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    Just another reason not to take your S4 to an instant oil change shop....

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    I already blame myself enough and am aware what I did was stupid by not taking my car to a more trusted shop or doing the work myself but i'll share this post anyways and be ready for the flaming :(


    I was looking through Groupon and happened over a $49 deal to get a full synthetic oil change at the Valvoline Instant Oil Change place. [edit] Note, I usually do the oil changes myself but its been a little hectic lately. We are selling the house, things are packed up, yada, yada. So I figured, why not do an added 5K interval change at such a cheap price and i'm driving around anyways near there. I cant buy the parts that cheap and it's Valvoline so whats to lose right? ...and there is where my mistake lies and what turned into a 4 hour ordeal that involved police.



    I pulled up to the oil change place and stayed in the car. A couple minutes into the change I feel a jarring / ripping sensation through the floor of the car. I'm thinking, "Hmmm, I hope they know to slide the aero belly pan to the rear to let it drop down instead of pulling on it." ...I make a mental note.


    So now they are at the stage where the person up top starts to pour in the motor oil. He starts to poor it in and stops pretty quickly yelling to the guy below to make sure he drained it all out as it is overflowing. ... Mental note number two. Hmm.


    A few minutes go buy and I call the manager over and mention to him that I would appreciate it if he make sure all the 1/4 turn fasteners are put correctly back into place because they are very expensive to replace. He smiles and assures me he will make sure that happens.


    Now the oil is supposedly back in the car and we are about to close our transaction. I'm standing at the front of the car and i'm staring at a 1/4 turn fastener sitting on the ground under the front of my car. I'm waiting...waiting..waiting for someone to pick it up to put it in or to tell me "You're all set." ....and sure enough I hear..."You're all set; you are good to go." So I bend over and pick up the 1/4 turn fastener and ask to talk to the manager.

    The manager comes over and I point out to him that his person just left $20 worth of fastener of mine on the floor and I'd like to go into his pit to see what else is missing. He takes me down into the pit where I see this...



    I'm looking up at the car at first and I see the DSG drain plug right there and there is DSG fluid all over it and dripping. I'm thinking "Why can I see the DSG drain plug? Theres supposed to be an aero pan covering this?" and i'm also thinking..."Oh crap, they drained the DSG fluid."

    As I keep looking up my brain starts to register what it is seeing. Holy crap, this guy cut my car into pieces. My aero pan has a huge hole cut into it. I'm standing in the oil pit now with the tech and the manager and I ask the tech if he did this to my car and if he drained my DSG fluid. He says absolutely not. Well since I am under my car every week and I know no one else was under my car I'm finding that very hard to believe. So I took it upon myself to walk around their oil pit until I found two of these..



    Yeah, sitting in their trash can are two pieces of my aero pan he cut out. At this point i'm thinking that I need witnesses, and alot of them. I call my wife and I called the police so I could at least get a report.


    It looks like this is what happens...

    1. Employee cuts hole in transmission aero pan and drains DSG fluid.
    2. Tech tries to put in motor oil and it overflows all over the engine because no engine oil was ever removed.
    3. Tech and manager were going to let me drive on my way with no DSG fluid and massively overfilled engine oil in which case id likely be out an engine and transmission.

    I had the car flat bedded to Audi and will await the damage on MON. I'm worried they tried to cover up their mistake of draining the DSG fluid and put some no name brand automatic transmission fluid in the DSG in which case I dont even want to know how I can get Audi to test the fluid in there to see if it is non OEM.


    I have learned my lesson. This sunday sucks.

    Mike

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    UPDATE 1:
    On 12/14/2015, after business hours I sent the following letter to Valvoline...



    Good Evening,

    My name is Michael XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, owner of the 2015 Audi S4 that was damaged at the Valvoline Quick Oil Change center at 9012 FL A1A Alt, Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33403.

    The following occurred on 12/13/2015

    1. I pulled my car into the right side service lane. While sitting in the car I felt a sharp jarring motion of the car.
    2. A few minutes passed and the technician on the top floor came over to my car with two large jugs presumably filled with motor oil. He began pouring the motor oil into my car and stopped relatively quickly shouting below indicating the oil was overflowing.
    3. I was asked to step out of my car so they could raise my car up in the air in order to remove the front (engine) belly pan.
    4. After a few minutes the technician poured the rest of the oil into my engine.
    5. I asked the manager to be certain all 1/4 turn fasteners were re-installed as they are quite expensive.
    6. While standing in front of my vehicle I was told my car was completed and ready to leave. I was advised to start my car to check for oil pressure and I complied by starting my car and revving the engine lightly. I was advised I could drive my vehicle home.
    7. I noted a 1/4 turn fastener located on the ground under my front bumper and brought it to the managers attention. I asked him to view the bottom of my car with him to inspect for further neglect.
    8. Upon going into the oil pit and looking up at my car I located an exposed DSG transmission drain plug with wet transmission fluid leaked around it as well as on the lower chassis brace next to it. I noted the transmission aero belly pan had been cut into and destroyed. See attached pictures.
    9. I asked the technician why he did this damage and he claimed he did not. I looked into the garbage can down in the oil pit and found the two pieces of my car that were cut from my car in this trash can. See photos.
    10. I contacted police who responded: See North Palm Beach Police Department report# XXXXXX
    11. I was advised by officer XXXXXXX that he had secured a confession from the technician admitting to damaging my aero. The shop manager and owner later admitted to "cracking" the DSG transmission drain plug. I was advised by North Palm Beach Police I have the right to press charges.
    12. The vehicle was flat bed towed to Audi of West Palm Beach. The technician found the DSG transmission to be missing all but 1/2 quart of fluid. The engine oil was not filled completely as 2 quarts had been poured into the engine prior to the Valvoline technician draining the engine oil (he had instead drained the DSG fluid). Please see the invoice for which I have paid in full.


    Please submit to me payment in full within 7 business days. Please confirm receipt of this email.

    My address is:

    Michael XXXXXXXXXXXX
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I can be reached M-F from 7:30am until 4pm at XXXXXXXXXX and after 4pm and weekends at XXXXXXXXXXXX. My preference is email communication.

    Thank you.

    Michael XXXXXXXXXX






    On 12/15/2015, the following morning, I received this reply....



    Subject: Transmission Drained

    Updated Information:

    Hello Michael,

    Thank you for taking the time to contact Valvoline Customer Care and your patience in addressing this matter. The documentation for your claim has been successfully received. It has been attached to your claim (claim# 1-227256) and you will be issued a reimbursement check in the amount of $1,442.48. You will receive the check in the mail within 7-10 business days.

    If I may be of any further assistance, please don't hesitate in contacting me.


    Sincerely,

    Melissa

    Valvoline Customer Care

    [email protected]

    800-327-8242 opt# 2
    859-357-5227 fax

    Thank you,
    VIOC Customer Care



    UPDATE 2:
    On 12/18/2015 I received a phone call from the Valvoline regional manager. He stated he was aware a check had been issued but he wanted to follow up with me regardless just to make sure an apology had been appropriately expressed to me and wanted me to know that the employee had been terminated. He wanted me aware that Valvoline does not tolerate this kind of service. I expressed my appreciation for him reaching out.


    As far as responses go from corporate, I am impressed with their response time and their response itself. It appears that as long as you do your diligence and make sure you document document document and make sure you observe observe observe as any errors are made, Valvoline is willing to step up and provide compensation for their errors. Reflecting on this, I suppose that can be a positive aspect of going to a quick lube that is backed by a more reputable company. You actually do have the opportunity to observe the oil change as it is happening. If I were at a shop and this was done back in a bay on a lift somewhere out of my sight, I may have never noticed the issue until my car stopped running days later. I know I dodged one this time.


    Mike
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    Damn. That's brutal. I'm sorry man.

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    That might be one of the worst horror stories I have read. I don't know what held you back from beating that guy with a wrench. I personally wouldn't have put myself in that situation. That's a tough hard lesson to learn. I wish you the cheapest and best of luck my friend. I would put the worst word out there publicly about that place.
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    WOW. Just wow. I would have ended up in jail
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    Ouch

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    Holy fuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenStarke View Post
    WOW. Just wow. I would have ended up in jail
    Same here. Wow. I'm speechless.


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    That sucks. Sorry man.
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    did the manager say they were going to take care of it after being confronted or is he saying GFY? I've seen a lot of these, but this is by far the worst. Stories like these are what scared me from going to generic places again.
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    That is terrible, that shop is full of clowns. Good luck.
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    From all of your contributions and knowledge on the chipwerke front and other topics, I am suprised this happend to you of all people. I'm sorry to hear this happened but thank yoy for sharing, as I am sure your story will save others future heartache such as this. I'm rooting for you and your car.
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    Oh man that's awful. Hope it all gets sorted for you. If I were you I would contact my insurance company and the corporate office of the oil shop.

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    Didn't peg you as the type that will go to an instant oil place... Sucks to hear man. Good thing you caught on to their bs quickly.. Car should be fine. I'd get the dsg fluid and engine oil changed at the dealer to be safe

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    Wow. Speechless.

    Please keep us updated. We all want a positive results for you

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    I would have been **** a few bricks. I think this is the best of the best when it comes to knowledge is power and miser all in one... I an so glad you were on top of this, if not it would have been much worse. You know that there was the thing (it's to good too be true) playing a part in this but good for you to see this in the now!

    To cut someone's underbody from their car is un heard of and I commend you for catching this at the time it happened, now days this is the only way. I wish I could trust the quick lube types but the truth is they don't care. I had the shop rotate the tires and after they Cranked it down I couldn't remove the tire, they over torched the tires and I broke every type of wrench (half " and OEM) I had and ended up selling the truck before I had to service it again.

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    I would of gotten arrested... REAL SHIT!

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    Thanks guys. I know how stupid it was not to do the work myself too.

    I will say that luckily one of the police officers was extremely nice. He went over and talked to the tech and came back and tells me that he got a full confession. I was able to get them to at least confess to "cracking" the DSG fluid plug although they wont admit they drained it. No big deal since they admitted to opening it. They also admitted to damaging the aero pan. We'll see if the owner covers the bill. If not, looks like i'll be seeing what the limits are in FL for small claims court.

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    Holly Crap! What a wake up call, thanks for posting and I hope you can resolve this without the courts getting involved.
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    This should be an independent shop with the Valvoline franchise name. I would contact Valvoline and address the issue with them as well and have your police report available. Try this as well just as others have had issues with certain Audi dealerships and address the issue with AofA.

    I would definitely let your service tech know everything and make sure they are going through everything with a fine tooth comb.

    Good luck with the vehicle.


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    Wow that's insane good for you for standing your ground and getting the cops - hope it all works out


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    damn, that's some BS. I wonder how many cars this guy butchered before he finally got caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Thanks guys. I know how stupid it was not to do the work myself too.

    I will say that luckily one of the police officers was extremely nice. He went over and talked to the tech and came back and tells me that he got a full confession. I was able to get them to at least confess to "cracking" the DSG fluid plug although they wont admit they drained it. No big deal since they admitted to opening it. They also admitted to damaging the aero pan. We'll see if the owner covers the bill. If not, looks like i'll be seeing what the limits are in FL for small claims court.

    Mike
    Limit in FL is 5k

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    Unreal! Sorry to hear. I'm not that old, but feel old these days. I am 31 and I feel like most of those shops have a lot young people working their that feel intitled or just don't give two sh$@ about quality work/customer service. Sadly this is the day an age we live in. I am sure you guys see this all the time in retail also. No one cares.

    It's a hard lesson to learn, but glad you were able to investigate and gather your findings before you left.

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    WOW.

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    OMG.... in my head I've tried to understand how $13 - $22/hr techs could possibly be trained well enough to remove belly pans without damaging them on so many different types of cars, as well as correctly locate drain plugs & not lose fasteners.... I guess they can't.

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    That totally sucks! What kind of mechanic cuts the belly pan when there are clearly visible screws to loosen it for removal? I've had bad luck with these places when I go to Florida and learnt never go to quick oil change shops. My last Passat they just threw the belly pan away. Didn't notice it till I got back home for another oil change...

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    Wtf thats one of the most rediculous oil change stories I have ever heard. Its a good lesson to learn to not anyone touch your car. I just bought all the tools nessesary to do my own oil changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
    Thanks guys. I know how stupid it was not to do the work myself too.

    I will say that luckily one of the police officers was extremely nice. He went over and talked to the tech and came back and tells me that he got a full confession. I was able to get them to at least confess to "cracking" the DSG fluid plug although they wont admit they drained it. No big deal since they admitted to opening it. They also admitted to damaging the aero pan. We'll see if the owner covers the bill. If not, looks like i'll be seeing what the limits are in FL for small claims court.

    Mike


    If the fastener hadn't been laying there would you have driven off or were you already planning on going under the car before leaving?

    I'm just blown away by this!

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    There would be an incredible lawsuit going down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave96gt View Post
    OMG.... in my head I've tried to understand how $13 - $22/hr techs could possibly be trained well enough to remove belly pans without damaging them on so many different types of cars, as well as correctly locate drain plugs & not lose fasteners.... I guess they can't.
    Thousands of people have their oil changed by places like this ever day. I'm sure missing fasteners are common, but nothing like this.

    What the hell was the guy even thinking? Was he on drugs? Not sure how one can fail to realize the engine oil drain is located on the ENGINE... The cutting is just beyond comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theedge111 View Post
    If the fastener hadn't been laying there would you have driven off or were you already planning on going under the car before leaving?

    I'm just blown away by this!

    You know, thats a good question...only because yes I was definitely planning on just pulling the car forward and going under the car because there were so many clues that something had gone wrong from the guys talking back and forth about the engine oil overflowing to me looking down under the car while the front belly pan was finally taken off and seeing the guy taking out a 1/4 turn fastener from under the car AFTER the belly pan was removed (he likely ripped off the front pan leaving the 1/4 turn fastener still in place. But I think about what would have happened if they had not left so many clues behind... if I had driven away and the engine and tranny failed next week or whatever i'd be screwed.


    It was dumb bringing it there. Its one of those things where I am busy busy in the middle of showing our house for sale, closing on a new home, overseeing some renovations on a rental property, and saw the groupon that was cheaper than buying the oil and doing it myself and thought, screw it, why not get an extra oil change if its only 50 bucks? Damn.

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    ^ you can't beat yourself up...it's an oil change, it's what these guys do!

    It's just great you knew enough to check it out and then also found the pieces in the trash.
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    If you post the exact shop we could post reviews so no one ever had to go through the same thing.
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    I'd have fucking flipped! You need to reach out to your local Fox channel and give them this as a story - no one will ever fucking go there again... Wow -

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    That is terrible. And people always ask me why i bring it to the dealer for on oil change. rather than groupon, might as well just wait till audi sends you the oil change coupon in the mail and just pay the extra for the oil. heck my SA just always applies the coupon price + oil for me when i want a change. only cost like $90
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    I'm speechless


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    You're lucky. This happened near me. It was a new Saab with ~10k miles. It seized a few blocks away.

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