Help me Identify this Clutch/PP!

[CJ_]

Hey all!
Just pulled this off my motor and need help identifying it. PO claimed it was a new 'RS4 clutch/PP' and I have almost no experience with clutches.
Also if you could tell me what condition its in, and if its worth running still with my build? SRM k24, limited on stock block.

[erykv1]

this is what the rs4 clutch / pp looks like.

-edit- looks like the single mass flywheel conversion kits you can buy for our cars. take a look at the flywheel and see what it is to verify.

[slow ride]

It's the Valeo single mass flywheel/clutch combo. I don't think it's rated much over stick stuff, but not much posted on them. A more aggressive disk would help a lot, but not sure of the clamp force on that plate.

[CJ_]

Yep thats got to be it.. Heres the flywheel:

Is this flywheel compatible with anything that the stock dual mass flywheel is? Any recommendations for clutches then?
As the op states, k24s limited on stock block, daily driven, no flat shifting, maybe a launch here and there. Looking for a budget clutch that will hold me over til I can build the block one day.
Was looking at the projectB5 or cm fx400

[cinimod25461]

An rs4 clutch is probably the most budget friendly over stock, but I've heard of them not lasting very long, even on k04 cars. I'm loving my AMD setup so far.

[MarlinFoundNemo]

An rs4 clutch is probably the most budget friendly over stock, but I've heard of them not lasting very long, even on k04 cars. I'm loving my AMD setup so far.

AMD stage 3 and TTV lightweight flywheel right is what youre running right? Hopefully it holds up with those RS6's ;)

[cinimod25461]

AMD stage 3 and TTV lightweight flywheel right is what youre running right? Hopefully it holds up with those RS6's ;)

Yezzir! So far so good.

[MarlinFoundNemo]

Yezzir! So far so good.

Driven with the clutch in traffic yet? Planning to do a near identical build some day.. only questionable thing is the clutch because theres lots of traffic over here.

[cinimod25461]

Driven with the clutch in traffic yet? Planning to do a near identical build some day.. only questionable thing is the clutch because theres lots of traffic over here.

I daily my car and have driven it in traffic. A little trickier/grabbier than stock but not to the point where it's a PITA. Are you going to do a 6 speed swap?

[Corradovolksb]

Bummer it's not an rs4 but it wouldn't hold the k24 power even if it was. I'm running the southbend stage 3 daily with stock flywheel and it's been great so far. It starts slipping around 500tq so it will hold enough for k24s and stock block.

[zillarob]

I havent played with one of those fw, but look at it very closely.
It looks like the dowels are def different and it doesnt have the windows in the step to clear an oem style pp.

Other things to look at:
Step height the same?
Is the whole thing offset more to make up for a thinner pp?

That thing really could go either way and I wouldnt recommend getting creative unless you really know wtf you are doing.

[MarlinFoundNemo]

I daily my car and have driven it in traffic. A little trickier/grabbier than stock but not to the point where it's a PITA. Are you going to do a 6 speed swap?

Yeah thats on the top of my to-do list right now for the car. I'll likely rebuild the K03's though when I swap since being a HS senior an RS6 build is a pipe dream haha

[CJ_]

So I wouldnt be able to just throw in a new clutch disk with that flywheel and pp?

[cinimod25461]

Yeah thats on the top of my to-do list right now for the car. I'll likely rebuild the K03's though when I swap since being a HS senior an RS6 build is a pipe dream haha

Haha I feel it. I'm a college student with a part time job. What I do is save up money and then end up spending most of it on car parts lol. Can't wait to see you start your build.

So I wouldnt be able to just throw in a new clutch disk with that flywheel and pp?

I'd imagine you could throw a new disk in, as long as it's the same as what was in there before. Like @zillarob said, mixing and matching clutch setups would be risky unless you know what you're doing. What is your clutch/flywheel budget?

[CJ_]

An rs4 clutch is probably the most budget friendly over stock, but I've heard of them not lasting very long, even on k04 cars. I'm loving my AMD setup so far.

The AMD stage 3 is a 8 puck right? Do they work with stock flywheel?

Bummer it's not an rs4 but it wouldn't hold the k24 power even if it was. I'm running the southbend stage 3 daily with stock flywheel and it's been great so far. It starts slipping around 500tq so it will hold enough for k24s and stock block.

Yeah at this point I'm kind of wishing I had a stock flywheel. I guess we'll see how this one plays out.

[cinimod25461]

The AMD stage 3 is a 8 puck right? Do they work with stock flywheel?

Yes and yes. From what I understand, AMD modifies the pp to work with any flywheel. I'm using mine with a TTV flywheel and there are also guys using it with a stock flywheel.

[CJ_]

Haha I feel it. I'm a college student with a part time job. What I do is save up money and then end up spending most of it on car parts lol. Can't wait to see you start your build.


I'd imagine you could throw a new disk in, as long as it's the same as what was in there before. Like @zillarob said, mixing and matching clutch setups would be risky unless you know what you're doing. What is your clutch/flywheel budget?

Im in the same boat lol, Ive got one more year of college. Most of the money for my build came from my summer job.

I don't really have a budget for a clutch setup, but was hoping to pick up a clutch/pp in the $6-800 range.

[CJ_]

Yes and yes. From what I understand, AMD modifies the pp to work with any flywheel. I'm using mine with a TTV flywheel and there are also guys using it with a stock flywheel.

Hmm.. I wonder if the amd setup would work with this flywheel

[cinimod25461]

Im in the same boat lol, Ive got one more year of college. Most of the money for my build came from my summer job.

I don't really have a budget for a clutch setup, but was hoping to pick up a clutch/pp in the $6-800 range.

Haha nice. I actually go to a community college near me and my plan is to transfer to a 4-year in the fall. Can't remember off the top of my head what's out there for $600-800. I think you can get the AMD stage 1 or 2 for under $800; stage 3 and up will be around $860 shipped.

[Anonymous User]

Valeo made the kit so that you only can run valeo discs and plates, and they have a specific replacement part number too I believe.

[zillarob]

Hmm.. I wonder if the amd setup would work with this flywheel

It wouldnt really be a bolt on deal because of the dowels, and maybe the other things I mentioned.
My guess is it could be made to work pretty easily though.

[f4m0u5]

When i bought my s4 the clutch was fine till i qent from stage 1 to stage 2 then it started slipping. The previous owner said it was a new clutch. I put in a new clutch and what do you know. There was the same valeo combo and it doesnt hold for shit. My mechanic said it was still like new just couldnt handle the torque



I would either buy a new stock dmfw from rock auto for a lottle over $300 or a light weight flywherl. I personally bought a new dmfw off rock auto

[slow ride]

Well, that's not a good sign in it's torque capacity and for the price I'm sure it's a cast iron flywheel also. I remember back in the day someone sold a billet single mass flywheel for these cars on ebay for way less than it should of been, but I doubt many people bothered with it. I can see the ttv flywheel being worth the price, but places wanting $700-800 for them is a little nuts. The 2.7t just doesn't have enough numbers on the road to bring prices down.

[julex]

That's why you buy TTV Racing billet FW which is shipped from england and costs in high 400s once said and done. That's a good $300 less than any reasonable offering in USA and just about what others want for a decent aluminum FW (which is inferior to billet steel in many ways).

[CJ_]

Okay, so I'm thinking of buying the LUK dmfw off of rock auto for $300, and either going with the AMD stage 3 or ProjectB5 stage-X.. That would put me right at about $1000-1100. Does anyone have any other recommendations in that price range?

[erykv1]

i think i paid around that much for a fidanza lwfw and a clutch masters fx400. have a few friends running it on stage 3+ cars with no problems. one just rolled 60k on it with very spirited driving.

[incontrol7]

Im about to be in the same boat, kinda, sorta. Doing a 6-speed swap soon and I still need to choose a flywheel, pp, and disk... pretty much already had my mind set on that TTV flywheel because ive heard good things.

[christianb5s4]

i think i paid around that much for a fidanza lwfw and a clutch masters fx400. have a few friends running it on stage 3+ cars with no problems. one just rolled 60k on it with very spirited driving.

How much traffic/stop and go do you sit in? I'm thinking about the FX400 but concerned it won't last long enough with the amount of traffic I sit in commuting.

[CJ_]

i think i paid around that much for a fidanza lwfw and a clutch masters fx400. have a few friends running it on stage 3+ cars with no problems. one just rolled 60k on it with very spirited driving.

I was not wanting to go with a aluminum fw because of the chatter. Does that setup chatter at all?

[erykv1]

How much traffic/stop and go do you sit in? I'm thinking about the FX400 but concerned it won't last long enough with the amount of traffic I sit in commuting.

I haven't done much driving yet as I'm still wrapping up some final hiccups with my build. The other s4 that has this clutch sits in 30+ mins of traffic a day. As long as you get a full faced disk you should be fine. Pedal feel is very close to stock and very manageable.

I was not wanting to go with a aluminum fw because of the chatter. Does that setup chatter at all?

Yes there is some slight chatter under 2k RPM. I dont think you can go wrong with either. I don't have much experience with the TTV but it looks like a really well built unit.

[okkim]

An rs4 clutch is probably the most budget friendly over stock, but I've heard of them not lasting very long, even on k04 cars. I'm loving my AMD setup so far.

That is not true. I know few RS6'd cars with a lots of torque and they have driven hard more than 100 000 km's!

[incontrol7]

Im about to be in the same boat, kinda, sorta. Doing a 6-speed swap soon and I still need to choose a flywheel, pp, and disk... pretty much already had my mind set on that TTV flywheel because ive heard good things.

[Wagonholic]

An rs4 clutch is probably the most budget friendly over stock, but I've heard of them not lasting very long, even on k04 cars. I'm loving my AMD setup so far.

RS4 clutch is a lot stronger than most people think. most of the time it's because of improper break-in, or clutch abuse lol. I've got close to 30k on mine daily driving, and it's held up quite great to launches surprisingly. K04s + meth.

I have a friend who has an F21 car on E85 and is running a LUK RS4 setup with 65k on it. and 150+ antilag launches too. Still running it.

But I will agree, that anything above that and you're probably better off with a stronger setup. But the RS4 setup is proven, cheap, and great to daily drive with. I'm probably gonna get flamed for saying this, but I've heard from friends that the $75 eBay disc holds up quite well too lol.