PB5 R1 smic's any good?

[S4gasm2.7t]

Straight forward question, I'm looking at either SRM sidemounts or PB5 R1 sidemounts. I know people love the SRM ones but I'm not looking to drop $700 "IF" I don't have to. But am willing to pay if it's definitely way worth the extra money vs R1's. I do understand they probably won't be as good as SRM but if they're not absolute crap I may save my money for now since I'm unfortunately on a budget. Thanks for any input guys.

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[Mille Bornes]

I haven't heard anything about the PB5 smics.

It's only $100 difference for tested tried and true...

[S4gasm2.7t]

Maybe I read wrong I thought pb5 were $500 maybe they're $600 lol 100 bucks I can deal with 200 is enough for me to think about saving the money lol

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[oppositelock]

End tank design looks mostly like stock, which is bad for flow. Don't waste your money. Stay stock until you can afford the SRMs.

[getslideways]

100 bucks I can deal with 200 is enough for me to think about saving the money lol

I know nothing about the PB5 SMICs however is $100 difference worth taking a gamble on???

PB5 right now is $599 with very limited info
SRM is $699 with lots of positive info

I personally would not want to absorb that large amount of risk over what amounts to a 15% difference in price, also not to mention that group buys come around and often allow the SRM units to be priced at $650 with free shipping. If it wasn't an essential part for repeatable performance, than sure, why not, but if it doesn't perform right, then all your other components start fighting an uphill battle.

If they had unbiased information proving similar performance then you could certainly sleep easy with an extra $100 under your mattress, but until thats the case, I would highly suggest you get something with a well documented proven record given the very small price difference. Perhaps PB5 will cut you a deal if you provide documented before and after unskewed data. Maybe thats something that might work better for you and your plans too. You would still be absorbing the risk, but at a much lower price point. Plus if they do work out, you would be the guy who helped others on Audizine find an even more affordable alternative.

[S4gasm2.7t]

I know nothing about the PB5 SMICs however is $100 difference worth taking a gamble on???

PB5 right now is $599 with very limited info
SRM is $699 with lots of positive info

I personally would think you were retarded to absorb that large amount of risk over what amounts to a 15% difference in price, also not to mention that group buys come around and often allow the SRM units to be priced at $650 with free shipping. If it wasn't an essential part for repeatable performance, than sure, why not, but if it doesn't perform right, then all your other components start fighting an uphill battle.

1. There's a reason I made a thread asking if anyone had used them, if there's no real amount of feedback for them I won't buy them regardless. 2. If you're gonna basically call me retarded for considering a "15% difference" then please read the mass of 3 responses to the original post. I clearly stated that I may have misread or remembered incorrectly. It's been at least a few days since I've looked at them online and I stated I thought the PB5 were $500 not $600, so with the price I thought now turns that 15% into a 28.5% and IF there was enough positive feedback on the product, I would gladly save almost 30%

I'm not trying to personally attack you, in fact reading enough of the forums I have a lot of respect for you, you have a lot of valuable info out in the forums as it is plus I'm guessing even more up in your noggin. I just don't like when people treat me with disrespect when I'm trying to come to my own conclusion.

Now thank you for double checking the prices for me as I have been Christmas shopping all night since I got outa work lol. And with that much of a price difference I'll definitely save my money for SRM's.

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[reverse.rake]

i haven't seen enough info on the pb5 intercoolers for me to buy them, when the time comes to pick up some intercoolers i will go with SRM because they are really really good for how much they cost. heres some intercooler testing results, no pb5 unfortunately. http://www.myaudis4.com/srm-rs4-flow-test/

[S4gasm2.7t]

Yeah that's what I've been figuring. I'll definitely be going SRM, as stated for a $100 difference, I'll get the SRM's because I've seen how good they are, but I though the PB5 were 500 and was willing to take a small performance penalty as long as they were still pretty good. But with the difference in performance but only 100 price difference, I'll gladly buy the SRM's.

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[Mille Bornes]

Good choice

Just have patience after you order lol

If you'd like shrouds I'll sell you mine which I never put on

[getslideways]

I'm not trying to personally attack you, in fact reading enough of the forums I have a lot of respect for you, you have a lot of valuable info out in the forums as it is plus I'm guessing even more up in your noggin. I just don't like when people treat me with disrespect when I'm trying to come to my own conclusion.

I wanted my use of the phrase "i'd think you were retarded" to read more along the lines of a more colloquial "it would be crazy" phrase, which is why after rereading it I noticed it could very easily be taken a bit more personally, which is why I went back and immediately rewrote that part so that it would more accurately represent my original intent. However you must have already read and been drafting your reply based on the original post's content during that same time, which is 100% understandable.

So my sincerest of apologies for any negative feelings or disrespect you may have felt as a result of my original unclear communication, and please know that it was not my initial intent for it to be delivered as a disrespectful attack at your expense.

[naudlee]

FWIW:

The R1 are wagner B5 S4 units, look at the end tanks... the casting logos are ground off

Not a bad choice either way you go, I do run both the R1 and SRM units on a couple personal vehicles.

The r1 require less trimming & fit easier. The SRM will cool slightly better/more efficiently due to a better core.

I'd compare them like so: AWE (R1) to ER (SRM)

Just my 0.02c

[getslideways]

/\ Nick, can you do some logging with them and post up. It would certainly help you sell a lot more units to have it backed by some easy to read data points. Or if you are already working on this with someone, light a fire under their butt haha

[S4gasm2.7t]

I wanted my use of the phrase "i'd think you were retarded" to read more along the lines of a more colloquial "it would be crazy" phrase, which is why after rereading it I noticed it could very easily be taken a bit more personally, which is why I went back and immediately rewrote that part so that it would more accurately represent my original intent. However you must have already read and been drafting your reply based on the original post's content during that same time, which is 100% understandable.

So my sincerest of apologies for any negative feelings or disrespect you may have felt as a result of my original unclear communication, and please know that it was not my initial intent for it to be taken that way.

Eh, I was a little annoyed at first, but I have realized it was just simple miscommunication. Thanks for the apology and I'll extend one to you for jumping down your throat like a douche. Had an obnoxious week and kinda on edge in general (not even including holiday shopping lol) but yeah I'll definitely be going with the SRM's. And I do know about the wait too lol.

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[FlyboyS4]

/\ Nick, can you do some logging with them and post up. It would certainly help you sell a lot more units to have it backed by some easy to read data points. Or if you are already working on this with someone, light a fire under their butt haha

If they are 'wagners' with the logo ground off those results are on the forum. The PB5 core has 12 charge rows vs the wagner's 15, so I don't believe they are using the same core. Perhaps the end tank design is the same.

[armageddon-]

They are more like KWE's http://www.kwe-racing.de/Audi/Audi-S...ml?language=en

that can also be found here: http://spanish.alibaba.com/product-g...322244002.html

[FlyboyS4]

They are more like KWE's http://www.kwe-racing.de/Audi/Audi-S...ml?language=en

that can also be found here: http://spanish.alibaba.com/product-g...322244002.html

Looks to be the same product being sold by different vendors.

Here's a wagner S4 IC.

SRM IC pressure log.

[jibberjive]

SRM IC pressure log.

Interesting log. So looks like SRM IC pressure loss is generally .5psi or less. Any chance you could post a MAF plot on that same plot (right side y-axis, if your MAF values reflect reality that is and are not scaled low)?

[FlyboyS4]

Interesting log. So looks like SRM IC pressure loss is generally .5psi or less. Any chance you could post a MAF plot on that same plot (right side y-axis, if your MAF values reflect reality that is and are not scaled low)?

Sure, I'm using an RS4 MAF so it should be correct. I'll create that chart later. I concur, at that boost level it looks to peak around 0.5 psi give or take a tenth or two.

Edit: Updated.

[jibberjive]

Sure, I'm using an RS4 MAF so it should be correct. I'll create that chart later. I concur, at that boost level it looks to peak around 0.5 psi give or take a tenth or two.

Edit: Updated.

Thanks!

I don't want to take up any more of your time with my graph requests, but I was hoping for something a little bit different. What I was hoping for would be the same as your first graph (Boost Pressure on the left-side Y-axis, time on the X-axis), but add MAF (in g/s) on the right-side's Y-axis). Then plot the long pull's pre and post IC boost reading, and add the MAF data to that plot as well.

You don't really need to worry about it though; thanks for the existing graphs.

[FlyboyS4]

Thanks!

I don't want to take up any more of your time with my graph requests, but I was hoping for something a little bit different. What I was hoping for would be the same as your first graph (Boost Pressure on the left-side Y-axis, time on the X-axis), but add MAF (in g/s) on the right-side's Y-axis). Then plot the long pull's pre and post IC boost reading, and add the MAF data to that plot as well.

You don't really need to worry about it though; thanks for the existing graphs.

That's easier to do than what I've done on the second chart. I've added MAF and put up a third chart.

[jibberjive]

That's easier to do than what I've done on the second chart. I've added MAF and put up a third chart.

Perfect. Thanks Jeff!