biggest fear, is my reality :-(

[das4]

I finished my stage 3 build/tip to 6 swap. after getting everything back together, I filled all fluids and followed the initial startup procedure. after going to start it, I hear a click, almost like the starter tried, but is stuck. I can't say for sure that's it, but that's what it sounds like to me. I've double checked connections and am stumped. 034 did the ECU reprogram for manual using M box. I don't think that's it, but again, can't say for sure. any advice would be greatly appreciated. I really hope this project wasn't for not

[Royal769sr]

I finished my stage 3 build/tip to 6 swap. after getting everything back together, I filled all fluids and followed the initial startup procedure. after going to start it, I hear a click, almost like the starter tried, but is stuck. I can't say for sure that's it, but that's what it sounds like to me. I've double checked connections and am stumped. 034 did the ECU reprogram for manual using M box. I don't think that's it, but again, can't say for sure. any advice would be greatly appreciated. I really hope this project wasn't for not

Remove the starter and have it checked. What are you afraid of exactly?

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[jturnbull]

The starter may be in there at an angle and binding with the tone ring. try and adjust it before anything else.

[new2s5]

Dead battery??

[das4]

okay I'll give that a shot first. @royal769 sr: just have an uneasy feeling when it doesn't fire up after 5 weeks of work on it

[das4]

Dead battery??

it's not a dead battery kind of click. volt meter on the dash reads 12-13 when I turn key to On

[nynoah]

So pull the starter and check it to see if it works.

[das4]

the ground strap for the starter is the cable on underside of passenger frame rail, correct?

[sjmelling]

the ground strap for the starter is the cable on underside of passenger frame rail, correct?

Yes, I ran into same issue on my first motor pull. Tightened up the ground and she fired right up. Good luck!

[reverse.rake]

check yer grounds, had a similar issue

[axnjaksn]

I finished my stage 3 build/tip to 6 swap. after getting everything back together, I filled all fluids and followed the initial startup procedure. after going to start it, I hear a click, almost like the starter tried, but is stuck. I can't say for sure that's it, but that's what it sounds like to me. I've double checked connections and am stumped. 034 did the ECU reprogram for manual using M box. I don't think that's it, but again, can't say for sure. any advice would be greatly appreciated. I really hope this project wasn't for not

can you turn the motor over by hand aka with a breaker bar or torq wrench??

[Royal769sr]

Dude.. I know how you feel. Been paying insurance on a car that all I seem to do is pull the motor out and mess with things all the time

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[Royal769sr]

But mechanical stuff seems easier to fix then most electrical demons

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[das4]

can you turn the motor over by hand aka with a breaker bar or torq wrench??

yes I can

[axnjaksn]

yes I can

well there ya go, that's a start of some good news. that would be my worst fear, hearing the clicking and the engine not turning over anymore.....probably just the starter....

[das4]

what's the best way to test a faulty starter

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it's worth noting the starter worked just fine prior to the 6 speed swap

[das4]

FWIW, this isn't my video, but this is similar to what mine sounds like: http://youtu.be/9qVHp0VVUJs

his gauges and everything turn off when he attempts to start but mine do not. everything stays illuminated on my car

[rguil]

You could bench test it by removing it and hooking it upto a 12 volt source. the housing of the starter itself is the ground.
it would be hard to misalign the starter unless you have a fancy pants flywheel and the tone ring is all messed up.

Like others said, id check grounds and the 2 wires on the starter itself again.

[s9chelil]

If it helps any I had a seized alternator pulley which prevented my car from starting and acted similar to a dead battery. I Could turn engine without accessory belt on. Only way I found it was when I tried to get a new one and found I couldn't take pulley assembly off. So I tried using the car To hold alternator by putting it back on and managed to turn the pulley. Put everything back together and fired right up.

[das4]

If it helps any I had a seized alternator pulley which prevented my car from starting and acted similar to a dead battery. I Could turn engine without accessory belt on. Only way I found it was when I tried to get a new one and found I couldn't take pulley assembly off. So I tried using the car To hold alternator by putting it back on and managed to turn the pulley. Put everything back together and fired right up.

I was thinking maybe it was something preventing engine from turning, but when I turn the crank by hand, everything spins freely. I also took note of the writing on the accessory belt. when I attempt to start it doesn't budge which tells me the starter, or something, is preventing anything from turning. this HAS to be that starter. not looking forward to pulling stuff back out, but it comes with the territory on these cars

[das4]

You could bench test it by removing it and hooking it upto a 12 volt source. the housing of the starter itself is the ground.
it would be hard to misalign the starter unless you have a fancy pants flywheel and the tone ring is all messed up.

Like others said, id check grounds and the 2 wires on the starter itself again.

nope, OEM flywheel. I'll check the wiring. maybe when I'm attempting to start, there's a loose connection and it jumps off contact? idk. I'll triple check and worst case, pull the starter

[Yesmar]

Are the tip and 6speed starters the same? Did you pull the starter and try it with jumper cable directly to the starter off the car?

[zillarob]

That does seem like a starter or juice problem. Did you paint a bunch of shit and forget to leave a path to ground?

[das4]

so, not anywhere near worth the stress I gave it last night. got it fired up. I only hand tightened the second, flatter starter nut. make sense that the starter would "pop" when i tried firing it. the current/spark was jumping the cable off of the post, losing power. tightened it up, and boom, reliable start every time. here's how she sits:



looks a lot better in person. zilla: is it normal for my RPMs to sit here with a 034 93 octane tune?

[zillarob]

No telling, it depends on how it was tuned.

Prob around 800 when all warmed up usually so doesnt look crazy or anything.
Turning up the idle might also help get around idle misfires.

[vavJETTAw36]

No telling, it depends on how it was tuned.

Prob around 800 when all warmed up usually so doesnt look crazy or anything.
Turning up the idle might also help get around idle misfires.

What he said. I did this to mine it helped smooth out the idle. I'm idling at 950. Easy to do in vcds


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[das4]

No telling, it depends on how it was tuned.

Prob around 800 when all warmed up usually so doesnt look crazy or anything.
Turning up the idle might also help get around idle misfires.

so it's not under load, but it only revs up to about 5500 RPM. I do not have vag com, which I'm assuming I really need now that I'm stage 3 in this pig. any ideas of what the problem could be?

[DieselElectric]

Get it all together and take it for a drive before worrying further. Mine only revs to 4200 when under 3mph, but then it spits fire. ;-)

Seriously though, it is probably just the tune keeping it at 5500. Best bet is to contact 034.

[das4]

Get it all together and take it for a drive before worrying further. Mine only revs to 4200 when under 3mph, but then it spits fire. ;-)

Seriously though, it is probably just the tune keeping it at 5500. Best bet is to contact 034.

you da man. will do. rebuilding a CV joint tomorrow then throwing it all back and dropping it for a TD. thanks to everyone for the help along the way. couldn't have, at least correctly, done this build without the help and archives along the way. huge fan of the B5 and always will be

[zillarob]

Cars with vss unplugged are limited to 5k. Not sure what mph enables the higher limiter in stock config.

[das4]

Cars with vss unplugged are limited to 5k. Not sure what mph enables the higher limiter in stock config.

I believe that bigger is plugged in. I'll double check it. and the speedo works

[incontrol7]

Yay das4! I got about $800 saved for swap parts. Wish i was doing some turbo things too ;)

[das4]

Yay das4! I got about $800 saved for swap parts. Wish i was doing some turbo things too ;)

let me know if you need help along the way. I asked a ton of questions. not gonna lie, it's a biatch of a project, BUT definitely worth it if you set your mind to it, not horrendous. total time to get where I am was 5 weeks, but that includes a ton of tear down engine and rebuilding crap. and taking days off here and there. and working a full time career. these cars should've never been tip!

[zillarob]

I believe that bigger is plugged in. I'll double check it. and the speedo works

How fast were you moving when it had the 5k limit

Not sure what mph enables the higher limiter

[das4]

it wasn't down. i have it up and supported. I haven't rev'd in gear. and won't, not too comfortable with that. it was with gear in neutral that j hit the 5200-ish rpm limit

[zillarob]

That would be it then.

You can change those numbers around for a type of launch control.

[das4]

That would be it then.

You can change those numbers around for a type of launch control.

ah. they did program with launch control. that makes sense

[das4]

That would be it then.

You can change those numbers around for a type of launch control.

how do I turn launch control off? I actually don't need/want it really they just added it to my tune

[zillarob]

There are a few different types of launch control so hard to say.
All of them will require you to pull the file off the ecu, make changes, and flash it back.
This can be from easy, to impossible depending on your tune.

It only activates under certain conditions that you will prob never see unless you are trying to get it to activate.
Easiest thing to do would be to find out which kind you have, and learn what those conditions are.

This is info on the native style lc if interested.
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/foru...ic=151.0title=

[das4]

There are a few different types of launch control so hard to say.
All of them will require you to pull the file off the ecu, make changes, and flash it back.
This can be from easy, to impossible depending on your tune.

It only activates under certain conditions that you will prob never see unless you are trying to get it to activate.
Easiest thing to do would be to find out which kind you have, and learn what those conditions are.

This is info on the native style lc if interested.
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/foru...ic=151.0title=

as always, thanks.. reading through it