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  1. #1
    Established Member Two Rings
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    HELP- Have spark, compression, cam alignment, New Sensors ect ect... Still no Start

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    I recently purchased a Stage 3 b5, however it did not start. It will crank and crank but will not do anything more. I then ran a few VAG-COM scans to see of an issue presented its self.
    The scans are as follows.
    //First Scan
    Monday,14,December,2015,19:38:12:20317
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
    Control Module Part Number: 8D0 907 551 M
    Component and/or Version: 2.7l V6/5VT 0002
    Software Coding: 06611
    Work Shop Code: WSC 87119
    VCID: 3467E91A0474329E89-5142
    12 Faults Found:

    17772 - Cylinder 4 Ignition Circuit
    P1364 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
    16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
    P0300 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
    16689 - Cylinder 5
    P0305 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
    16685 - Cylinder 1
    P0301 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
    16688 - Cylinder 4
    P0304 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
    16686 - Cylinder 2
    P0302 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
    17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2
    P1335 - 35-10 - Control Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
    16687 - Cylinder 3
    P0303 - 35-10 - Misfire Detected - Intermittent
    16486 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)
    P0102 - 35-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    17766 - Cylinder 2 Ignition Circuit
    P1358 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
    18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
    P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
    18020 - Engine Control Module Incorrectly Coded
    P1612 - 35-00 -

    Readiness: 0000 0000


    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
    Data version: 20150904
    www.Ross-Tech.com

    Monday,14,December,2015,19:53:33:20317

    Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2001)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

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    Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 907 551 M
    Component: 2.7l V6/5VT 0002
    Coding: 06611
    Shop #: WSC 87119
    VCID: 3467E91A0474329E89-5142

    No Faults Found
    or DTCs not supported by controller
    or a communication error occurred

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 907 389 E
    Component: ABS/ESP allrad D56
    Coding: 04395
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 3561D41E0F0E2B96BE-5142

    1 Fault Found:
    18256 - Please check DTC Memory of Engine Controller
    P1848 - 35-00 -

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
    Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
    Coding: 00160
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 2D51FC7EE75E6356C6-2586

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
    Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
    Coding: 00306
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 3A7BC7222610C4EE53-515E

    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+
    07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 920 981 B
    Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D12
    Coding: 02264
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 2B55F266D94A6D66D8-5142

    2 Faults Found:
    00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
    30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.lbl
    Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
    Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D16
    Coding: 16232
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 408FB5CA40CC9E3E1D-4EB2

    6 Faults Found:
    01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
    35-00 - -
    01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
    35-00 - -
    01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
    35-00 - -
    01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
    35-00 - -
    00955 - Key 1
    09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed
    00956 - Key 2
    09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 951 173
    Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
    Coding: 00102
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 60CF554AE00CFE3E3D-4B1A

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 907 357
    Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
    Coding: 00012
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 65C1445EFF2E9B16CE-51B8

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 035 195 A
    Component: Radio D00
    Coding: 00110
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 2447195AB494A21E19-4AD0

    No fault code found.

    // At this point I decided it would be a good idea to replace the Crank Position sensor and the coolant temp. sensor, the car still wouldn't start so, I cleared the codes and now it was time to scan again.
    // Second Scan
    VCDS Version: Release 15.7.1 (x64) Running on Windows 7 x64
    Data version: 20150904
    www.Ross-Tech.com

    Tuesday,15,December,2015,18:58:30:20317

    Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2001)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 907 551 M
    Component: 2.7l V6/5VT 0002
    Coding: 06611
    Shop #: WSC 87119
    VCID: 3467E91A0474329E89-5142

    2 Faults Found:
    18020 - Engine Control Module Incorrectly Coded
    P1612 - 35-00 -
    18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
    P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
    Readiness: 0110 0000

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8D0-907-389.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 907 389 E
    Component: ABS/ESP allrad D56
    Coding: 04395
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 3561D41E0F0E2B96BE-5124

    1 Fault Found:
    18256 - Please check DTC Memory of Engine Controller
    P1848 - 35-00 -

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
    Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
    Coding: 00160
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 2D51FC7EE75E6356C6-258C

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
    Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
    Coding: 00306
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 3A7BC7222610C4EE53-515E

    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+
    07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 920 981 B
    Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D12
    Coding: 02264
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 2B55F266D94A6D66D8-5142

    2 Faults Found:
    00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
    30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
    01314 - Engine Control Module
    49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.lbl
    Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
    Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D16
    Coding: 16232
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 408FB5CA40CC9E3E1D-4ECE

    6 Faults Found:
    01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
    35-00 - -
    01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
    35-00 - -
    01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
    35-00 - -
    01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
    35-00 - -
    00955 - Key 1
    09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed
    00956 - Key 2
    09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 951 173
    Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
    Coding: 00102
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 60CF554AE00CFE3E3D-4B1A

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 907 357
    Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
    Coding: 00012
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 65C1445EFF2E9B16CE-519A

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 8D0 035 195 A
    Component: Radio D00
    Coding: 00110
    Shop #: WSC 06435
    VCID: 2447195AB494A21E19-4B4C

    No fault code found.
    //
    I should also mention that the car has been tuned by Motoza, and to the best of my knowledge that is what is causing the ECU incorrectly coded Error. I have been trouble shooting the car for the past few days, I have checked all of the codes and the only thing I can come up with is the ECU not grounding the injectors to open them, (I have checked this with a multimeter and test light with no avail) and in turn send fuel to the cylinders. This is because I have fuel at the rail (a lot of it, just put in a new High Pressure pump), I have spark, and I have compression as well as proper Camshaft Alignment. BUT I have also tried to get the car to fire on starting fluid with no luck, so this may mean that the ICMs are broken or fried, maybe due to the fact that the previous owner had them dangling by the chord in the fender well, and all the while having no fender liner in place, so they have been sprayed by water and road grit for who knows how long. Im not sure if broken ICMs would result in a no-start scenario though. I also have no CEL when I try to crank the car.
    Any help will be appreciated, im sure im missing a sensor or wire somewhere. Im sure im also missing details so please ask. And sorry this post is so wordy...
    I just want to get this thing running.

  2. #2
    Established Member Two Rings
    Join Date
    May 30 2015
    AZ Member #
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    canada

    yes broken ICMs would cause a crank no start.check all your grounds if you havent already, i had similar codes/crank no start when the main earth strap was broken.

  3. #3
    Veteran Member Four Rings zillarob's Avatar
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    Location
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    You have esp? If so, coding to 06711 will get rid of a few codes.
    Torque monitor 2 code is prob a tune problem.
    Make sure the tune is for the maf you have.
    There are only 2 things needed to make an Audi work properly - Duct tape and WD40. If it moves and it shouldn't - Duct tape. If it doesn’t move and it should - WD40.

  4. #4
    Established Member Two Rings
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    I've done some research on the and I belive Torque Monitor 2 code is an issue caused by low voltage to the starter, I've run a few more scans with a jumper hooked to a running car. This resolved a few codes.

  5. #5
    Established Member Two Rings
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    Thank you, I belive that this is the issue, I've spent hours looking for grounds, I also grounded the ICMs with a bracket to the side of the fender. Before I did this it wouldn't crank, We also varified that the injectors are getting a pulse with a injector test light.

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