2016 S6 APR Stage 1 tune...

[Webtoker]

I have had it for about half a day and can't say enough how much different of a car this is now. At lunch I took a friend I work with on a ride and did my first launch since the tune using launch control. I literally was shocked at not only how quick off the line it went but how it seem like it was ever increasing in quickness after leaving the line. I can't imagine needing any more power than what it has at this point. The car is a true sleeper!

[chudiddy]

Yep its like the beast was woken up. Did you get the TCU tune also? Such an awesome combination.

[Webtoker]

Yep its like the beast was woken up. Did you get the TCU tune also? Such an awesome combination.

I am considering it, especially with the sale that's going on this month. Figured I would drive it for a few days before deciding.

[RAF_S7]

Webtoker, have you put an aftermarket exhaust on it, or is everything else standard?

Im torn between an AWE Touring or the APR Stage 1.....

[mwmaroney1]

If you're looking for more performance there's no comparison, the exhaust will sound great but has little performance gain on an untuned car. I'm surprised more people aren't going for the unitronic tune as apposed to apr. If I could go back and get a refund I'd switch in a heartbeat, flash from home and better performance...

[RAF_S7]

Unfortunately there is no authorised European dealer for Unitronic.

[Webtoker]

Webtoker, have you put an aftermarket exhaust on it, or is everything else standard?

Im torn between an AWE Touring or the APR Stage 1.....

Outside of my CocoMats and my spacers, it was stock before the APR tune.

[Vishnu]

I went in for TCU tune to accompany by ECU but they didn't have a file for my 2016 yet... Anyone else get TCU on 2016 yet?


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[mik34]

I have had it for about half a day and can't say enough how much different of a car this is now. At lunch I took a friend I work with on a ride and did my fist launch since the tune using launch control. I literally was shocked at not only how quick off the line it went but how it seem like it was ever increasing in quickness after leaving the line. I can't imagine needing any more power than what it has at this point. The car is a true sleeper!

What's a fist launch? I hope that's not something you and your buddy do at lunch often.

[arrivalanche]

I went in for TCU tune to accompany by ECU but they didn't have a file for my 2016 yet... Anyone else get TCU on 2016 yet?


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I believe you are correct. From what Im told C7 software wont work on C7.5.

[chudiddy]

Yes I have it, have your shop call in to APR, they should be able to download it.

[Vishnu]

They checked today and it wasn't on file


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[steeler]

Wasn't available for my 2016 S7 either.

[Webtoker]

What's a fist launch? I hope that's not something you and your buddy do at lunch often.

Nice lol. I went ahead and updated the post. To clarify, a fist launch is where you have a girl in the back seat that is getting fisted while you launch

[Webtoker]

Wasn't available for my 2016 S7 either.

The guy that worked on my car had his S7 at APR. They used it to build the software for the C7.5. He can flash both the ECU and TCU on the C7.5s.


Calvin

[steeler]

I got an email from my APR dealer this morning telling me the TCU tune was now available.

[Webtoker]

I got an email from my APR dealer this morning telling me the TCU tune was now available.

I am going back tomorrow for the TCU flash. Will let you know how it works out!

[BlueSVT]

I know there's reasons people don't tune their car, warranty concern being #1...

That being said, I feel really bad for people that don't get to experience this car in tuned form... It's a frickin 4-door super car, just amazing.

[Webtoker]

I know there's reasons people don't tune their car, warranty concern being #1...

That being said, I feel really bad for people that don't get to experience this car in tuned form... It's a frickin 4-door super car, just amazing.

I was explaining this to someone today. It is like driving a Lambo that looks like a sedan :-)

[dennisg]

If you're looking for more performance there's no comparison, the exhaust will sound great but has little performance gain on an untuned car. I'm surprised more people aren't going for the unitronic tune as apposed to apr. If I could go back and get a refund I'd switch in a heartbeat, flash from home and better performance...

Well for one, unitronic has no TCU tune yet. And they just came out with the ECU tune lately. APR has had it out for more than two years. Matching TCU tune is just as much a part of the overall experience as the engine performance. One guy said that his car was like a "drunken belligerent MMA fighter" with just ECU tune and no TCU. TCU tune brings it all together

[dennisg]

Webtoker, have you put an aftermarket exhaust on it, or is everything else standard?

Im torn between an AWE Touring or the APR Stage 1.....

You should get both, but....For the price of the exhaust, you can get ECU and TCU tune with no shipping costs and have it almost instantly. And as to subjective transformative experience... The tune is at least 5 times more bang for the buck than the exhaust... maybe more like ten times!!

not to mention...30 days money back guarantee. Not impressed? take it off and it costs you nothing. But you wont.....

[B8ta]

Hey, I have an S7 for dig racing.

[BlueSVT]

Hey, I have an S7 for dig racing.

So the only logical thing would be to race the Hellcat from a dig... then from a roll.

I've seen so many Hellcats get smoked at the local 1/8 mile track by ALL SORTS of other cars... because by the time they get traction and start catching up, the race is over. That being said, they'd likely win a race on the highway from a roll. If that's the only sort of race the car can win, then I guess it is what it is.

[hubris]

So the only logical thing would be to race the Hellcat from a dig... then from a roll.

I've seen so many Hellcats get smoked at the local 1/8 mile track by ALL SORTS of other cars... because by the time they get traction and start catching up, the race is over. That being said, they'd likely win a race on the highway from a roll. If that's the only sort of race the car can win, then I guess it is what it is.

This is a great account of how the HC has trouble hooking up. However, with some stickier and wider tires, it may be a simpler matter. From a roll, the HC power really shines. The massive displacement and S/C allow that car to just keep delivering and delivering well past 120mph. Power band is plump after 60-70 mph, which sounds nice but in reality most people will never tap into that.

And that is why I always felt that car was 'too fast' - it made too much of a scene and wasted too much $$ in tires any time you got into it under 40mph, and anything after 40mph, getting into it will just get you a big ticket real fast. Thus I felt like I could never really drive it hard or fast in my normal driving with it. Having fun was risky business! The S6 on the other hand, wow, stealthy, subtle and luxurious to boot. It's a personal preference thing but IMO, the HC is very good at one thing - going fast. The S6 (or S7, RS7, etc.) is great at MANY things; quality, style, prestige, and of course going fast.

[markreed]

So the only logical thing would be to race the Hellcat from a dig... then from a roll.

I've seen so many Hellcats get smoked at the local 1/8 mile track by ALL SORTS of other cars... because by the time they get traction and start catching up, the race is over. That being said, they'd likely win a race on the highway from a roll. If that's the only sort of race the car can win, then I guess it is what it is.

This is very true. 1/4 mile they trap crazy high, but it takes a bit for them to get going. Dodge put such small tires on them. Once guys put radials and driveshaft on, then it's a whole new ball game.

I would like to see a roll against a tuned s6/s7, just as a data point. Probably wouldn't be pretty...

[hubris]

This is very true. 1/4 mile they trap crazy high, but it takes a bit for them to get going. Dodge put such small tires on them. Once guys put radials and driveshaft on, then it's a whole new ball game.

I would like to see a roll against a tuned s6/s7, just as a data point. Probably wouldn't be pretty...

Oh yeah, forgot about that driveshaft. HC was designed for your average weekend driver that has some fun on the streets, not for repeated track launches. Evidence for this lies in the fact that many new HC owners were snapping driveshafts after a limited number of launches. All that power has to go somewhere and the DS is the first weak link in the HC. It would wheel hop quite easily, too.

[markreed]

Oh yeah, forgot about that driveshaft. HC was designed for your average weekend driver that has some fun on the streets, not for repeated track launches. Evidence for this lies in the fact that many new HC owners were snapping driveshafts after a limited number of launches. All that power has to go somewhere and the DS is the first weak link in the HC. It would wheel hop quite easily, too.

Not to be a hypocrite, but I am amazed how fast guys buy those cars and within a week have DRs, driveshaft, smaller pulley, and e85 tune. One week of ownership of a brand new car and the warranty is gone. I think I would at least want 1K miles or so.

[BlueSVT]

This is a great account of how the HC has trouble hooking up. However, with some stickier and wider tires, it may be a simpler matter. From a roll, the HC power really shines. The massive displacement and S/C allow that car to just keep delivering and delivering well past 120mph. Power band is plump after 60-70 mph, which sounds nice but in reality most people will never tap into that.

And that is why I always felt that car was 'too fast' - it made too much of a scene and wasted too much $$ in tires any time you got into it under 40mph, and anything after 40mph, getting into it will just get you a big ticket real fast. Thus I felt like I could never really drive it hard or fast in my normal driving with it. Having fun was risky business! The S6 on the other hand, wow, stealthy, subtle and luxurious to boot. It's a personal preference thing but IMO, the HC is very good at one thing - going fast. The S6 (or S7, RS7, etc.) is great at MANY things; quality, style, prestige, and of course going fast.

For sure! I was definitely intrigued by them when I first heard about it... but after seeing the issues with "fun below 70 MPH" just like you said, there's just not many places you can do that without HIGH risk. That being said, I'm sure it's bad ass when you're on the highway and lay into it!

Of course, an RS7 with a stage-1 APR tune has as much power (and more TQ) and is way faster all around, rolling race or not.

[Sean@APR]

Roll racing... Sorta like a 1-legged guy asking for you to hop on one-foot to make a fight fair? Haha.

Heh.. best one of the day.

[B8ta]

Heh.. best one of the day.

Big turbos on the S6 yet?

[///M Traitor]

I'm surprised more people aren't going for the unitronic tune as apposed to apr. If I could go back and get a refund I'd switch in a heartbeat, flash from home and better performance...

Has the better performance of the Unitronic vs APR tune been proven on anything other than separate dynos? I'm curious about this as I'm still unturned and itching to pull the trigger. I'm leaning towards APR because of the trans tune. I would do both ECU and TCU at the same time.

[Barritia]

Has the better performance of the Unitronic vs APR tune been proven on anything other than separate dynos? I'm curious about this as I'm still unturned and itching to pull the trigger. I'm leaning towards APR because of the trans tune. I would do both ECU and TCU at the same time.

I had the same question like you and was told dyno results don't tell the full story as everyone calculates them differently and when I see the figures alone I was set on APR but then heard about unitronic and uniconnect+. But because of APR vastly higher numbers I was ready to go with them until I see the Qtr Mike times of the unitronic tunes. As you can see below based on HP and TQ figures alone you would believe APR would walk the Qtr Mile compared to unitronic.

APR
574hp
639tq

Unitronic
529hp
557tq

Yet both have almost identical drag strip times. It comes down more to being able to flash from anywhere compared to just at dealers. Downside is no TCU tune yet but with uniconnect+ I can put it on as soon as it's out. It's not far as far as I have heard.

[mwmaroney1]

Has the better performance of the Unitronic vs APR tune been proven on anything other than separate dynos? I'm curious about this as I'm still unturned and itching to pull the trigger. I'm leaning towards APR because of the trans tune. I would do both ECU and TCU at the same time.

Well they have the faster 1/4 mile time as well to go with numbers, but APR says it's just because they just haven't been to the track..? As far as the tcu goes I purchased both tunes at the same time from apr so I can't speak on how it would be only having ecu, but they had only their ecu tune available for years and people still loved the tune. The tcu hasn't been out that long so I would say waiting for unitronic wouldn't be an issue if it was me. Like I said I would happily change if I could to be able to flash from home.

[Sean@APR]

I had the same question like you and was told dyno results don't tell the full story as everyone calculates them differently and when I see the figures alone I was set on APR but then heard about unitronic and uniconnect+. But because of APR vastly higher numbers I was ready to go with them until I see the Qtr Mike times of the unitronic tunes. As you can see below based on HP and TQ figures alone you would believe APR would walk the Qtr Mile compared to unitronic.

APR
574hp
639tq

Unitronic
529hp
557tq

Yet both have almost identical drag strip times. It comes down more to being able to flash from anywhere compared to just at dealers. Downside is no TCU tune yet but with uniconnect+ I can put it on as soon as it's out. It's not far as far as I have heard.

Their DA was about 2000 ft better. One of these days, we'll get a run in similar DA and it won't be a contest anymore. :)

[BlueSVT]

Their DA was about 2000 ft better. One of these days, we'll get a run in similar DA and it won't be a contest anymore. :)

Huge difference.... Would love to see an accurate side-by-side! Surely two owners with stage 1 of each have to be able to someday get together...

[mwmaroney1]

I had the same question like you and was told dyno results don't tell the full story as everyone calculates them differently and when I see the figures alone I was set on APR but then heard about unitronic and uniconnect+. But because of APR vastly higher numbers I was ready to go with them until I see the Qtr Mike times of the unitronic tunes. As you can see below based on HP and TQ figures alone you would believe APR would walk the Qtr Mile compared to unitronic.

APR
574hp
639tq

Unitronic
529hp
557tq

Yet both have almost identical drag strip times. It comes down more to being able to flash from anywhere compared to just at dealers. Downside is no TCU tune yet but with uniconnect+ I can put it on as soon as it's out. It's not far as far as I have heard.

The only way to really compare numbers when companies use different dynos is to look at gains over the stock baseline. In that case unitronic actually has higher gains, not apr so according to that the 1/4 is better and they show higher gains over stock. Until they both run on the same dyno that's the only way to compare.

[Delurker]

Until they both run on the same dyno that's the only way to compare.

...or the same drag strip on the same day...

[BlueSVT]

...or the same drag strip on the same day...

Or a highway rolling race, with an iPhone... LOL

[Madmax123]

Just got stage 1 ECU and TCU on my C7.5 S6. They should be sold together as a package. The shift quality is massively improved by the TCU upgrade. Smoother shifts and reduced shift time, which didn’t seem possible but reality says otherwise. The thrust is breathtaking. All four wheels spun for a millisecond from a hammer drop dead start—despite not using launch control, which I’m reluctant to try. It truly goes like a raped ape. Love the expression, had to use it.

[TurboNV]

Bring my C7.5 S6 in Wednesday for the APR ECU/TCU along with a brake job to kill the dreaded squeal. Will report back but I’m expecting to be impressed...