setting and the front set to the softer (still stiffer than stock) setting. You may also want to do the adjustable upper control arms (I went with SPC) too if your drop is going to be aggressive. I did those as well. All these mods truly transform the way the car performs. You'll love it.

Thanks for the reply.
I don't plan on dropping the height much at all. It looks like both of these systems are about 3/4" lower than stock at their highest settings. I won't go too much lower than that since I don't want any rubbing issues. And I don't want to have to get into rolling the fender lips.

[Rocket Tech]

It's primarily an adjustability difference. The Bilstein system has a pre-defined setting for comfort and sport mode, these aren't changeable. What's changeable is when you use comfort vs sport. From what I've read comfort is slightly more comfortable than the sport suspension and sport is significantly stiffer than stock sport. The Bilstein system, when put on "auto" will automatically switch into sport when accelerations on the vehicle exceed a predetermined level (you can select this using your phone).

The kw system differs in that you can define how much damping you want for comfort and sport - actually I believe with the kw system you can pre-select five different settings and how the system determines which to use. So there's a much finer gradient in what damping you run and when.

I went with the Bilstein setup because I'm more of a set it and forget it kind of guy. I don't want to spend a lot of time fine tuning and I believe the Bilstein engineers have spent a fair amount of time coming up with the appropriate trade for the weekend road warrior such as myself - I don't believe the b16 ride control system is considered a race or serious track setup. For the streets and canyon roads I think it strikes the right balance between performance and cost.

I've got the electronics wired in and in planning to complete the mechanical install next week.

As for away bars and others, the popular choices here seem to be Eurocode or 034 Motorsports. I went with the full Eurocode setup (sways, end links, alu kreuz), again going in next week. Doesn't seem you can go wrong with whichever company you go with as everyone seems to love whichever they've purchased.

[creativecody]

Thanks for the reply.
I don't plan on dropping the height much at all. It looks like both of these systems are about 3/4" lower than stock at their highest settings. I won't go too much lower than that since I don't want any rubbing issues. And I don't want to have to get into rolling the fender lips.

Assuming you have stock wheels you shouldn't need to roll any fenders. I have stock 19" peelers and added the ECS flush fit spacer kit (8mm front, 12.5mm rear). Initially I was rubbing just in the rear on big dips on the freeway but I was able to bend back the carpet fender liner to avoid any rubbing. If I didn't have the spacers the rubbing would be even less of a concern.

[DBFL]

Assuming you have stock wheels you shouldn't need to roll any fenders. I have stock 19" peelers and added the ECS flush fit spacer kit (8mm front, 12.5mm rear). Initially I was rubbing just in the rear on big dips on the freeway but I was able to bend back the carpet fender liner to avoid any rubbing. If I didn't have the spacers the rubbing would be even less of a concern.

I understand that. My point was that I don't plan to lower it to the level that would cause any rubbing. It will be a small drop at best.

[Mat@1975]

Initially I was rubbing just in the rear on big dips on the freeway but I was able to bend back the carpet fender liner to avoid any rubbing. .

Hello !

Could you tell me more about your method for doing this ? I am afraid of damaging the fender doing it.

Thanks !

BR

Mat

[DBFL]

Hello !

Could you tell me more about your method for doing this ? I am afraid of damaging the fender doing it.

Thanks !

BR

Mat

Using a tool like this:

https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...ols/ES2682242/

[Lamprey]

Have you thought of doing the sways/endlinks first and then see if you want upgrade the stock dampers?

I, also, have full ADS and just adding sways & endlinks (Eurocode) makes it a whole new car (I also have the CR-15 Upper Strut Tower Brace). Since it's my daily driver, I generally drive with the suspension in comfort mode. But, with the suspension upgrade it is much more tight and very little body roll. Then you have the dynamic option to tighten things up even more.

Just a thought before you spend the money on new struts.

[creativecody]

Hello !

Could you tell me more about your method for doing this ? I am afraid of damaging the fender doing it.

Thanks !

BR

Mat

I actually didn't use any tools....just my hands. I manually dented/massaged the carpet fender liner at the edges. It kind of sticks out a bit if you feel just under the lip. I was able to compress it all along the edge of the fender to give some more clearance. It took quite a bit of pressure (and sore fingers) but I was able to dent it enough to give me the clearance I needed so it wouldn't rub anymore.

Here is my full write up and pics of my car dropped on the PSS10's etc...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...PSS10-amp-More!

[Mat@1975]

I actually didn't use any tools....just my hands. I manually dented/massaged the carpet fender liner at the edges. It kind of sticks out a bit if you feel just under the lip. I was able to compress it all along the edge of the fender to give some more clearance. It took quite a bit of pressure (and sore fingers) but I was able to dent it enough to give me the clearance I needed so it wouldn't rub anymore.

Here is my full write up and pics of my car dropped on the PSS10's etc...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...PSS10-amp-More!

Thanks so much Cody !

Read your thread, nice car !!!!

Best regards,

Mat

[DBFL]

Have you thought of doing the sways/endlinks first and then see if you want upgrade the stock dampers?

I, also, have full ADS and just adding sways & endlinks (Eurocode) makes it a whole new car (I also have the CR-15 Upper Strut Tower Brace). Since it's my daily driver, I generally drive with the suspension in comfort mode. But, with the suspension upgrade it is much more tight and very little body roll. Then you have the dynamic option to tighten things up even more.

Just a thought before you spend the money on new struts.

I don't have full ADS which is why I want to go to coilovers. There are many situations in which I'd prefer a firmer ride, not just when I corner.

[Lamprey]

I don't have full ADS which is why I want to go to coilovers. There are many situations in which I'd prefer a firmer ride, not just when I corner.

Opps, misread what you said.. never mind.

[DBFL]

So back to my original question, which system should I go with? And why is there such a large price difference?

[Hofahome]

I went for the Bilstein with ride control. Pretty happy with it overall and daily my car in comfort mode. You can tell the difference in both modes. Even my wife noticed when I made her close her eyes and I pressed the button. Not sure why the KWs are that much more expensive. It's not like Bilstein makes shitty parts, some porsches actually run these stock from my research. I say go for the Bilsteins and if you want more control over the settings then buy the IRC module later. Even with that you will save $1k over the KWs. FYI my installer said the wiring was a bitch so unless if you are a tech, drop the cash to get it professionally installed. Oh and get adj control arms if dropping it significantly. Mine has no rubbing issues even with my 19X19.5 VMRs.

[DBFL]

I went for the Bilstein with ride control. Pretty happy with it overall and daily my car in comfort mode. You can tell the difference in both modes. Even my wife noticed when I made her close her eyes and I pressed the button. Not sure why the KWs are that much more expensive. It's not like Bilstein makes shitty parts, some porsches actually run these stock from my research. I say go for the Bilsteins and if you want more control over the settings then buy the IRC module later. Even with that you will save $1k over the KWs. FYI my installer said the wiring was a bitch so unless if you are a tech, drop the cash to get it professionally installed. Oh and get adj control arms if dropping it significantly. Mine has no rubbing issues even with my 19X19.5 VMRs.

Do you have the IRC module? I'm interested to see if it works well.
And it's actually a $1500 difference including the IRC module.

[Hofahome]

Do you have the IRC module? I'm interested to see if it works well.
And it's actually a $1500 difference including the IRC module.

Not yet but probably will. However I am quite happy with my suspension for the time being and am in the process of upgrading my clutch and going E85. If I buy the IRC my wife might snap and kill me in my sleep haha. Save yourself the money over the KW. Even if they are somehow better (which I doubt), they cannot be $1500 better.

[DBFL]

Not yet but probably will. However I am quite happy with my suspension for the time being and am in the process of upgrading my clutch and going E85. If I buy the IRC my wife might snap and kill me in my sleep haha. Save yourself the money over the KW. Even if they are somehow better (which I doubt), they cannot be $1500 better.

Thanks. I'll probably go with the Bilsteins since nobody has come up with a difference between the two brands.

[Bdangs11]

It's primarily an adjustability difference. The Bilstein system has a pre-defined setting for comfort and sport mode, these aren't changeable. What's changeable is when you use comfort vs sport. From what I've read comfort is slightly more comfortable than the sport suspension and sport is significantly stiffer than stock sport. The Bilstein system, when put on "auto" will automatically switch into sport when accelerations on the vehicle exceed a predetermined level (you can select this using your phone).

The kw system differs in that you can define how much damping you want for comfort and sport - actually I believe with the kw system you can pre-select five different settings and how the system determines which to use. So there's a much finer gradient in what damping you run and when.

I went with the Bilstein setup because I'm more of a set it and forget it kind of guy. I don't want to spend a lot of time fine tuning and I believe the Bilstein engineers have spent a fair amount of time coming up with the appropriate trade for the weekend road warrior such as myself - I don't believe the b16 ride control system is considered a race or serious track setup. For the streets and canyon roads I think it strikes the right balance between performance and cost.

I've got the electronics wired in and in planning to complete the mechanical install next week.

As for away bars and others, the popular choices here seem to be Eurocode or 034 Motorsports. I went with the full Eurocode setup (sways, end links, alu kreuz), again going in next week. Doesn't seem you can go wrong with whichever company you go with as everyone seems to love whichever they've purchased.

This seems to answer you original question or am I mistaken?

[Hofahome]

BTW the IRC allows more adjustability than just adding the auto fxn. You can create custom parameters. Watch below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKVFlA7tjdQ

[DBFL]

This seems to answer you original question or am I mistaken?

Sort of. Adding the IRC module to the Bilstein setup seems to allow just as much adjustability as the KWs. So I'm still stumped as to the reason for the huge price difference.

[Rocket Tech]

Sort of. Adding the IRC module to the Bilstein setup seems to allow just as much adjustability as the KWs. So I'm still stumped as to the reason for the huge price difference.

I have the IRC module and I've messed with the program somewhat. Those values That you adjust determine the threshold at which the system kicks into sport+ or the more firm setting. However, you cannot adjust the damping level of the sport setting. The shocks only have 2 valve settings - comfort or sport. The kws allow you to have a much finer level of control and you can adjust the actual damping factor - I believe it's values between 0-100. So the kw system offers far more adjustability than the Bilstein ride control. Think of the pss10s with 10 individual settings for firmness. The ride control shocks only have 2.

The IRC module gives you the ability to have 3 settings; comfort, normal, and sport. Each profile just has a different threshold for intervention. You can individually set the intervention level using lateral and longitudinal acceleration. Without the IRC module the system is "dumb" and uses factory preset levels to determine intervention levels and factors both lateral and longitudinal acceleration together rather than allowing the user to separate them. I.e. The IRC module allows you to keep it soft if braking or accelerating hard but tighten up immediately if turning spiritedly. Without the module the system doesn't differentiate between lateral vs longitudinal acceleration.

comfort:


Sport:

[DBFL]

I have the IRC module and I've messed with the program somewhat. Those values That you adjust determine the threshold at which the system kicks into sport+ or the more firm setting. However, you cannot adjust the damping level of the sport setting. The shocks only have 2 valve settings - comfort or sport. The kws allow you to have a much finer level of control and you can adjust the actual damping factor - I believe it's values between 0-100. So the kw system offers far more adjustability than the Bilstein ride control. Think of the pss10s with 10 individual settings for firmness. The ride control shocks only have 2.

The IRC module gives you the ability to have 3 settings; comfort, normal, and sport. Each profile just has a different threshold for intervention. You can individually set the intervention level using lateral and longitudinal acceleration. Without the IRC module the system is "dumb" and uses factory preset levels to determine intervention levels and factors both lateral and longitudinal acceleration together rather than allowing the user to separate them. I.e. The IRC module allows you to keep it soft if braking or accelerating hard but tighten up immediately if turning spiritedly. Without the module the system doesn't differentiate between lateral vs longitudinal acceleration.

Thanks. That's the kind of information I was looking for. I was under the assumption the the ride control was basically the PSS10s with electronic controls. It seems odd that Bilstein made it less adjustable by going electronic.

So I guess the only question I have left is are you happy with the Bilsteins, or do you regret not spending the extra money on the KWs?

[Hofahome]

Very good info here. I wonder if the IRC is worth it then.

[Rocket Tech]

I haven't installed my coilovers yet - just did the electrical. Mechanical stuff going in next week. I expect I'm going to be perfectly happy, I didn't want to spend time trying to dial the suspension in to the nth degree for my level of driving. I drive on the roads with very different conditions so spending the time to properly set it up for all instances isn't really reasonable. If I was a track addict then I would have looked at the kw system more seriously; when I was riding motorcycles I kept a meticulous log of tire and suspension settings for every track I frequented.

So for me, it's the right balance of cost and performance, even without having installed it yet. I'm just not willing to put the time in to dial it all in and in likely just to screw it up ;)

As much as I don't want to spend too much time dialing it in i did feel the additional IRC module was worth the extra cost. I'm either driving hard red light to red light or in the canyons, both of which are very different situations. The IRC module will allow me to set the car up so I'm not constantly pushing buttons or changing the modes when I decide I want to drive a little more spiritedly on my commute.

Jamin_00(?) who's on this board started out with pss10, then went to ride control, and ultimately settled on the kw system. He tracks the car and is much more into fine tuning his suspension than I am but I'm sure if you ping him he'd be happy to provide you with his experiences after having run through all those setups.

[Luna's S4]

Thanks. That's the kind of information I was looking for. I was under the assumption the the ride control was basically the PSS10s with electronic controls. It seems odd that Bilstein made it less adjustable by going electronic.

So I guess the only question I have left is are you happy with the Bilsteins, or do you regret not spending the extra money on the KWs?

As for addressing your first thought: Bilstein is probably just filling the space between manual 10 way and full on adjustable with KW?? I will say that manually adjusting the dampers on the PSS10s is pretty quick, if you don't mind jacking & twisting a dial.

[DBFL]

I will say that manually adjusting the dampers on the PSS10s is pretty quick, if you don't mind jacking & twisting a dial.

This is exactly what I want to avoid. While jacking up the car and changing the dial is nothing difficult, it is inevitable that I will forget way too often. What will end up happening is that I will get to a corner or entrance/exit ramp that I like to go fast on and realize that I forgot to adjust the setting. Or I'll get stuck in crappy Florida traffic and have to deal with the firmest setting. So my fear is that I'd get fed up with that scenario after about a month and upgrade to the ride control setup anyway. So starting out with a coilover set that is electronically adjustable will end up saving me money in the long run and I'll only have to do the install once.

[DBFL]

I haven't installed my coilovers yet - just did the electrical. Mechanical stuff going in next week. I expect I'm going to be perfectly happy, I didn't want to spend time trying to dial the suspension in to the nth degree for my level of driving. I drive on the roads with very different conditions so spending the time to properly set it up for all instances isn't really reasonable. If I was a track addict then I would have looked at the kw system more seriously; when I was riding motorcycles I kept a meticulous log of tire and suspension settings for every track I frequented.

So for me, it's the right balance of cost and performance, even without having installed it yet. I'm just not willing to put the time in to dial it all in and in likely just to screw it up ;)

As much as I don't want to spend too much time dialing it in i did feel the additional IRC module was worth the extra cost. I'm either driving hard red light to red light or in the canyons, both of which are very different situations. The IRC module will allow me to set the car up so I'm not constantly pushing buttons or changing the modes when I decide I want to drive a little more spiritedly on my commute.

Jamin_00(?) who's on this board started out with pss10, then went to ride control, and ultimately settled on the kw system. He tracks the car and is much more into fine tuning his suspension than I am but I'm sure if you ping him he'd be happy to provide you with his experiences after having run through all those setups.

Once your install is completed, would you mind posting an update? I'm very interested in hearing what you think of them once you drive with them. I'm planning on ordering everything sometime next week or the week after since I won't have the time to install them until sometime next month.

[Rocket Tech]

Sure but my perspective is going to be pretty heavily biased by the rest of the package - I'm installing sway bars, end links, and alu kreuz at the same time so won't be able to give you a straight answer without being colored by those mods. I'll report back either way with an update and maybe start a thread specific to the IRC module as there isn't much literature available that goes through all the settings in detail.

- - - Updated - - -

Jamin's build thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/663556-Jamin-s-build!

[jamin_00]

Hey guys. I started with the B16 Ride Control then went to the PSS10's and just put the KW DDC ECU system on.

The difference is immense. Let me tell you why.

When I first installed the B16 RC system it was great but you are stuck with their presets. Comfort and sport. The adjustment you have is when in Auto mode when it switches between to the 2 which is very clever. Comfort I found was nice and a little more bouncy than stock and sport was solid, much more than stock. Then on the S5 I went for the PSS10's as I wanted the adjustment so I could define just how soft it was and just how hard it was. As mentioned I track my car so during the week on my 400 mile a week driving I want comfort in the mix and then when on track I want it solid. So this system worked very well as in 5 mins you can jack the car up and twist the dials and you got your set up sorted. About a week of driving I had my set ups sorted so I knew what numbers for what I wanted it to be like.

But then I found out just what the KW DDC ECU system has to offer and trust me, it is well worth the extra with the wi fi module. Had I known exactly what it does I would have got this the first time round. Right, you have 3 preset modes. Comfort, Sport and Sport+. These are set in % from 0-100. Comfort is 0 front and rear, Sport is 36r and 39 rear I think and Sport+ is 100 both. Now, the Sport and Sport+ mode are tuneable so you can play around with these modes to tune for your liking if you have the wifi module. Thats very clever as you can put them to what you want, as soft or as hard as you like. Now, the comfort mode is very clever. When installing the system I couldn't figure out why I had to pull CAN pins out off an ECU in the boot (trunk) and connect to the DDC ECU and then piggy back to the ECU on the car?? Easy to do btw but why??
All becomes clear when looking at the app and driving as when in any mode in 2 of the screens it shows you the active setup (the % you are currently running) and in comfort mode which as stated is 0%, the faster you drive the stiffer it goes!!! So the CAN info its getting is SPD. It doesn't go that stiff at all, about 100mph was around 20 on the rear and 17 on the front but it changes on its own dependent on speed :)

So, as said you can set the Sport and Sport+ mode to your liking, for those who want to fit and forget with the button you can go through the 3 modes so I have now set Sport and Sport+ to how I like it and now all I do it push the button to what setting I want and its done instantly. Took me about 2 weeks playing (but Im OCD lol) to get it exactly how I wanted so now I have the perfect setup for my liking.


If I had known that this system did this I would have got this in the first place. I even said to KW UK WTF?? Why is this system not shouted about EVERYWHERE and he said it was but Im online a lot and have not seen it anywhere like most of you on here too by the sound of it lol.

All systems are great but your needs and budget will determine what you get but I will highly recommend the KW DDC ECU over them 3 but all are great for sure!!!

[jokingjimmy]

I understand that. My point was that I don't plan to lower it to the level that would cause any rubbing. It will be a small drop at best.

I believe that the Bilsteins don't drop as low as the KWs. I have the KW V3 on mine, and they are really a big drop, even at the higher ride height setting. They are near 1" lower than stock, even at max height adjustment. If you don't really want to drop your car much, I'd probably lean towards the Bilsteins, although on these particular models, the height issue might not exist.

[DBFL]

Hey guys. I started with the B16 Ride Control then went to the PSS10's and just put the KW DDC ECU system on.

The difference is immense. Let me tell you why.

When I first installed the B16 RC system it was great but you are stuck with their presets. Comfort and sport. The adjustment you have is when in Auto mode when it switches between to the 2 which is very clever. Comfort I found was nice and a little more bouncy than stock and sport was solid, much more than stock. Then on the S5 I went for the PSS10's as I wanted the adjustment so I could define just how soft it was and just how hard it was. As mentioned I track my car so during the week on my 400 mile a week driving I want comfort in the mix and then when on track I want it solid. So this system worked very well as in 5 mins you can jack the car up and twist the dials and you got your set up sorted. About a week of driving I had my set ups sorted so I knew what numbers for what I wanted it to be like.

But then I found out just what the KW DDC ECU system has to offer and trust me, it is well worth the extra with the wi fi module. Had I known exactly what it does I would have got this the first time round. Right, you have 3 preset modes. Comfort, Sport and Sport+. These are set in % from 0-100. Comfort is 0 front and rear, Sport is 36r and 39 rear I think and Sport+ is 100 both. Now, the Sport and Sport+ mode are tuneable so you can play around with these modes to tune for your liking if you have the wifi module. Thats very clever as you can put them to what you want, as soft or as hard as you like. Now, the comfort mode is very clever. When installing the system I couldn't figure out why I had to pull CAN pins out off an ECU in the boot (trunk) and connect to the DDC ECU and then piggy back to the ECU on the car?? Easy to do btw but why??
All becomes clear when looking at the app and driving as when in any mode in 2 of the screens it shows you the active setup (the % you are currently running) and in comfort mode which as stated is 0%, the faster you drive the stiffer it goes!!! So the CAN info its getting is SPD. It doesn't go that stiff at all, about 100mph was around 20 on the rear and 17 on the front but it changes on its own dependent on speed :)

So, as said you can set the Sport and Sport+ mode to your liking, for those who want to fit and forget with the button you can go through the 3 modes so I have now set Sport and Sport+ to how I like it and now all I do it push the button to what setting I want and its done instantly. Took me about 2 weeks playing (but Im OCD lol) to get it exactly how I wanted so now I have the perfect setup for my liking.


If I had known that this system did this I would have got this in the first place. I even said to KW UK WTF?? Why is this system not shouted about EVERYWHERE and he said it was but Im online a lot and have not seen it anywhere like most of you on here too by the sound of it lol.

All systems are great but your needs and budget will determine what you get but I will highly recommend the KW DDC ECU over them 3 but all are great for sure!!!

Damn. I was convinced that I was going to go with the ride control setup. Now I'm back on the fence between the two.
You didn't mention it, but did you have the IRC module when you had the Bilstein RCs?

[Luna's S4]

This is exactly what I want to avoid. While jacking up the car and changing the dial is nothing difficult, it is inevitable that I will forget way too often. What will end up happening is that I will get to a corner or entrance/exit ramp that I like to go fast on and realize that I forgot to adjust the setting. Or I'll get stuck in crappy Florida traffic and have to deal with the firmest setting. So my fear is that I'd get fed up with that scenario after about a month and upgrade to the ride control setup anyway. So starting out with a coilover set that is electronically adjustable will end up saving me money in the long run and I'll only have to do the install once.

Well, you could just stop before each entrance/exit ramp, put on your flashers, jack her up, crawl under... You would probably remember this kind of ritual.


j/k - After reading Jamin's explanation, the KWs appear to be pretty amazing.

[DBFL]

Well, you could just stop before each entrance/exit ramp, put on your flashers, jack her up, crawl under... You would probably remember this kind of ritual.


j/k - After reading Jamin's explanation, the KWs appear to be pretty amazing.

Agreed. I think jamin may have sold me on them. I just wish I could find someone locally who has them so I can see how the ride is before I make the purchase.

[Hofahome]

I gotta admit I did not know the KW's did that much. Pretty sweet kit.

[jamin_00]

Damn. I was convinced that I was going to go with the ride control setup. Now I'm back on the fence between the two.
You didn't mention it, but did you have the IRC module when you had the Bilstein RCs?

Yes mate sorry, I did have the IRC module.

Agreed. I think jamin may have sold me on them. I just wish I could find someone locally who has them so I can see how the ride is before I make the purchase.

The ride is what you want it to be. From bouncy soft which is perfect for the motorway cruise and more comfortable than the DRC setting as tbh, in this mode you wont be racing round and bends lol right up to solid and anywhere in-between as the adjustment that can be made is in 1% increments.

I gotta admit I did not know the KW's did that much. Pretty sweet kit.

Nor did I yet KW told me they advertise it everywhere!! They must be in the stone ages still and advertising on the cave wall as I never see it and I thought I done a lot of research when buying my previous sets!!.


The order in which I would buy these sets would be

1, KW DDC ECU 2, Bilstein PSS10 and 3, Bilstein B16 RideControl with IRC module. I place the RC last as you are stuck on their comfort and their sport which can't be changed and the other 2 can and I had no issues getting under the car with the PSS10's because I could have it exactly how I wanted and to me thats important.

[DBFL]

Yes mate sorry, I did have the IRC module.



The ride is what you want it to be. From bouncy soft which is perfect for the motorway cruise and more comfortable than the DRC setting as tbh, in this mode you wont be racing round and bends lol right up to solid and anywhere in-between as the adjustment that can be made is in 1% increments.



Nor did I yet KW told me they advertise it everywhere!! They must be in the stone ages still and advertising on the cave wall as I never see it and I thought I done a lot of research when buying my previous sets!!.


The order in which I would buy these sets would be

1, KW DDC ECU 2, Bilstein PSS10 and 3, Bilstein B16 RideControl with IRC module. I place the RC last as you are stuck on their comfort and their sport which can't be changed and the other 2 can and I had no issues getting under the car with the PSS10's because I could have it exactly how I wanted and to me thats important.

Well, I'm convinced. I'll be buying the KWs next week. I think I'm going to combine them with a set of Eurocode f & r sway bars and end links.
Out of curiosity, do you know how much of a drop will it be if I set the KWs to their highest setting?

[jamin_00]

I dont, I think they say 20mm? I'll get a pic off mine now for you on 20in rims. I think Im at about 670mm on the rear and 660 mm on the front but I'll measure this too. And this is from floor to the wheel arch bang in the middle.

[RyanJon]

I notice you've been to MRC so must be in the uk? Where did you have your KW's fitted?

Ryan

[jamin_00]

Yes, Im in UK and had them fitted by a local mechanic who has done pretty much all my mods for me. The guy is a legend and 2 units up from me at work.

Pic now, its 660mm on the fronts and 667 on the rears, floor to wheel arch