Front and rear door speakers suggestions?!

[sedio309]

Another question...
I have a B5 2.8L quattro AVANT and im searching for the best (good cheap, and requires NO modification) speakers for the doors

Searching internet many people says that sices are 4" front and, 5.25" rear doors, BUT others says 5.25" front and rear...

the thing is that I want speakers that sounds good and that no requires modifications in doors pannels....

I like this ones:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBL-GTO509C-...AAAOSwFnFV~gaC

but I need to know ...first...if 3ohms fits.....and if the top-mount depth: 2-1/4" fits without touching the glass or something inside...

and maybe you have any advice??

Thanks
Claudio

[bmos]

Do you have Bose or standard?
You'll know if you have Bose if the speaker grilles say Bose on them.
Also, what year is your Avant?

If you have Bose, I highly recommend the speaker setup I went with. The only change (which I have yet to perform) would be a sub upgrade to fix the junk Bose unit.
It's definitely a lot better in the higher frequencies but needs a good sub to balance out the lows.

[sedio309]

no...no Bose, Std... with a Concert headunit
mine is a ´99 avant

[bmos]

no...no Bose, Std... with a Concert headunit
mine is a ´99 avant

In that case you want 4ohm speakers, ideally.
I'm pretty sure you want 6.5" speakers for the rear door but I can't speak to any discussion model.

[sedio309]

6.5" fits in rear doors?? I thougt that 5.25" is the original diameter!

[Bordom]

4" front speakers + 1" tweeters, 6.5" rear doors, 6.5" rear deck.

Total 8 speakers.

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[MrSnickelsnizer]

4" front speakers + 1" tweeters, 6.5" rear doors, 6.5" rear deck.

Total 8 speakers.

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^^This^^

[sedio309]

I have no Rear Deck..its an AVANT

I have 2 speakers and 2 tweeters in front doors and I assume (because no sound came out of the griles) 2 in rear doors

[Bordom]

There should still be an 8" sub in the back

[richardodn]

99 Avant with standard sound has

Front doors - 4" mid-woofs with component tweeters and crossover network. 4 ohm. These are driven directly by the head unit at 2x20W
Rear doors - 6.5" coax speakers with the tweeters angled up. 4 ohm
Subwoofer - 6" (I think, definitely not 8") DVC sub with each coil having 3 ohm impedence.

The rears and sub are driven by a 4 channel amp that is part of the sub assembly. I guess that this is likely a 4x20W @4 ohms amplifier. As the sub coils are 3 ohm, they are likely getting about 2x30W.

[richardodn]

If you aren't into upgrading the amps and stuff, you can get halfway decent sound by installing some 5 1/4" speakers in the front door. It's a very tight fit and special adapters are required. Just retain the stock tweeters and crossover. Look for speakers with about a 40-50W peak rating. You'll get plenty of bass although it might be a bit muddy. I'd retain the rear door speakers and sub as they are. If you are looking for more, then be prepared to basically redo everything including the amps.

[richardodn]

If you aren't getting any sound from the sub and rear speakers, you may have either a blown amp or somehow it's been disconnected from the head unit. It's possible that someone installed an adapter and ended up disconnecting the line out to the rear amp.

[richardodn]

Finallly, just to be sure I want to verify that it's non-Bose. The speaker grilles will not have the Bose logo and the head unit does not say Bose on startup. If either of these are wrong, you may simply have a misconfigured system. When I bought my Avant, it was a non-Bose speaker setup but the PO had put a head unit configured for Bose in. That didn't work too well.

[sedio309]

ok...lets see...that will help me a lot...but lets separete some things..
I havent take the door panels off, so, everything I tell you is conditioned...
-My headunit is a Concert with cassette, NO Bose in startup, No Bose signals in door speakers grilles, So I asume its no Bose.
-for any reason...no sound came from rear doors..so something is wrong...doors have grilles for speakers but no sound...
-I have no idea where de fuck is the 8" woofer if it has it....I think mine does not have one.. only "S" line but mine its a 2.8L V6 30v Quattro...please tell me where to look for it
-Are you sure rear door speakers are 6.5"??? its the first time in the internet I read this diammeter..
-where is the rear speakers amp?? you told me thet rears are feeded from the sub assambly..but if I dont have sub..where to find that amp??? I read somewhere that is in the left rear door....??



in the other hand Im thinking in something like this for rear doors:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...E7RGJXDIVZRIFH

and somthing component (maybe you can tell me what to look for) in front...

Thanks
Claudio

[richardodn]

The sub itself is hidden inside the rear cargo left side panel. If you take off the access panel for the CD changer you can see parts of the enclosure. As I said, it's only about a 6" sub. Here's an internet pic of the sub in place with the panel removed.



The amp is mounted on the top of the sub enclosure. You can see the wires in the picture. Like I said, take off that access panel and verify it's there. As for speakers, don't worry about them yet. Get your system working properly first. And I would start by pulling the head unit out and verify the connections. You'll need the radio removal tools. Search ebay/amazon for "Audi radio tool." You need two for the single DIN Concert head unit.

As for speakers, my recommendation for systems with the stock amp is to keep the rears and to change the fronts to 5 1/4. However you will need fabrication skills to fit those.

The rear amp pinouts are the ones in the line out section.
http://elsegra.com/Car%20pinouts/Audi.htm

[sedio309]

Ok.. Maybe I touched something wrong, I installed a Connect2 Bluetooth device, and (as I didn't know) I think I disconnected the line out connectors, I'll check that, I have to get the removal tools for my own... Your help is very precious, I'll keep update

[sedio309]

other question....
Every speaker is 4 ohms?? including the subwoofer?? or are diferent??

[yamto72]

5.25" speakers in the front doors make for a nice upgrade. I used coaxial Alpines and don't even miss the tweeters. I did use Autoleads adapters to make the bigger speakers fit in the factory location.

Speakers
Adapters

I posted a write-up over on AudiWorld (link) that has some pics. I have a sedan so sorry, can't help with the rear speakers in your Avant.

[Bordom]

other question....
Every speaker is 4 ohms?? including the subwoofer?? or are diferent??

Yes. All your speakers are 4 ohm

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[sedio309]

Wow...very good job..
in my case I had this:
http://www.connects2.co.uk/Product/P...tem/CTAADBT003
but I think I had connected wrong to the HU..and this causes no sound from the bak (no amp)

Question:
so you used the old amp connector to keep the rear doors harness untouched...right?? and the blue cables that lands in the new amp came from that old connector?!

How you managed the front speakers wiring to the rear as you now have it feeded from the new apm?

(sorry for my english..is not my lenguage)

Thanks
Claudio

[richardodn]

Front speakers get power direct from the head unit. In the pinout diagram you'll see the connector labeled with LF (Left Front) and RF (Right Front).

In your kit, there is the breakout connector cable with one red end and the multicolor end. You would take the blue and green sections from your Bluetooth interface unit and combine that with the yellow from the breakout cable. These plug in to the head unit. The blue and green connectors on the breakout cable are unused. Then you take the old harness connector that used to plug into the head unit and plug that into the red connector on the breakout cable so that line out still passes to the harness and back to the amp for the rear doors and sub.

As for your English, it's fine.

[sedio309]

Yes all of that is what I'm figuring out now... When I install that I didn't know what was "line out", on the weekend I'll check everything once again to have the correct decision on what to upgrade.

Another question : how good is the Hu? It's a Concert one, with cassette, and a CD charger in the trunk. I know that I can upgrade the Hu, but I don't want to change the original fascia.

[richardodn]

It's likely your Bluetooth unit disabled the CD changer as it uses the head unit connections the CD used to use. I think the head unit is good enough. I just added an Aux in/USB adapter similar to your Bluetooth and that gives me all the options I need. Although Bluetooth would be nice, it's actually the car my kids drive so they can suffer. ;)

If I ever did want to do a complete system overhaul, I'd start by sourcing the Audi double DIN fascia from later B5 models. That would open you up to a bunch more options.

[yamto72]

Question:
so you used the old amp connector to keep the rear doors harness untouched...right?? and the blue cables that lands in the new amp came from that old connector?!

How you managed the front speakers wiring to the rear as you now have it feeded from the new apm?

If that question was to me, originally I intended to use the harness for the rear factory amp, but I was advised to instead run power (8ga minumum) directly to the battery. So I ran all new wires for everything (power/ground, RCAs, Speaker).

[sedio309]

Ok, you wire up the rear doors speakers and the amp. All new right? Or you used old wires for something?

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[yamto72]

Ok, you wire up the rear doors speakers and the amp. All new right? Or you used old wires for something?

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Yes all new. If you want to keep things simple you can continue to run the front speakers off the HU and the rear speakers off a new amp. I can't speak to the connections available for the rear speakers in the Avant but I have seen a couple write-ups for the Sedan and the wires for power, ground, and line level audio are right there in the harness. One write-up re-used the factory amp (which on the Sedan is part of the driver-side rear speaker).

[sedio309]

Does any anybody know which wattage can I fit in every place (rear, front and subwoofer), without changing the amplifier?

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[richardodn]

Each amplifier channel is about 20W RMS @4 ohms. You will want speakers rated at about 40-50W @4 ohm max power. The existing sub is a dual voice coil 3 ohm/coil that's about 6" diameter. I doubt you'll ever find anything that's a good replacement for it. If you go with a DVC 4 ohm unit, you'll lose some power although you might end up with more accurate bass. If you go with a DVC 2 ohm unit you may end up killing the amp.

[sedio309]

So your advice is to find 4x 5.25" @ 4ohm, and a 6" @ 3 ohm subwoofer for the trunk....?

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[richardodn]

If you aren't into upgrading the amps and stuff, you can get halfway decent sound by installing some 5 1/4" speakers in the front door. It's a very tight fit and special adapters are required. Just retain the stock tweeters and crossover. Look for speakers with about a 40-50W peak rating. You'll get plenty of bass although it might be a bit muddy. I'd retain the rear door speakers and sub as they are. If you are looking for more, then be prepared to basically redo everything including the amps.

So your advice is to find 4x 5.25" @ 4ohm, and a 6" @ 3 ohm subwoofer for the trunk....?

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No. My advice is to replace only the front speakers unless you are ready to completely redo the entire system.

[sedio309]

Great, does somebody know how to remove the rear panel Y the avant? The one where the sw is... And maybe any tutorial or scheme...

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[sedio309]

Ok, I I've chequed the connections and I missed some things, so now, the rear doors speakers and the trunk's sw are online again.
So, taking your advice, I will only upgrade the front door speakers.
I'll buy the housing adapter, so I can fit 5.25".
Now, which ones? Component or two ways? Model? Brand? I can spend no more than 150 dollars, in amazon or eBay.

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[richardodn]

I can't help you with the adapters as I made my own. I don't have a specific recommendation for the fronts, but I would go with components. Install just the woofer as the tweeters are pretty decent. If it turns out you don't like the sound with the factory tweeters, you can always add the component ones. You don't need anything extravagant. Just look for something the 30-50W RMS (60-100W peak) range. I personally prefer Blaupunkt or Alpine but I'm not sure what they have in that range.

[sedio309]

Great! Thanks to all!

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[sedio309]

Ok, I bought a pair of jbl component, do I have to install everything or just the speaker?
Do you recommend to keep the stock tweeters?

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[richardodn]

I'd start with mounting just the woofers while using the existing tweeter and crossover. Essentially that means mounting the speakers and using the existing speaker connections. My concern with tweeters that are mounted in the upper doors like ours are is ones that are too bright or brassy. In those top locations they sound like crap. The factory ones are decent and well matched to the location. That's why I recommend leaving them in place.