APR Tune Complete

[jaws12audi]

Just had the 2016 S7 tuned with APR.

OMG, the difference in the car is incredible. Instant response and ferocious acceleration when wanted.

I've never been one to tune a car or mod anything but this appears to be the best mod you can do for the money.

Forget rims, forget lowering kits (do the Vag-Com lowering), and get this tune.

[B5SilverS4]

Good stuff! I love my APR tune on my S6 and all my previous cars.

[steeler]

I got mine done yesterday and it is awesome. It's a no-brainer for these cars. It makes this act like the high end sports car that it is.
The TCU Tune wasn't available for my car.

[jaws12audi]

My only concern is warranty issues but I worked out a solution for that.

The car is really a beast now.

Even the sport exhaust sound louder, not sure why.

[yeuchau]

My only concern is warranty issues but I worked out a solution for that.

The car is really a beast now.

Even the sport exhaust sound louder, not sure why.

what solution other than flash back to stock prior to dealer visit?

[yas]

what solution other than flash back to stock prior to dealer visit?

Which isn't a viable solution for 2016, as far as I've heard…

[tonymission]

Which isn't a viable solution for 2016, as far as I've heard…

Worked for me.. Knock on wood
Now if you blow a turbo, you're probably off just paying for it yourself because if they want to dig around in the logs, they're going to see increased boost numbers.


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[arrivalanche]

You can definitely clear the logs and go back to stock. I wouldnt have done it otherwise.

[jaws12audi]

Absolutely can clear all logs and go back to stock.

I confirmed that before the install today.

[SharkNardo]

the warranty is my sticking point too...do you need to return back to stock AND clear the logs to prevent TD1?

[B5SilverS4]

I got mine done yesterday and it is awesome. It's a no-brainer for these cars. It makes this act like the high end sports car that it is.
The TCU Tune wasn't available for my car.

I'm glad you got the tune Steeler

[jaws12audi]

When you flash back to stock all logs are cleared and it is like a virgin ecu

[S4Per]

Absolutely can clear all logs and go back to stock.

I confirmed that before the install today.

When you flash back to stock all logs are cleared and it is like a virgin ecu

PSA: this is no longer true. Go ask APR. There are no guarantees, and Audi is currently in the lead on this cat and mouse game (as of 2-4 weeks ago).

EDIT: let me clarify this a bit, because it's real, and it's new. There are now confirmed cases where, after flashing an ECU back to stock, and then taking into a dealer, the car comes up flagged TD1. You will notice that language will / is correspondingly changing from APR, re my statement of 'there are no guarantees'. It's currently unclear HOW Audi is determining TD1 (at least it was last week), but that's why I say Audi is currently in the lead on the cat and mouse game. Net/net: don't believe that flashing back to stock will GUARANTEE that Audi won't notice it has been modified. Proceed at your own risk.

[MadAboutCars]

Has anyone heard of a 4.0TFSI blowing a turbo? I haven't. I guess the biggest concern for me is the 7 speed s-tronic's torque limitation, but you don't hear about many s-tronics failing either, even on cars with the tune and with the RS7 turbos fitted. I guess only time will tell...

[brianc21]

Get to know your dealer and be straight up with them if their cool. I brought my car in to get remote start installed and simply told them it was tuned and to not hook it up. My dealer said that as long as they know it's tuned they wouldn't hook it up. But they can't help you if they don't know. This obviously is dependent on your dealer not being a dick. I will still flash back but also make sure they know.

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[Thisisnoise]

PSA: this is no longer true. There are now confirmed cases where, after flashing an ECU back to stock, and then taking into a dealer, the car comes up flagged TD1. .

Can you link to some of these confirmed cases ? I know there is a risk when tuning but was under the impression that if you flash back to stock and clear all logs no td1 .

[AudiA6A5]

Get to know your dealer and be straight up with them if their cool. I brought my car in to get remote start installed and simply told them it was tuned and to not hook it up. My dealer said that as long as they know it's tuned they wouldn't hook it up. But they can't help you if they don't know. This obviously is dependent on your dealer not being a dick. I will still flash back but also make sure they know.

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^This........they know I'm tuned....I don't flash back to stock.......if they absolutely have to hook me up, then I'll flash back to stock


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[Barritia]

Get to know your dealer and be straight up with them if their cool. I brought my car in to get remote start installed and simply told them it was tuned and to not hook it up. My dealer said that as long as they know it's tuned they wouldn't hook it up. But they can't help you if they don't know. This obviously is dependent on your dealer not being a dick. I will still flash back but also make sure they know.

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Have a friend who works as an Audi tech. If I remember correctly some situations require that the car has to be plugged in to do warranty work or do updates. The tech has no say in the matter as its a requirement to get warranty parts covered and the issue logged with Audi.

[Serpent]

Have a friend who works as an Audi tech. If I remember correctly some situations require that the car has to be plugged in to do warranty work or do updates. The tech has no say in the matter as its a requirement to get warranty parts covered and the issue logged with Audi.

True, so in that case just go back to stock and hope for the best. I never take the tune off when i'm going to dealer for routine crap.

[Sales@DriveAuto]

Congrats - it's a great tune; these cars respond really well to it. And its on sale to boot!

[S4Per]

Can you link to some of these confirmed cases ? I know there is a risk when tuning but was under the impression that if you flash back to stock and clear all logs no td1 .

I can tell you that an Audi tech I know personally serviced cars where this happened. Your impression was correct....until about 4 weeks ago.

...and +1 on being straight up with your dealer, and having a great relationship with them and the technicians.

[agent47]

Can you link to some of these confirmed cases ? I know there is a risk when tuning but was under the impression that if you flash back to stock and clear all logs no td1 .

I am one of the cases

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[LINDW4LL]

I am one of the cases

Your case is the one I have heard. Didn't APR flash the wrong stock file back to your car though?

[agent47]

Your case is the one I have heard. Didn't APR flash the wrong stock file back to your car though?

No. Sean went through all the logs and told me that everything was done correctly. I was suspecting the same as you. The crazy part of the story is that the car got flagged- I have the R/O notes. And then within hours the flag was gone. The VIN was clean until I traded the car in.

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[arrivalanche]

Ive also been told by a very reliable source that if it gets flagged, after you take it in a few times and everything is how it should be the flag goes away.

[bobamoo]

I told my dealer it had the APR tune and called it a day. I don't have time to flash it back and forth. I waited until I had the car for a year before adding the tune to judge the potential for any problems with the car. Zero issues. So I feel confident it'll be no issue with the tune. I did tons of research, if I do have a failure, it's up to Audi to prove the tune caused it. Federal law mandates that (Magnusson-Moss Act) Even tho the service manager continues to plug the "no mods" song of Audi and that dealer, privately he agreed that a stage 1 tune, from APR, is highly unlikely to cause any issues. I'm glad it's behind me.......

[goliath1]

I read somewhere that there is a counter that tracks the number of times the ecu is updated. If it does not match the number in the Audi DB then they have relative proof u did something. They just cannot say what. Not sure how true this is...

[bobamoo]

I read somewhere that there is a counter that tracks the number of times the ecu is updated. If it does not match the number in the Audi DB then they have relative proof u did something. They just cannot say what. Not sure how true this is...

Local APR tuner (not the one I used) and dealer said this is true.

[Barritia]

Can Vagcom pull the counter up and reset it or view it.

[Sean@APR]

Can Vagcom pull the counter up and reset it or view it.

I read somewhere that there is a counter that tracks the number of times the ecu is updated. If it does not match the number in the Audi DB then they have relative proof u did something. They just cannot say what. Not sure how true this is...

There is a counter. Vagcom can view it, but not change it.

We automatically reset it every time we flash the car.

To the OP: Enjoy the flash. The 4.0T is a monster and practically BEGS to be modified. :)

[Kem]

Building a relationship with your dealer is crucial, if its not working go to another dealer. Often enough the people that work there are car enthusiasts too. I've made friends with a tech that now exclusively works on my car. He flat out told me, some customers are rude/annoying/etc and you just don't feel the need to help them out. Other customers are like you, super cool with us, friendly and we go out of our way to make sure you're happy.

Now I'm sure dealers need to be careful so they dont piss off AoA, but ultimately the dealers make money from doing warranty work. Build a good relationship, and if something does happen, make sure to flash back to stock and I bet they'll find a way to make sure your claim isn't denied.

[jasonlitka]

There is a counter. Vagcom can view it, but not change it.

We automatically reset it every time we flash the car.

To the OP: Enjoy the flash. The 4.0T is a monster and practically BEGS to be modified. :)

So then if the counter isn't it, what has changed in the last month that allows Audi to detect a tune was installed? How many user complaints have you received about being flagged while stock?

[yas]

The better question is how many people have been denied serious warranty work based upon a TD1? My sense is that the reliability of these engines is such that major issues are exceedingly rare.

[bucknutt76]

Very interested in looking further into this process. Does anyone know where the best Audi tuning shop is in the LA area?

[jasonlitka]

The better question is how many people have been denied serious warranty work based upon a TD1? My sense is that the reliability of these engines is such that major issues are exceedingly rare.

I'd worry less about the engine and more about the transmission. There's a reason why the DSG isn't used on the higher power versions of the 4.0T.

[agent47]

There is a counter. Vagcom can view it, but not change it.

We automatically reset it every time we flash the car.

To the OP: Enjoy the flash. The 4.0T is a monster and practically BEGS to be modified. :)

This^^. Althoug the car got flagged and then the flag disappeared.. all of that crap happened but I am still waiting for a tune to come out for c7.5. The power delivery was oh so good and reliability was not compromised.

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[hashtagDTs]

To the OP: Enjoy the flash. The 4.0T is a monster and practically BEGS to be modified. :)

Couldn't agree with this more... The car was a joy to drive stock, but an absolute MONSTER to drive with the flash. Hands down the best decision I made when I had my S6.

OP, enjoy and by all means don't worry. :)

[arrivalanche]

Very interested in looking further into this process. Does anyone know where the best Audi tuning shop is in the LA area?

Eurocode by far. They work a lot with APR.

Go bucks btw! Im from Ohio myself and live in LA.

[BlueSVT]

Eurocode by far. They work a lot with APR.

Second that...

[BPS]

Are there any real differences between the APR tune and say that of GIAC? ...and is one or the other more likely to be detected by dealers after a re-flash back to stock?