Magnuson/ APR Stage 3 NOW ON SALE!!! FINALL: $8950.00

[Eurotek]

Its been talked about for years. The development of this kit was long and exhausting for all of us.
But I've just been informed, the kit is officially out. And its on sale.
When you guys order from Eurotek, We ship free anywhere in the lower states and unless you live in Nevada, you don't pay sales tax.
Plus, if you live in California, we can still ship it there or schedule an install at our Las Vegas facility.
visit our website: http://www.etektuning.com/apr-magnus...c7-a6-3-0tfsi/
Or call us today.

[skiptowncat]

Won't sell many without some 1/4 mile times and/or independent dyno verification.

[creativecody]

Oh boy......here we go again.....

[JoshDub]

IBTL

[ptper]

I don't understand...have the issues been fixed?

[Eurotek]

I don't understand...have the issues been fixed?

Yes they sure have. And then some...

[melomandn]

[RavinJetta]

Yes they sure have. And then some...

Proof?

[PsYkHoTiK]

Proof?

Come on now, we should just take vendor's words for it... ;)

[ptper]

Yes they sure have. And then some...

So lining up against a stage 2 car shouldn't be a problem anymore? Can we expect some 1/4 times (@full weight)?

[phillips2024]

Worst product rollout I have witnessed in quite some time. Was it planned this way? haha

[moophone]

Please clarify the dyno results:

489HP Stage 3 93 octane
450HP Stage 2 93 octane

I trust the stage 3 is whp and stage 2 is chp, otherwise $9k for 30hp over stage 2? Surely something is wrong here.

489whp, however, and we're talking, especially if that doesn't include the APR belt. If this setup will hit 600crank hp on 91 octane, I'd probably do it at some point after a couple years of testing in the field.

Please advice as to the latest (final) dyno results on 91 octane (all else being equal)

Edit:

Noticed on the website:
Cat Delete Pipes: Eurotek T304 Stainless Steel Downpipes are highly recommended and are required to meet the advertised power figures.

So really that power rating includes the 30whp advertised from the eurotek catless downpipes. So clearly this HAS to be whp not chp otherwise stage 3 and stage 2 are almost identical??

Please clarify guys!!!

[Eurotek]

Please clarify the dyno results:

489HP Stage 3 93 octane
450HP Stage 2 93 octane

I trust the stage 3 is whp and stage 2 is chp, otherwise $9k for 30hp over stage 2? Surely something is wrong here.

489whp, however, and we're talking, especially if that doesn't include the APR belt. If this setup will hit 600crank hp on 91 octane, I'd probably do it at some point after a couple years of testing in the field.

Please advice as to the latest (final) dyno results on 91 octane (all else being equal)

Edit:

Noticed on the website:
Cat Delete Pipes: Eurotek T304 Stainless Steel Downpipes are highly recommended and are required to meet the advertised power figures.

So really that power rating includes the 30whp advertised from the eurotek catless downpipes. So clearly this HAS to be whp not chp otherwise stage 3 and stage 2 are almost identical??

Please clarify guys!!!

Power gains are wheel horsepower.
The gains over a stage 2 car are 40-60 dependent on fuel and ambient conditions.
On a stage 2 car the gains aren't as dramatic as compared to someone going stock to stage 3. That's a fact. The stage 3 kit may not be for everyone. But it is a proven kit at this point that does produce the shown increases reliably without affecting drivability.
This kit is the way to have the most power on the market now and with future upgrades for this kit to come.

1/4 mile time will be shown soon enough. Right now isn't the most ideal time for drag strips to be open in most regions. So we'll need to wait for ideal conditions or a scheduled drag event in Cali.

[flixman_420]

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[bhvrdr]

. The stage 3 kit may not be for everyone. But it is a proven kit at this point that does produce the shown increases reliably without affecting drivability.

I'm definitely not a fan of the negativity that used to be on this forum that used to really discourage any new products but I am curious about your statements. In truth, I am a potential customer of this type of product.

How exactly are you suggesting this as a "proven kit"? Am I missing something or is this the kit that was advertised previously as being released for public sale, then showed terrible real world results, then was pulled from the market and claimed to have only been sold as beta tester kits?

I'm not bashing at all but if this kit is "proven" can you please point me to real world 1/4 mile times in street trim on any customer cars? Any logs at all of how the cars with this kit are running for boost, timing, afr, bypass valve staying closed, IATs? Basically any data that would suggest the kit is viable at all? I'm not bashing but arent you guys in Vegas where the drag strips are open and have some of the best conditions in the country right now DA wise?

I'm not asking these questions maliciously but am honestly hoping you have some data to share. I'd be all over a simple bolt on kit that allows me to get better than stage 2 power in 1.5 hours worth of install time in my garage on an otherwise stock car. Id rather buy this kit than spend the 9 grand on a loud ass exhaust and testpipes and a bunch of expensive LW parts trying to chase down tenths of seconds.

Mike

[Eurotek]

I'm definitely not a fan of the negativity that used to be on this forum that used to really discourage any new products but I am curious about your statements. In truth, I am a potential customer of this type of product.

How exactly are you suggesting this as a "proven kit"? Am I missing something or is this the kit that was advertised previously as being released for public sale, then showed terrible real world results, then was pulled from the market and claimed to have only been sold as beta tester kits?

I'm not bashing at all but if this kit is "proven" can you please point me to real world 1/4 mile times in street trim on any customer cars? Any logs at all of how the cars with this kit are running for boost, timing, afr, bypass valve staying closed, IATs? Basically any data that would suggest the kit is viable at all?

I'm not asking these questions maliciously but am honestly hoping you have some data to share. I'd be all over a simple bolt on kit that allows me to get better than stage 2 power in 1.5 hours worth of install time in my garage on an otherwise stock car. Id rather buy this kit than spend the 9 grand on a loud ass exhaust and testpipes and a bunch of expensive LW parts trying to chase down tenths of seconds.

Mike

I sincerely appreciate your questions. I too am exhausted with the banter and negativity.
So to clarify, the kit was NEVER available for sale till now. Dealers were provided the opportunity to take preorders. The beta kits were just that "beta kits". Right from day one. I know this because I myself participated in the beta program and was told by Magnuson to create some excitement and provide all the logs they requested. That's what I did. Unfortunately, beta and share the excitement was a mistake. Should have been beta quietly. Because next thing we knew, these kits that weren't completely ready were showing poor results. Live and learn right?
So Magnuson figured out that the coolant was bypassing the fins around the back side and that bleeding of the divorced cooling system is an absolute nightmare and none of us knew that very clearly. And some of us beta testers were also installing on cars that had the APR CPS which made bleeding that more difficult.
After all that had been resolved, suddenly these cars are fast. I mean holly crap fast. And you've all seen some videos of some of the beta testers running other cars. I myself have been satisfied with the improvements. While I initially agreed with the feeling of only 40-60 hp over stage 2, I soon realized that not only is it a huge gain over stock but if I want one of the fastest street Audis this was it. Then I learned that more is to come, but only to stage 3 cars.
I'll be sharing Dyno sheets guys as soon as I have time to go back. I'll also be running the car at the drags but don't expect huge improvements compared to other regions because our DA here in Vegas and track conditions suck bad.
So there it is guys. Hope this all helps.

[bhvrdr]

I sincerely appreciate your questions. I too am exhausted with the banter and negativity.
So to clarify, the kit was NEVER available for sale till now. Dealers were provided the opportunity to take preorders. The beta kits were just that "beta kits". Right from day one. I know this because I myself participated in the beta program and was told by Magnuson to create some excitement and provide all the logs they requested. That's what I did. Unfortunately, beta and share the excitement was a mistake. Should have been beta quietly. Because next thing we knew, these kits that weren't completely ready were showing poor results. Live and learn right?
So Magnuson figured out that the coolant was bypassing the fins around the back side and that bleeding of the divorced cooling system is an absolute nightmare and none of us knew that very clearly. And some of us beta testers were also installing on cars that had the APR CPS which made bleeding that more difficult.
After all that had been resolved, suddenly these cars are fast. I mean holly crap fast. And you've all seen some videos of some of the beta testers running other cars. I myself have been satisfied with the improvements. While I initially agreed with the feeling of only 40-60 hp over stage 2, I soon realized that not only is it a huge gain over stock but if I want one of the fastest street Audis this was it. Then I learned that more is to come, but only to stage 3 cars.
I'll be sharing Dyno sheets guys as soon as I have time to go back. I'll also be running the car at the drags but don't expect huge improvements compared to other regions because our DA here in Vegas and track conditions suck bad.
So there it is guys. Hope this all helps.

Thank you very much for such a nondefensive reply.

I appreciate knowing that there was an issue that is reported to be solved now as it relates to the cooling.

I would be pretty interested if this is a kit that I could bolt on my stock car and run with the top full bolt on stage 2 guys assuming all cars on pump 93. That would be great if I could run 11.8 or better on pump 93 with my stock car and nothing but the blower and tune on it.

I'm looking forward to your results and if you are ever able to I would really appreciate data logs more than a dyno.

Best of luck with the kit and I hope this turns out well (selfishly so).

Mike

[moophone]

I wasn't trying to bash it either, in fact I salute any advancement to the frontier for this platform.

I considered it when I had the chance to return my stage 2, but I can't justify 40-60hp for $10k cdn. Not even close.

If I was completely stock and had carelessly deep pockets, I'd do it, obviously.

Hope it works out.

Cheers.

[Eurotek]

Thank you very much for such a nondefensive reply.

I appreciate knowing that there was an issue that is reported to be solved now as it relates to the cooling.

I would be pretty interested if this is a kit that I could bolt on my stock car and run with the top full bolt on stage 2 guys assuming all cars on pump 93. That would be great if I could run 11.8 or better on pump 93 with my stock car and nothing but the blower and tune on it.

I'm looking forward to your results and if you are ever able to I would really appreciate data logs more than a dyno.

Best of luck with the kit and I hope this turns out well (selfishly so).

Mike

Absolutely. Any time man. I never meant to come off defensive. This kit will work very well on your stock car and up.
I'll get dunks as soon as I can. The only downside is that I've got more upgrades already on mine beyond the current kit. But I'll help where I can.

[StevenStarke]

For 9k, I can buy a muscle car that runs 10's, if not 9's. If this kit only produces 60 more whp over stage 2 and it's $9000, that's unreal. For under $2000 you can gain 100+whp from stock. The next 60whp cost $9000? c'mon man. Even at 100whp gain over a stage 2 with pulley, it's still not worth it.

I had a 2011 mustang 5.0 before this and the entire twin turbo kit was less than 9k. Two turbos, Two gates, Two SS headers, FMIC, Two bov's. Add exhaust, injectors, Boost a pump and tune and the cars make 650whp easily. Mine made 706whp.

9k in a evo and it will go low 11's easily. If this kit only makes 480whp, it's a failure at 9k. Maybe 5k works. But 9k is ridic.

[S4 00 2.7]

I really hope there are no more problems with the stage 3 kit.

in for 1/4 mile times and videos.

in the meantime, pass the popcorn.

[LINDW4LL]

For 9k, I can buy a muscle car that runs 10's, if not 9's. If this kid only produces 60 more whp over stage 2 and it's $9000, that's unreal. For under $2000 you can gain 100+whp from stock. The next 60whp cost $9000? c'mob man.

A tune is always going to give the cheapest gains on a FI car. After that, modding gets substantially more expensive ($/HP).

Second, the only reason the kits are capped is because the stock engine does not hold up to much more power. Most owners of a recent model $50,000+ luxury car aren't willing to tear apart their engines. Third, comparing mod costs to an Evo or Mustang is silly. Paired with the above tidbit, the target market is infinitely smaller for the S4.

[CrownSeven]

Power gains are wheel horsepower.
The gains over a stage 2 car are 40-60 dependent on fuel and ambient conditions.
On a stage 2 car the gains aren't as dramatic as compared to someone going stock to stage 3. That's a fact. The stage 3 kit may not be for everyone. But it is a proven kit at this point that does produce the shown increases reliably without affecting drivability.
This kit is the way to have the most power on the market now and with future upgrades for this kit to com e.

1/4 mile time will be shown soon enough. Right now isn't the most ideal time for drag strips to be open in most regions. So we'll need to wait for ideal conditions or a scheduled drag event in Cali.

Youre in Vegas right? Whats wrong with heading over to Las Vegas speedway, pretty sure they're open?

[Vogz]

For 9k, I can buy a muscle car that runs 10's, if not 9's. If this kid only produces 60 more whp over stage 2 and it's $9000, that's unreal. For under $2000 you can gain 100+whp from stock. The next 60whp cost $9000? c'mob man. Even at 100whp gain over a stage 2 with pulley, it's still not worth it.

I had a 2011 mustang 5.0 before this and the entire twin turbo kit was less than 9k. Two turbos, Two gates, Two SS headers, FMIC, Two boy's. Add exhaust, injectors, Boost a pump and tune and the cars make 650whp easily. Mine made 706whp.

9k in a evo and it will go low 11's easily. If this kit only makes 480whp, it's a failure at 9k. Maybe 5k works. But 9k is ridic.

Then go buy a muscle car that runs 10s or 9s for $9K. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy this kit. Not everyone wants a cheap car that only goes fast in a straight line.

[will13k7]

Not everyone wants a cheap car that only goes fast in a straight line.

[Brother Owl]

Youre in Vegas right? Whats wrong with heading over to Las Vegas speedway, pretty sure they're open?

+1
Las Vegas Motor Speedway temps in the 50-60's all day tomorrow, DA forecast between 1000-2000. Not ideal but far better than the DA during APR's record runs....

[GRUMPY-S4]

So the Stage 3 gains over Stage 2 are 40-60HP. Stage 2 is $1700 and Stage 3 is $9k...

Is 40hp worth $7k... Plus the unproven fact. This is a very hard sell!


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[S4tranquility]

This is good news. I look forward to hearing more about this kit now that some early bugs have been addressed.

[moophone]

Since there is no upgrade path, you aren't getting 40-60hp for $7k. You are getting stage2 + 40-60 hp for $9k.

Or if you are already stage 2 you are getting 40-60hp for 9k.

So the Stage 3 gains over Stage 2 are 40-60HP. Stage 2 is $1700 and Stage 3 is $9k...

Is 40hp worth $7k... Plus the unproven fact. This is a very hard sell!


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[JMUNFORD]

I look at it this way ... This kit is "ideal" for prob people that have or buying stock b8s because there getting cheap if I had bought a used one for 18-23k and was into tuning I would jump straight to stage 3 there's some value there. Now for us that have b8.5s and who are stage 2 that's where you have to look at the value .. I'm content with my stage 2 as it already gets me in trouble plus I have money into it and wig a family I can't justify the extra 7k plus labor for the small gains from stage 2 to 3 plus def loss of warranty .. But everyone's differnt , I say stock b8 + stage3 = win. B8.5 stage 2 to stage 3 maybe not so much

[GRUMPY-S4]

Totally agree with u!


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[moophone]

exactly.

I look at it this way ... This kit is "ideal" for prob people that have or buying stock b8s because there getting cheap if I had bought a used one for 18-23k and was into tuning I would jump straight to stage 3 there's some value there. Now for us that have b8.5s and who are stage 2 that's where you have to look at the value .. I'm content with my stage 2 as it already gets me in trouble plus I have money into it and wig a family I can't justify the extra 7k plus labor for the small gains from stage 2 to 3 plus def loss of warranty .. But everyone's differnt , I say stock b8 + stage3 = win. B8.5 stage 2 to stage 3 maybe not so much

[J.S4]

For $9k you're buying the capability to reach new tuning levels. We haven't seen any custom tuning options or engine rebuilds yet, etc. Agree it is prohibitively expensive for some, but there are at least a few guys driving around with $5k worth of headers and exhaust just for sound...lol

[AudiS4TW]

I'm gonna see if I can share some quarter mile times of this kit after this weekend, or next weekend. At the very least I can provide some dyno numbers next week using the heartbreaker dyno: Dyno Dynamics. My GIAC tuned Stage 2 V2 S4 showed a max of 319hp at the wheels with 91 octane gas. I had the highest power output among the group of S4s that went to get their cars dynoed that day, including a couple APR Stage 2 S4s. So I will use this sheet as baseline for when I get the Stage 3 kit dynoed on Tuesday. Will keep you guys posted.


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[rtl5009]

Glad stuff is sorted out. I'll still just be putting race gas in the tank, but maybe some day.

[cspcrx]

I agree with the being stock part, thats my situation since my car is un modified. What interests me is have a car that will run what the stage 2 guys do now on race gas but on 91 or 93 octane fuel, street hp. Its great that you can put 104 octane fuel in a stage 2 car and go even faster but at the price of that fuel it just isnt worth it. Others have mentioned you could just add a meth kit and do it on pump gas, but from what i have seen the kits are not specific to the B8 or they are being custom built, i could be wrong.

I am waiting for more facts before i spend my money. This is why my car is still stock.

[demonmk2]

What is the torque difference between the stage 2 and stage 3

[hodrosS42001]

Please clarify the dyno results:

489HP Stage 3 93 octane
450HP Stage 2 93 octane

I trust the stage 3 is whp and stage 2 is chp, otherwise $9k for 30hp over stage 2? Surely something is wrong here.

489whp, however, and we're talking, especially if that doesn't include the APR belt. If this setup will hit 600crank hp on 91 octane, I'd probably do it at some point after a couple years of testing in the field.

Please advice as to the latest (final) dyno results on 91 octane (all else being equal)

Edit:

Noticed on the website:
Cat Delete Pipes: Eurotek T304 Stainless Steel Downpipes are highly recommended and are required to meet the advertised power figures.

So really that power rating includes the 30whp advertised from the eurotek catless downpipes. So clearly this HAS to be whp not chp otherwise stage 3 and stage 2 are almost identical??

Please clarify guys!!!

Keeping dreaming about 600bhp on 91 octane.. If APR releases a 'Stage 3+' pulley and tune making 600 on racegas will probably be about all this blower has.. And since their initial dyno graphs shared over the years was 520bhp on 93 and 590 on 104oct that's probably what we'll see. That would be 100bhp over Stage 2 advertised figures which is about right considering the 1740 isn't much larger.

[s4buckeye]

I think all the time slips showing YOLO are in Portland with the other guy's slips.












































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[JoshDub]

For 9k, I can buy a muscle car that runs 10's, if not 9's.

I think this kit is over priced, but I have never seen a 9k 10-9sec muscle car.

A lot of 10-9 sec guys have at least 9k in engine work alone.