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    Established Member Two Rings
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    Question Tiptronic friendly turbos/ ways to strengthen the tiptronic for this extra power?

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    I hear the modding opportunities on the tip tranny isn't 100% hopeless! From what I've gathered, torque is what kills the tip tranny/ causes issues.

    I have a stock 1998 1.8T Quattro tip. (AEB engine)

    I'm looking at installing a T3/T4 50 trim .63 turbo, as the 50 trim is apparently the best for stock displacement, and the .63 takes longer to spool, saving on the tranny a little bit, making it a suitable, safe upgrade, right?? If this is true, would getting a high-flow exhaust manifold for the .63 have a significant effect on spool up time and prove to be a bad idea for the tip tranny?

    I believe I could reach the 300hp range with this set-up, and at that point should I be worried about the stock clutch risking failure? I figure I could simply combat/prevent this by getting a transmission oil cooler and using better transmission oil, though if a upgraded clutch is highly recommended, so be it . I hear the AEB is one of, if not the strongest block, and its bottom end should handle the hp and torque with ease, though should I still be worried about my rods? I imagine I should get some IE forged rods to be safe as they're typically the only weak points in this plan. Would a really good set of bearings for the crank/rods, be a really good idea as well??

    As for supporting this upgrade to a T3/T4 50 trim .63 I believe I'll need the following (please let me know if I'm missing items/ horribly off for something things ) :


    440cc/630cc Injectors
    3" MAF
    T3/T4
    Manifold
    CTapp or Unitronic tune (Unitronic is much closer to where I live so I'm highly debating going with them, although from what I read I'll need a 4" MAF if I go with Ctapp 630cc. Can the same be said for Uni??)
    3" TIP (Is it best to have an exhaust shop custom-bend a steel straight pipe for me so then I can be sure it won't cave in?)
    Afpr
    Mbc
    Fuel pump
    Intake
    Mounts
    Clutch
    Fmic
    New oil lines
    Exhaust system (turbo back highly reccommended?)

    ***Though the fpr, injectors, and MAF I get is determined by what tune I get, correct?***

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    Veteran Member Three Rings Wrath And Tears's Avatar
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    I would recommend a 5 speed swap if you are planning all of this. Since you have an auto tranny, you do not have a clutch as that is for a manual transmission. Now if you meant 300hp is about the max for the stock clutch packs in the auto trans that is a different story (mainly because I know nothing about the limits of the auto trans). There are no modifications that can be made to the auto trans that I know of. Other people who have built on the auto trans can help you out more. I would head back to the books and do some more research. It looks like you got a lot of good stuff planned, but I worry about you thinking your auto trans has a clutch.
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    Veteran Member Three Rings LA4's Avatar
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    Why go through all of that trouble and still keep the automatic trans?

    I'm not trying to hate, I just don't understand why you would want to do all of that work and still have the (lack of) communication and feedback delivered through a slushbox.
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    Established Member Two Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath And Tears View Post
    I would recommend a 5 speed swap if you are planning all of this. Since you have an auto tranny, you do not have a clutch as that is for a manual transmission. Now if you meant 300hp is about the max for the stock clutch packs in the auto trans that is a different story (mainly because I know nothing about the limits of the auto trans). There are no modifications that can be made to the auto trans that I know of. Other people who have built on the auto trans can help you out more. I would head back to the books and do some more research. It looks like you got a lot of good stuff planned, but I worry about you thinking your auto trans has a clutch.
    I had read something and got a little confused on the auto having or not having a clutch. A silly mistake. I'm highly considering the 5 speed tranny swap; it's the only real solution I can go with since I don't want to sell my car and buy a new b5. Now comes the waiting game for the right parts car..

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    Established Member Two Rings
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    Quote Originally Posted by LA4 View Post
    Why go through all of that trouble and still keep the automatic trans?

    I'm not trying to hate, I just don't understand why you would want to do all of that work and still have the (lack of) communication and feedback delivered through a slushbox.
    I don't understand why either.. I suppose I'm just very eager to have some actual power and am trying to work with what I got because I don't have the mechanical skills/ tools to do a transmission swap, or the bazillion dollars to pay someone to do it. Deep down I know that a 5 speed swap is the only way to achieve anything worth while yet am reluctant to pull the trigger just yet because I know it'll cost me $2,500 at least.

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    Veteran Member Four Rings nynoah's Avatar
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    The auto trans is failure prone even under stock power.
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