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    S4 exhaust round up & review

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    I bought an exhaust and found it not suitable for my needs, not wanting other to do the same I set about testing a few. My main issue was the drone so the quest began to find my unicorn.

    Views are subjective and these reviews are based on my views and requirements.

    The infinity
    The quality was excellent, the tone was strong and deep, sounded great on overrun and on hard throttle. There was a slight drone at around 2.5k under load, as wales is all vallys, it's under load 50% of its life. The drone was not excessive but in a 4year olds world it interrupted the frozen watching on DVD it's the end of the world.
    I returned to infinity and they did not think they could get it to a level that would not drown out frozen a little. So we returned it to stock, frozen was once again returned to perfect clarity, o the joy !

    Round up..... Beefy sound, great build quality and fit, slight drone at 2.5k 8/10






    I was talking to a guy who had bought an S4 exhaust from eBay, he fitted it and removed it. I phoned him and asked if he had returned it yet, he said he had not so a plan was hatched. I was going to try and review a few a few exhausts and post the results here.

    I popped to his house and picked it up, drove straight to a friends garage and had it fitted.

    The EBay Specail
    This is a no name eBay special, straight out the gate it looks cheap and somewhat flimsy. Does not look worth its £400 price tag, fitting is a nightmare, nothing fits well, it has to be muscled on.
    As soon as its started its bad, sounds like it's touching the underside rattling, buzzing and knocking. I drove it up the road and o dear, it sounded bad, like every 17year olds nova with flick on bits. Did not sound beefy like the infinity, just sounded broken !
    I was in for the long run and thought I would run it for a week or until the owner had to return it. Took the wife out in it and she was mortified, the car really did sound like a shed. People stopped and turned and looked to see what was making this racket. Needless to say it was removed first thing this morning, on the drive home I had the song "silence is golden" stuck in my head lol

    Round up..... sounds broken, terrible cheap nasty poorly fitting Rubbish, knocks rattles 0/10





    Now the guy that bought the eBay jobbie has now bought a milltek, this arrives tomorrow and I have blagged it as he is working away from wednessday. So I should have it for a week to see what I think, I just have to pay to have it fitted to his car later.

    Milltek

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    Milltek is on, I have done about 100miles on it so far.


    Day one thoughts
    Quality was great, fitment was straightforward, went on like a dream. My guy in the garage claims he is getting a bit good at taking them on and off now.

    On to the road test, sounds deep and powerful on tickover with a satisfying burble. It's quite a loud system if I'm honest but it does suffer with some drone, not too intrusive but there none the less. Sounds very nice on song, the up shift farts sound great as does the down shift blip. Overrun sounds is amazing, sounds like there should be flames or lightning !

    Wife and child test this afternoon, my car has to live in two worlds. It can be a brash when I'm alone but has to do the school run without terrifying small children or getting disapproving looks from other parents.

    Following day
    Wife and child tested today, another 130 miles on it. Settled down a bit but still quite loud, asked my little one is it passing the frozen test.. No lol

    Wife said it was loud and picked up on the drone, she is driving it at the mo so will no doubt hear more on her return.

    Mid test thoughts
    I have put about 400 miles on the milltek now, does not seemed to have settled much as I would have expected and is still louder then I would like it to be. There is a drone/resonance that really is the killer on fast flow exhausts on auto S4's. Anyway the milltek comes off Saturday so I will give a full round up then.

    Milltek is off

    Did a lot of miles on it, did get a little quieter but not as much as I would have liked. Did suffer with the dreaded drone, at this price I would not have expected that. It did look and sound nice but not for me and not at this price.

    Round up .... Beefy sound, great build quality and fit, drone at 2300rpm, expensive 7/10





    Powerflow custom made

    This again was lent to me, my guys swapped the exhausts he had mine I had his for a week.
    My fitter said it felt a little heavy, quality looked good. It had already been run in so tone would not change. Quite a loud exhaust this one, very intrusive in the cabin. Got it to 2300rpm and boom.... The dreaded drone !
    This drone had an unpleasant effect on my ears like a vibration. The tone was good but very loud, the fart sounded good as did the overrun, lots of burble and popping. Even without the drone this would not be an exhaust for me, in a wrx or an evo maybe but we drive German luxury cars, if it too loud I think that cheapens them somewhat. It seems the owner agreed with me, he brought his stock exhaust and had that fitted back on. He had enjoyed having it stock again and will look for something new.

    Round up ..... Loud, loud, loud, big drone! Build quality and fit were good but just way too loud. 4/10






    Remus

    Some nice chap called Clive trusted me with his S4 for the day, he drove in to Cardiff for the day and I got the train in and was waiting for him a 8.45am. We rung my insurance and put a days cover on it.

    This exhaust has been on the car for years ( it's was on it when he bought it 18m ago ) so is well run in, first impressions was it was quieter more subtle then the other so far. Can not comment on fit or quality as it was on the car. Just tootaling round the street it was nice, not to loud but something there. Foot down it woke up a bit and sounded nice, the farts and blips on downshifts were clearly audible and a nice spit and burble on overrun..

    Now for the motorway run, could this be the one you all ask. ( To date I have only been out in one car that did not seem to drone. I was a passenger and it was a brief trip but was promising, more to come on this. )

    So I hit the motorway, started to build up some speed and ..... Drone at 2300-2500 sigh... Not massive, not painful but present this is not the holy grail. I would say this was probably the least drone but I want no drone damn it !

    Ran the car for about ten hours, city, town, mountain roads and motorway.

    Round up..... Nice sound, quite subtle highlights all the important parts of the drive, suffers some drone 8/10






    Scorpion exhaust

    This is the latest exhaust and its stunning ! I had a scorpion on my last Audi and loved it, it was on there when I bought it so can't take the credit.

    On to this one, amazing quality and light, I believe it's 7kg lighter then stock. Exit pipes are really lovely ( will get a photo when it stops raining, so June maybe lol )
    This exhaust is considerably quieter then the others tested, do not confuse this with sounding weak. It sounds the part but retains the classy refined Audi-ness we all bought. Sounds good on tick over, down shifts are clear and sound good as is the fart. It really comes alive under hard driving but never loses composure, most importantly
    No drone.... Yes you read it NO DRONE !

    It sounds better today as its settled in more, I'm sure over the next few day it will get better still. In the car it's clear there is a sporty sound but as I said more refined, subtle almost. For me this is perfect, enough you know it's not stock but not boy racer or ricer. ( Had the garage drive it today as I have a wheel baring type noise ) as it drove away Outside the car sounds purposeful and more aggressive but not overboard. When you push on a little it wakes up then, the sound far more agressive. IMO scorpion got the balance of sporty and refined spot on, you can see a lot of R&D has gone into this. I think I'm going to enjoy having this one on test.

    I will keep you filled in over the next week and give a final round up but this scorpion is a pleasure.


    Scorpion final round up

    I have been testing this exhaust for a considerable time now and just can not find fault with it. It sounds great, beefy without being garish, unobtrusive on your shopping run but gutsy when your playing. The car just sounds purposeful, like it means business but in a classy way, IMO the way an Audi should sound.

    I am totally besotted with this exhaust and would not hesitate to recommend it. The tips look great, you know it's not stock at a glance.

    I hate to do it and I really have tried but I just can not find a fault, I have to give it a 10/10

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    Wow great right up!! What dedication you had to try so many exhausts. Also glad to see you didn't go right for AWE!
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    But no awe tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceanzo View Post
    But no awe tho
    +1, seeing how popular they are, I would've at least tried that one before some showing in this list. still, thanks for sharing !!!

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    I got what I could get, if no one had one or more importantly were willing to let me have it removed then it was a no go. Some manufacturers were happy to loan on for testing others were not.

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    Can you also do an X-pipe mod comparison? I've heard good and bad things about the mod and haven't experienced it in person.
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    Great work testing these all out, +1 for your awesome British slang. "The car sounded like a shed." Lol love it.
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    AWE: Buy once, and be done with it.
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    What model Miltek did you have? Resonated or None Resonated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by priceprince View Post
    +1 for your awesome British slang. "The car sounded like a shed." Lol love it.
    Haha indeed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    ... and I have blagged it as he is working away from wednessday.
    Next time my roommate asks if I drank some of his beers I will have to admit I "blagged" a few lol
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    No res

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    Can the scorpion be purchase in the states? By the way nice review
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    Hi they are talking with distributors right now, in the meantime you can email here [email protected]

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    Sound clips on all of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Hi they are talking with distributors right now, in the meantime you can email here [email protected]
    I emailed and Marty responded accordingly. The system is expensive.

    SAU044SYS – Cat back system with polished tailpipes - retail price £1,560.00 price with forum discount £1,248.00



    SAU044SYSC – Cat back system with black tailpipes - retail price £1,640.00 price with forum discount £1,312.00



    SAU044 – Half system with polished tailpipes - retail price £1,150.00 price with forum discount £920.00



    SAU044C – Half system with black tailpipes - retail price £1,230.00 price with forum discount £984.00



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    So a bit over $1900 USD, on par with the other makes - but that shipping ><

    I liked how it sounded though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgaman View Post
    So a bit over $1900 USD, on par with the other makes - but that shipping ><

    I liked how it sounded though.
    Agreed! Still curious if the exhaust would pass US standards without throwing a code.

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    No I did not go for sound clips because for me if it droned it was out, no matter how good it sounds if it vibrates your brain at cursing speeds it's a no go. I am going to get sound clips of the Scorp but we have not had a dry day to get a good video.

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    Thanks for the write-up. As asked above, can you please clarify the config of the miltek setup? A few years back someone did recorded audio of many exhausts, and the miltek sounded the most like a burbly V8 (in my opinion). There are also clips of res and non-res.
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    Loving my scorpion exhaust, I would recommend it.
    I was looking at awe before, but shipping plus 20% import tax to the uk made the price astronomical.
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    Excellent review post for all of these systems, OP!

    Quote Originally Posted by A.C. View Post
    Agreed! Still curious if the exhaust would pass US standards without throwing a code.

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    US standards for? Emissions? None of these systems will throw any sort of code sinc all of the emissions components reside in exhaust parts before the downpipes. Its a win win! We are proud AWE Tuning and Milltek Supporters for the B8!

    If you're looking to do some snooping around, feel free to check out our website.

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    Sound clips and pictures when you get a chance, please. Of the sound clips I've heard so far, Neuspeed has sounded the best to me but almost no one on here seems to have tried it out (with rare exception: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...t-Back-Exhaust)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excelerate Rep View Post
    Excellent review post for all of these systems, OP!




    US standards for? Emissions? None of these systems will throw any sort of code sinc all of the emissions components reside in exhaust parts before the downpipes. Its a win win! We are proud AWE Tuning and Milltek Supporters for the B8!

    If you're looking to do some snooping around, feel free to check out our website.

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    Thanks and I will. AWE is my preferred choice when I decide to purchase and Milltek is a close second. I do have a question concerning downpipes and couldn't find a thread to define their purpose. For turbos I understand however with SC & NA engines are they required and what's their functionality? From a resonated & non-resonated perspective. Of course back in the day it was cats or straight pipes. Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tweakophyte View Post
    Thanks for the write-up. As asked above, can you please clarify the config of the miltek setup? A few years back someone did recorded audio of many exhausts, and the miltek sounded the most like a burbly V8 (in my opinion). There are also clips of res and non-res.
    I did answer bud none res

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    All I would say before you choose, ask if they drone. There is a sweet spot about 2300-2500 rpm on the auto S4 where most of these exhausts drone/resonate. 2300rpm is 70mph cruising speed but is also under load uphill in 3rd, it's like the whole car resonates. To me that is the killer for the exhaust no matter how sexy it sounds.

    That was the whole point of this test, to find the holy grail. Good power increase, good sound no drone. The scorpion is 20bph ish dyno proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.C. View Post
    Thanks and I will. AWE is my preferred choice when I decide to purchase and Milltek is a close second. I do have a question concerning downpipes and couldn't find a thread to define their purpose. For turbos I understand however with SC & NA engines are they required and what's their functionality? From a resonated & non-resonated perspective. Of course back in the day it was cats or straight pipes. Thanks in advance

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    You aren't going to get more or less power from the addition of downpipes on this platform and they aren't required. It's more for fine tuning the sound. Think of AWE cat back with stock downpipes as the middle ground. Add the Res Downpipes and it'll be a tad quieter (and less drone), Add the Non-Res Downpipes and it'll be louder (and more drone). Take your pick. I have the AWE catback with stock downpipes and love it but like you'll read in multiple threads it's all personal preference. Drone levels are subjective from person to person. I say keep the stock downpipes and see how you like that. You can always add res or non-res later if you want to make it quieter or louder. AWE recommends the Res Downpipes for DSG to battle the "dreaded" drone. I personally don't think it's that bad though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creativecody View Post
    You aren't going to get more or less power from the addition of downpipes on this platform and they aren't required. It's more for fine tuning the sound. Think of AWE cat back with stock downpipes as the middle ground. Add the Res Downpipes and it'll be a tad quieter (and less drone), Add the Non-Res Downpipes and it'll be louder (and more drone). Take your pick. I have the AWE catback with stock downpipes and love it but like you'll read in multiple threads it's all personal preference. Drone levels are subjective from person to person. I say keep the stock downpipes and see how you like that. You can always add res or non-res later if you want to make it quieter or louder. AWE recommends the Res Downpipes for DSG to battle the "dreaded" drone. I personally don't think it's that bad though.
    Thanks for the update. I have 6mt and was thinking about AWE track w/stock or resonated dps or Touring w/non-resonated dps. I like the sound of the track but looks of the touring better. Again much appreciated. Kinda newbie per-say

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.C. View Post
    Thanks for the update. I have 6mt and was thinking about AWE track w/stock or resonated dps or Touring w/non-resonated dps. I like the sound of the track but looks of the touring better. Again much appreciated. Kinda newbie per-say

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    You'll have less drone issues since you have a 6mt. Now you just gotta decide how loud you wanna be. I strongly recommend trying to hear these options (or any exhausts) you're considering as videos don't fully capture the real sound. If you can find someone near you with one of those setups it would be worth it to hear it in person. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by creativecody View Post
    You'll have less drone issues since you have a 6mt. Now you just gotta decide how loud you wanna be. I strongly recommend trying to hear these options (or any exhausts) you're considering as videos don't fully capture the real sound. If you can find someone near you with one of those setups it would be worth it to hear it in person. Good luck!
    Sounds good thanks. Occasionally the DMV they have cars and coffee in Annapolis. Additionally I will post anyone in my vicinity to let me hear they're setup. Only other option is to drive to AWE tuning in PA. Approximately 3 hrs away and have them install the exhaust of my choice .

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    Make sure you try it at the 2300-2500 rpm mark, that is the drone zone as I like to call it. If you have ever been in a car with large subwoofers in it where the whole car buzzes that is somewhat how drone feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taff View Post
    Make sure you try it at the 2300-2500 rpm mark, that is the drone zone as I like to call it. If you have ever been in a car with large subwoofers in it where the whole car buzzes that is somewhat how drone feels.
    Excellent and thanks for the update. I previously owned a mk3 glx VR6 with techtonic borla exhaust. Best combo for that car. If I can mimic that sound without overbearing drone that's where I would like to be.

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    Maybe you are not a good candidate for aftermarket exhausts

    They are louder, they do drone, stock is whisper quiet and is already on your car. The Germans designed it that way.

    IMHO stick with stock.

    I have Milltek Res - love it and am constantly asked what it is. That AZ comparison mentioned above sold me on it. Its full, burbly and a lot of fun.

    You might be over-thinking this. Stick with what you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Advocate View Post
    They are louder, they do drone, stock is whisper quiet and is already on your car. The Germans designed it that way.

    IMHO stick with stock.

    I have Milltek Res - love it and am constantly asked what it is. That AZ comparison mentioned above sold me on it. Its full, burbly and a lot of fun.

    You might be over-thinking this. Stick with what you have.
    Maybe you've never experienced one that's as well developed as this scorpion 1. I have it on my car, it isn't any louder than stock when driving normally in traffic or in the motorway, and there is absolutely zero drone what so ever, yet put your foot down and the noise comes alive! I've got a miltek non red on my B6 s4 and love the noise that makes but this scorpion job is in a different league as it offers the best of both worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilort View Post
    Sound clips and pictures when you get a chance, please. Of the sound clips I've heard so far, Neuspeed has sounded the best to me but almost no one on here seems to have tried it out (with rare exception: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...t-Back-Exhaust)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi Advocate View Post
    They are louder, they do drone, stock is whisper quiet and is already on your car. The Germans designed it that way.

    IMHO stick with stock.

    I have Milltek Res - love it and am constantly asked what it is. That AZ comparison mentioned above sold me on it. Its full, burbly and a lot of fun.

    You might be over-thinking this. Stick with what you have.
    I appreciate the sentiments however I already know I'm going to swap the exhaust. Just too quiet for me. Now my wife would like for me to spend the money on kitchen cabinets but the exhaust "sounds" like a better proposal.

    Sent from my mind

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    For me there is only one option, the scorpion.
    I am in no way involved with scorpion, my recommendation is based solely from my testing. Scorpion understood there was an issue with drone and set about designing it out, I was starting to lose hope, then the scorpion arrived. I was sceptical, after trying all the others but it was true zero drone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdqgp View Post
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