APR RSC or Miltek Valve Sonic?

[GRUMPY-S4]

I loved the APR RSC on my previous car... Only complaint was that it wasnt loud at WOT.

If I had to chose OEM quietness inside cabin at highway speeds over loud at WOT I would go with quiet... But cant a man have his cake and eat it to?

Is the Miltek the way to go for the "cake" lol?


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[BJYorko]

AWE Touring... Partnered with either resonated or non-resonated down pipes to fit your needs...

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[richib86]

i love my valve sonic setup

[creativecody]

AWE Touring... Partnered with either resonated or non-resonated down pipes to fit your needs...

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What he said. AWE Touring. It's hard to judge the exhausts by all the videos but I did make one that I feel captures the sound as it actually sounds. Nevermind my GoPro falling off my car but you'll get a good idea of the sound. FYI....I have stock downpipes.



Here's a flyby too...

https://www.instagram.com/p/8jTFJmFbcC/

[will13k7]

what did you have RSC on? Its pretty loud under WOT on the B8 S4, definitely fix-it-ticket loud if you floored it with a cop near by. You have to get it from Corsa directly now though. I love the sound, but I wish the rear cans where smaller so you couldn't see them as much.

[Usa]

Yeah you want RSC technology

[GRUMPY-S4]

what did you have RSC on? Its pretty loud under WOT on the B8 S4, definitely fix-it-ticket loud if you floored it with a cop near by. You have to get it from Corsa directly now though. I love the sound, but I wish the rear cans where smaller so you couldn't see them as much.

On a Stage 3+ Golf R


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[Sales@DriveAuto]

Milltek or AWE - can't go wrong with either.

[John@Roc-Euro]

Is the Miltek the way to go for the "cake" lol?

That is, in fact, why it was developed. 6mt or Stronic?

[treejs4]

Don't mean to throw curve balls but what do you think is louder though with valves open? Miltek or Armytrix?

[boseephuss]

Or just go Borla and never worry about drone and still have awesome sound.

[firstars]

[B8 S4]

Lol at everyone trying to promote their own exhausts

[jimrobbington]

Lol at everyone trying to promote their own exhausts

No better way to go than custom! Lol.

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

We have both available and they are both currently 10% off. Corsa RSC is the APR exhaust.

Click HERE to order or for more information

Jason

[XLR8 Craig]

I loved the APR RSC on my previous car... Only complaint was that it wasnt loud at WOT.

If I had to chose OEM quietness inside cabin at highway speeds over loud at WOT I would go with quiet... But cant a man have his cake and eat it to?

Is the Miltek the way to go for the "cake" lol?


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AWE Tuning Resonated Touring.. it is still loud at WOT, but the resonators and mid muffler keep it quiet inside. I think its once of the quietest systems inside the car in my opinion.

We have them at 10% off right on our website here.



We install these systems often and have a fair amount of road time experience allowing us to make the best recommendations.

Please feel free to call me if you have any questions 203-483-6100

The new Corsa RSC system is pretty nice too and currently have two in stock (one chrome and one black)

Greg

[GRUMPY-S4]

AWE only comes with Chrome Tips?


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[LINDW4LL]

AWE only comes with Chrome Tips?

No, they have Diamond Black, too.

[firstars]

No, they have Diamond Black, too.

Diamond black AWE tips in person look awesome!

[XLR8 Craig]

No, they have Diamond Black, too.

Diamond black AWE tips in person look awesome!

AWE only comes with Chrome Tips?


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These guys are indeed correct!

And they're gorgeous

[bizzy]

AWE Tuning Resonated Touring.. it is still loud at WOT, but the resonators and mid muffler keep it quiet inside. I think its once of the quietest systems inside the car in my opinion.

+1 to this, I just had the resonated downpipes installed after having the stock downpipes for a couple months with the AWE Touring. Inside cabin noise is much quieter, and drone has gone away as well (I have a DSG). Maybe I'm just getting old, but the exhaust noise was starting to irritate me after a while lol

[XLR8 Craig]

+1 to this, I just had the resonated downpipes installed after having the stock downpipes for a couple months with the AWE Touring. Inside cabin noise is much quieter, and drone has gone away as well (I have a DSG). Maybe I'm just getting old, but the exhaust noise was starting to irritate me after a while lol

Its not just you.. I do not know how DSG owners don't go for the resonated downpipes. Everyone I have recommended this exhaust to has thanked me after driving the car.

Thanks for the solid feedback.

[hiwasss]

Or just go Borla and never worry about drone and still have awesome sound.

Do you have a video of your car with this installed?

[Deckdout2]

That Valvesonic sounds good with it open. I think this is the best video so far of it, that I've found anyway.

I was considering the AWE Track with Non-Res DP's. I've been on the quiet side for way too long.

[jimrobbington]

Custom! $800!

https://youtu.be/QYulV_6domU

[cW6mT mKviGLi]

I had an APR RSC on my B8 and it had zero drone and was quite loud at WOT. I recently went with a milltek resonated setup and i really do miss the APR. The fitment on the APR was perfect because there are more adjustment points for getting that perfect placement in the rear valance.

My only complaint is after approximately 45k miles the APR unit had build quality issues. Welds were starting to open up in the front resonators and inside the left rear muffler section.

The milltek res drones more than the APR unit and the fitment isn't all that great. The left muffler on my unit is at the perfect exit angle while the right side is sloped slightly downwards. There is an adjustment for the mufflers moving up, down, left, right but nothing to compensate for the exit angle/pitch.

With all that said if i had to do it all over i would buy another APR unit, which is now known as the Corsa unit.

[GRUMPY-S4]

Does the Corsa come in Diamond Black? Has their build quality improved? Did APR sell their Exhaust side of the house?

I had an M3 with no resonators and it was cool for a while... But then drone started to piss me off. So I want 0 drone!


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[cW6mT mKviGLi]

I do believe that Corsa has the diamond black tips. You can browse ECS Tuning and they usually list all the variations. Even with the welds starting to separate my system had zero drone. I drove my car on a road trip over the summer for about 1500 miles round trip and at no point did the APR annoy me at any RPM even with the engine loaded up on 7th gear for maintaining uphill speeds.

The milltek res system however is pretty quiet at WOT and has a more obvious droning frequency between an approximate 1800 to about 2100 rpm range when the motor is loaded up in the higher gears.

[will13k7]

they did have some weld issues on the earlier models that was resolved, not sure which version cW has though. I've just had mine for 2 and a half years, no issues though. If I ran over something and messed it up, it will be a tough decision between getting the Corsa again or an AWE touring w/ resonated downpipes.

[cW6mT mKviGLi]

The previous owner took delivery of the car new in February 2012. It had every available APR part installed at the dealer before being delivered so I'm guessing it might be am early model APR unit (I'm not too sure when they revised the manufacturing procedures to resolve the build quality issues).

I've had lots of exhaust systems on different cars from tanabe, megan racing, greddy, stillen, tanabe, perrin and full race. Even with the bad weld joints of the APR unit nothing was as drone free and better designed for a daily driver as the APR.

I'm well aware that each of these motors from the various vehicles will drone differently because the exhaust pulse frequencies will vary given the firing order, V design versus inline, exhaust path & design, etc but the APR unit reminded me of a switched valved exhaust where it was subtle for crusing and roared under WOT.

[SR7D1]

Just got my S5 and starting to research the exhaust offerings. Good thread. Looks like there are others exactly like myself in their desires. Quiet, and non-droning UNTIL you put your foot in it, then I want it obnoxious. LOL.

I too had the APR RSC (Corsa) on my A4. It was perfect and met those requirements. (not as loud as Armytrix) Now I am looking at an exhaust for the 3.0 and have more to choose from. What I am surprised at, the costs. Armytrix would be a no-brainer for except for the cost? Wow. It's expensive! (I could have any other exhaust and a chip for that cost).

Moving down the list you have AWE track for most affordable and APR as most expensive, until you go to valved offerings from Millteck and Armytrix. Anyone know why Corsa charges a premium of $400 over the AWE Touring? That extra $400 could buy a pulley or an intakes So here is what I see cost wise:

Cheaper to higher in my range of affordability:

AWE Track
AWE Touring
Millteck NON RES
Millteck RES
Corsa

Upon review of my own post, it does appear as though I am on a budget, and I guess I am. But from a practical position, I just really want to spend it wisely. I don't see much chattter on the Corsa like I do the Millteck and the AWE.

Would the AWE with stock downpipes drone? Drone is my biggest concern. Track days come only 2-3 times a year.

[creativecody]

Just got my S5 and starting to research the exhaust offerings. Good thread. Looks like there are others exactly like myself in their desires. Quiet, and non-droning UNTIL you put your foot in it, then I want it obnoxious. LOL.

I too had the APR RSC (Corsa) on my A4. It was perfect and met those requirements. (not as loud as Armytrix) Now I am looking at an exhaust for the 3.0 and have more to choose from. What I am surprised at, the costs. Armytrix would be a no-brainer for except for the cost? Wow. It's expensive! (I could have any other exhaust and a chip for that cost).

Moving down the list you have AWE track for most affordable and APR as most expensive, until you go to valved offerings from Millteck and Armytrix. Anyone know why Corsa charges a premium of $400 over the AWE Touring? That extra $400 could buy a pulley or an intakes So here is what I see cost wise:

Cheaper to higher in my range of affordability:

AWE Track
AWE Touring
Millteck NON RES
Millteck RES
Corsa

Upon review of my own post, it does appear as though I am on a budget, and I guess I am. But from a practical position, I just really want to spend it wisely. I don't see much chattter on the Corsa like I do the Millteck and the AWE.

Would the AWE with stock downpipes drone? Drone is my biggest concern. Track days come only 2-3 times a year.

I have AWE with stock downpipes. Drone is very subjective from person to person but I'm fine with the AWE Touring with stock dowpipes. You can always start this way and if you think it drones then you can add the AWE Res Downpipes later.

[GRUMPY-S4]

Would the AWE with stock downpipes drone? Drone is my biggest concern. Track days come only 2-3 times a year.

I was told that if you do a lot of highway driving, to get the resonated DPs. If you do mostly city driving then you can get away with stock DPs. This is to address the drone concern that I also have.

I love the V8 sound of the Miltek but do they have DP as an option? The valvsonic catback is several hundred more than I can get the whole AWE Touring with 102mm tips and Resonated DPs installed! Is it really worth the extra money?

[John@Roc-Euro]

Grumpy, all Milltek systems include Downpipes.

The valvesonic allows you the option of changing tone on the fly, but essentially carries a $899 premium.

The resonated system sounds great with ZERO drone, but is not super loud.

The Non-Res system has glorious tone, doesn't drone, but is a louder option.

With the 102mm tips, its $1979 Non-Res, and $2159 resonated.

The similar AWE setups (102/silver tips, resonated Downpipes for both) makes for $2115 and $2437 for track/touring respectively.

I personally would run a Non-Res on a 6mt car all day, and on an s-tronic car if I was ok with sometimes manually shifting it. If I had a lot of clients of road time, I'd go resonated.

My $0.02 of course, having done a bunch of them.

[SR7D1]

Jon, thanks for the response and being patient with those of us that put a lot of miles on our cars every day, and are concerned with drone!

Also nice to know that the Milltek all have DP's. I need to get some seat time in a few different setups before I commit.

[GRUMPY-S4]

The ECS Site seems to say Catback on all their Miltek exhausts. Thats why I asked

[will13k7]

The ECS Site seems to say Catback on all their Miltek exhausts. Thats why I asked

the s4's "downpipe" is after the cat, that's why. the cat is apart of the headers on the b8 s4.

[GRUMPY-S4]

So when people say, "I have only the catback"... Its not an accurate statement?

So what I saw on the ECS site includes the DPs?

[will13k7]

So when people say, "I have only the catback"... Its not an accurate statement?

A catback exhuast should mean all the piping after the cat (from the cat and back, thus "catback") has been upgraded, but this term can be miss-used.

[GRUMPY-S4]

So AWE uses the "catback" denomination incorrectly then