S3 vs S4 Fight!

[jshwon]

Ok the title is a bit dramatic but I'm bouncing between the two cars right now to purchase. I love them both. I've owned two S4's in the past (B5,6) and familiar with the platform as I also owned a B8 A4 Avant. Currently I am in a 2015 GTI. The two cars I'm courting are a 2015 S3 Premium Plus with Daytona Grey exclusive package, Black & Magma int, Mag ride MMI plus package and driver assist with 12k miles. The S4 is a 2013 Prestige certified with 16k miiles. The S4 is more money.

I'm leaning S3 since it is practically a new car but the S4 is tempting. I think the biggest question is if I'll be ok with the size difference. Coming from a GTI I think the S3 will be similar in size. I don't haul stuff around and mostly it's myself, my son in his car seat, and sometimes my wife. It hasn't been a problem yet but now we're talking about a luxury car. You can definitely feel the difference in size from S3 to S4. On the other hand I think the S3 is more attractive design wise than the B8.5. Don't get me wrong the S4 is pretty but the S3 just looks more aggressive, muscular, or chiseled. Kind of how you'd expect an S car to look. Just in a smaller package.

Has anyone gone from an S4 to an S3? Was the difference in size a problem or the driving dynamics better or worse?

[Tripe46]

I've not owned an S4, but I did cross shop it with the S3. I landed on the S3 for a few reasons. First of all size, the S4 felt huge! I was trading my E90 M3 and the S4 felt fatter and slower by a considerable measure. To be honest it also felt slower than the S3. Those points combined with the fact that a new S4 was out of budget by the time I added the sport diff and my other "must have" options, made the S3 an easy choice. The main reason that I briefly considered the S4 was because I could get 3 pedals with one, not so with the S3.

I know neither car is a match for the M3, but I almost can't tell with the S3 as the power is much more usable. A colleague just bought a brand new S4 (picked it up Monday) and it's awesome, but I'm glad I went with the S3. I took delivery Aug 1 and it has been great!!

[jshwon]

Thanks guys for the input. It's true with the S4 being larger the power it has a different feel. The power delivery is also different and I'm familiar with how great the power output of the MQB's can be from driving a stg 2 GTI. THe problem always came down to putting that power to the ground :). The potential of an equivalent stg 2 S3 has me clamoring and I know it would be faster than a similar modified S4.

I'll need to look up the dimensions of the S3 compared to the GTI.

[ahcow]

Traded mine in 2 weeks ago, so my seat time in the S3 is limited so far.

S4 pros:
- Better Quattro (might not matter to you but it matters up here with snow) I don't quite trust my S3 as much as I trusted my S4 in wet/snow conditions
- Slightly better interior (roomy, better sound blocking, better seats if you don't upgrade to sport seats on S3)
- More suitable for a family car (I don't need the size but my next car, I am going back up a size most likely)
- While on paper the S3 is faster, the S4's power is more apparent in the low revs (i.e. day to day driving)

S3 pros:
- Better on gas
- More nimble on the corners and stock for stock, the suspension is less bumpy (per my gf sitting in the passenger seat)
- Some interior improvements like LED lights but the interior definitely more simple. New MMI is nicer though.
- Exterior looks nicer, sportier, etc.

Hope that helps.

[bakedziti]

I don't have either, but between the two I would take the S4. All because of that iPad MMI in the S3, but at least it folds down, unlike the B9s. I had an A3 loaner for a week, and was just too distracted by that screen to care for the car. The lack of a manual doesn't help the S3 in my book either.

[jshwon]

All good points guys and thanks. As mentioned the size is probably the biggest difference for me. I'm in a small car now so it may not make that much of a difference than what I'm making it out to be. The interiors are different with the S3 being less busy and more minimal. The TT style dash and interior is subjective but I like minimal although the S4 feels more substantial inside. I do like the MMI though. Also had a A3 loaner last year and thought it was elegant. Writing on the touch pad was pretty cool. The newer tech on the S3 is a plus for it. As you can see it's a hard decision.

[Primolak]

I cross shopped both this summer and went S3.

It fits my wife and child in car seat fine when I need it to, which is like once a month. Other than that it is just me and it is fantastic.

The S4 wasn't the model coming out obviously, which is much better imho as the styling is more the same, but I just didn't love it.

The minute I drove the S3 I was sold. I like small and sporty and this car had that. MPG was a bonus too.

The S4 felt heavy and I knew I wouldn't need the space anymore as I never used it in my M37s I had prior.

For me it was a great fit in every way. Very happy.

Win win either way though!


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[AllroadCorbin]

This is a tough call. Personally I would probably go with the S3 just because I'm not married yet and dont have kids...all I do is commute to my office/ client sites and take my GF places on weekends. I also think that if you get a B8.5 now you'll be bummed when the B9 S4 comes stateside because it's honestly going to be so much cooler and offer a turbo 6 instead of a supercharger.... I prefer turbo all the way. Building boost is fun and call me crazy but super linear power bands found on naturally aspirated and supercharged cars bore the crap out of me. i drove an E90 and E46 M3 and winding those out was not exciting at all....Except the sound was nice haha.

Get the S3, enjoy it for a few years, and then buy the B9 in 2018

[jshwon]

Question regarding the S3 mag ride. I'd like to enjoy for a good bit stock but as far as going after market suspension will the electronics of the suspension pose problems? I read something about KW making a delete to avoid throwing codes.

[jshwon]

Springs = utilizing stock shocks = no electronic problems but future blown shocks problems
Coils = replace shocks so no blown shocks problems but dash error. KW has a module but it's not 100% apparently
KW DDC = plug and play....expensive as hell

Haha. I had air on my last Audi and have seen some S3's on air and they look killer. Assuming the sensors won't be happy about that either. Do you just live with the dash error with your V1's?

[clerkpalmer]

I've owned both cars as well. I sold the B8 S4 because the DSG was acting up and I didn't want an out of warranty nightmare. After a brief stint in a BMW 550X, I bought a 2015 S3. Both cars are terrific so you can't go wrong either way. The S3 is lighter and probably a bit faster so long as you keep the turbo spooled. I agree with those that say that the S4 has better low-end power delivery for daily driving. The S3 needs to be in the 3k and up RPM band to get the torque moving. The S3 is noticeably lighter and more nimble in the corners. The interior is fresher and I personally think the styling is more aggressive than the S4. I have 2 kids (2 and 6) and 2 car seats in my S3 (one rear facing). It's a little tight but its rare that all 4 of us are in my car and when we are it's fine. For my money, right now, with the B9 on the way, I'd go S3 and then trade it in 2-3 years for a used B9 S4. That's my plan anyway.

[jshwon]

I've owned both cars as well. I sold the B8 S4 because the DSG was acting up and I didn't want an out of warranty nightmare. After a brief stint in a BMW 550X, I bought a 2015 S3. Both cars are terrific so you can't go wrong either way. The S3 is lighter and probably a bit faster so long as you keep the turbo spooled. I agree with those that say that the S4 has better low-end power delivery for daily driving. The S3 needs to be in the 3k and up RPM band to get the torque moving. The S3 is noticeably lighter and more nimble in the corners. The interior is fresher and I personally think the styling is more aggressive than the S4. I have 2 kids (2 and 6) and 2 car seats in my S3 (one rear facing). It's a little tight but its rare that all 4 of us are in my car and when we are it's fine. For my money, right now, with the B9 on the way, I'd go S3 and then trade it in 2-3 years for a used B9 S4. That's my plan anyway.

The point you all bring up about the B9 is a good one. I worry that if I get a B8.5 I'll wish I had gone S3 or waited. Not to mention with the new S3 the styling and generation will be fresher for longer or until I'm ready for a B9.

[AllroadCorbin]

The point you all bring up about the B9 is a good one. I worry that if I get a B8.5 I'll wish I had gone S3 or waited. Not to mention with the new S3 the styling and generation will be fresher for longer or until I'm ready for a B9.

The B8.5 S4 is a great car no doubt but if you're like me having the "old model" in a year or so will drive you absolutely nuts. I say try something new and do exactly as clerkpalmer suggested....get a CPO B9 S4

[tekkie]

I have had a B5 S4 for 8 years, plus 2 years with a B7, just got the S3 a few months ago. I agree with what ahcow said above. The S3 with simple mods are quite fast and it still gets good fuel economy. I looked at the B8 or 8.5 but it never really worked for me, thats why I went with a used B7, and I wanted the S3 but i wanted a manual, after driving the DSG I was in love so I purchased it a few days later. Like mentioned I would not buy the current S4, even the B9 S4 looks fugly to me so I am not sure I will go back to it unless they make some changes. My plan was to buy the S3 for a few years and then move to something else, either the RS3, S or RS4 / 5 or TT / TTRS so once more details come on the new models I will see what I do. I am still praying I win the lottery so I can get an R8 and put the underground racing setup in it :) LOL

[b6onboost]

See I'm the exact opposite.

I've found no real satisfaction improvement from driving my 'latest model' B8.5 compared with my 4 gen old model B6. They're both great cars, the newer one better in a ton of ways, but like an S3 vs. S4 debate, they both have their pros/cons. To me those objective, tangible, differences in platforms and driving dynamics make a whole lot more difference than which model is more modern.

My take on S3 vs. S4 is this...while the S3 is newer and more nimble due to its size, the S4 is better in pretty much every other category.

The B8.5 S4 is a great car no doubt but if you're like me having the "old model" in a year or so will drive you absolutely nuts. I say try something new and do exactly as clerkpalmer suggested....get a CPO B9 S4

[AllroadCorbin]

See I'm the exact opposite.

I've found no real satisfaction improvement from driving my 'latest model' B8.5 compared with my 4 gen old model B6. They're both great cars, the newer one better in a ton of ways, but like an S3 vs. S4 debate, they both have their pros/cons. To me those objective, tangible, differences in platforms and driving dynamics make a whole lot more difference than which model is more modern.

My take on S3 vs. S4 is this...while the S3 is newer and more nimble due to its size, the S4 is better in pretty much every other category.

To your point i'm pretty sure the B8.5 S4 puts up much better skidpad numbers than the S3

[salvadorik]

3.0T supercharged engine is a freaking masterpiece. It is incredibly smooth and very powerful. This engine has been in the market for long time now and it has proven to be very reliable (other than carbon buildup that most engines with direct injection system only tend to have it) even when tuned hell out of it. I am not sure about S4's 7 speed DSG however. A lot of Audis (A6, A7,A8, Q5) have 3.0T and 8 ZF AT. In my opinion it is hands down the best powertrain. As for S3 it is Too early to know if it has reliable powertrain.

Also as some pointed it out that S4 has a mechanical Torsen type all wheel drive system, true Quattro. S3s have a different AWD system that is shared with VW cars, a.k.a. 4motion. The Torsen AWD system's superiority is especially felt on slippery road conditions.

OP, in my opinion if an S4 is optioned well (it looks like it is since it is prestige but make sure it has sport diff too) I would go with an S4. But I would insist on larger discount, pointing out to the next gen S4 B9 coming soon and you know it is 2013 MY. The reason is S4 is indeed a better car than S3 in many ways. It feels and drives like Audi. S3 has more VW DNA in it than Audi's. Yeah S3 has newer MMI but it does not feel that much different (just a little faster and prettier so what). Yes S4 is larger and sure S3 is more nimble but I would not say S4's size make it cumbersome to drive. I owned A6 C7 and even that car was quite agile for its size. S4's size perfect. Great cabin room and still fun to drive. S3 is not a bad car. The problem with it is in stock form it is not very impressive vehicle. Suspension is bumpy, there is annoying body roll, powertrain lag etc. You would need to invest good amount of money to get S3 to the point you would enjoy it. This is at least has been my experience.

Now if you can wait a couple of years and get a certified B9 (as some pointed it out), I think it would be the best choice among the three alternatives. In any case, I would not rush. I would wait until B9 comes out and I am sure the prices for similar S4 will drop even further.

[jshwon]

3.0T supercharged engine is a freaking masterpiece. It is incredibly smooth and very powerful. This engine has been in the market for long time now and it has proven to be very reliable (other than carbon buildup that most engines with direct injection system only tend to have it) even when tuned hell out of it. I am not sure about S4's 7 speed DSG however. A lot of Audis (A6, A7,A8, Q5) have 3.0T and 8 ZF AT. In my opinion it is hands down the best powertrain. As for S3 it is Too early to know if it has reliable powertrain.

Also as some pointed it out that S4 has a mechanical Torsen type all wheel drive system, true Quattro. S3s have a different AWD system that is shared with VW cars, a.k.a. 4motion. The Torsen AWD system's superiority is especially felt on slippery road conditions.

OP, in my opinion if an S4 is optioned well (it looks like it is since it is prestige but make sure it has sport diff too) I would go with an S4. But I would insist on larger discount, pointing out to the next gen S4 B9 coming soon and you know it is 2013 MY. The reason is S4 is indeed a better car than S3 in many ways. It feels and drives like Audi. S3 has more VW DNA in it than Audi's. Yeah S3 has newer MMI but it does not feel that much different (just a little faster and prettier so what). Yes S4 is larger and sure S3 is more nimble but I would not say S4's size make it cumbersome to drive. I owned A6 C7 and even that car was quite agile for its size. S4's size perfect. Great cabin room and still fun to drive. S3 is not a bad car. The problem with it is in stock form it is not very impressive vehicle. Suspension is bumpy, there is annoying body roll, powertrain lag etc. You would need to invest good amount of money to get S3 to the point you would enjoy it. This is at least has been my experience.

Now if you can wait a couple of years and get a certified B9 (as some pointed it out), I think it would be the best choice among the three alternatives. In any case, I would not rush. I would wait until B9 comes out and I am sure the prices for similar S4 will drop even further.

Why do you hate your S3? LOL I kid. Yeah I hear what you're saying especially the part of it having some VW DNA when it comes to the awd. That being said I do drive a MY15 GTI (stage 2) and had a A3 as a loaner last year and there was a difference in feel just sitting in it. I think the more premium feel of the S4 comes from having the V6 and more linear delivery for daily stop and go driving. Part of this comes down to money as well. The S4 I'm looking at is a CPO 2013 Prestige but is about 5-6k more than what I could get the 2015 S3 with Daytona Grey Package w/mag ride, mmi nav plus, driver assist etc. I don't know if the benefits of the S4 over the S3 equate to 5-6k. Also the S4 does not have the sports diff although I'm not sure how much difference that makes off the track.

[CJ_S4]

I had a 2011 B8 S4 for about 2 years. My observations are as follows (in no particular order):

S3 has way better brakes than the S4 did. Maybe they aren't that different and the S3 is much lighter but the S4's brakes were terrible in comparison. The lightness of the S3 is very noticeable its much more fun to toss around than the S4 was.

The DSG on the S3 is tuned light years better than on the B8 S4. Light years...(which is a meaningless unit of measure for this comment, but it really drives my point home)

MMI 2 or plus or whatever it is is better than the S4 (which I'm assuming has been upgraded as well)

No matter what anyone tells you the 2.0T in the S3 is laggy - especially in comparison to the 3.0T engine. Launch control is the only way to completely get rid of it from a dead stop. I had a BMW X5 50i in between owning the S4 and the S3 and it has twin turbos in the valley of the V8 and it even felt sprightly compared to the S3.

The S4 felt much more solid than the S3, which you can tell is built on econocar architecture. This translates vagueness in feel near the limit. Speaking of handling near the limit, the brake based torque vectoring on the S3 pales in comparison to the active diff on the S4. But somehow the S4 plows more than the S3 - I have a feeling the PMOI is much greater on the S4 with its longer wheelbase and heavier engine up front.

Loving the B&O in the S3 (mostly....the crackling at certain frequencies bugs me sometimes). I had the non B&O in the S4 and GAWD that was a bad stereo.

The S3's fuel economy is NOT blowing my mind. I thought I would do better than 17-18 mpg in a 4 cyl. I got 18-20 mpg all day in the S4.

Overall, I think the S3 is the more fun car and the S4 is the more grown up car. I'll take fun over grown-up any day.

That's it for now. :)

[demonmk2]

It would\will be interesting to see a tuned S3 and a tuned S4 go head to head on a track( quarter mile) and road course and see the out come.

[salvadorik]

Why do you hate your S3? LOL I kid. Yeah I hear what you're saying especially the part of it having some VW DNA when it comes to the awd. That being said I do drive a MY15 GTI (stage 2) and had a A3 as a loaner last year and there was a difference in feel just sitting in it. I think the more premium feel of the S4 comes from having the V6 and more linear delivery for daily stop and go driving. Part of this comes down to money as well. The S4 I'm looking at is a CPO 2013 Prestige but is about 5-6k more than what I could get the 2015 S3 with Daytona Grey Package w/mag ride, mmi nav plus, driver assist etc. I don't know if the benefits of the S4 over the S3 equate to 5-6k. Also the S4 does not have the sports diff although I'm not sure how much difference that makes off the track.

Not hating my S3. I actually love it now but I had to invest into sway bars, braces and stuff like that to make it feel better. Also consider this, to say stock suspension in S3 (even mag ride) is about average would be the compliment. Best thing not to get mag ride but invest into B16 with ride control, upgrade sway bars, add some braces etc and the car transforms into a really really great handling machine.

Your described 2013 CPO S4 costing 5-6K more than your configured S3 is ridiculous. I am guessing the S4 is priced in the low 50K? This is insane! It should not be more than 43-45K even if the original sticker was 60K. Three years already even though the mileage is low and plus the new model is right behind the corner. I would look further.

[jshwon]

Your described 2013 CPO S4 costing 5-6K more than your configured S3 is ridiculous. I am guessing the S4 is priced in the low 50K? This is insane! It should not be more than 43-45K even if the original sticker was 60K. Three years already even though the mileage is low and plus the new model is right behind the corner. I would look further.

The S3 is used as well. The price of the S4 is 42.

[salvadorik]

The S3 is used as well. The price of the S4 is 42.

Yeah I see now, you mentioned the S3 with 12K miles. So if the S3 is going for $36K then this is kinda an attractive price point for this vehicle. S3 will depreciate slower now. Your price reflects the initial depreciation pretty well. What was msrp on S3? Yeah I understand you now. It is indeed a difficult situation. You save 5-6K and theoretically can spend it modifying S3 to your liking. It makes sense now. Well good luck with your decision.

[jshwon]

Yeah I see now, you mentioned the S3 with 12K miles. So if the S3 is going for $36K then this is kinda an attractive price point for this vehicle. S3 will depreciate slower now. Your price reflects the initial depreciation pretty well. What was msrp on S3? Yeah I understand you now. It is indeed a difficult situation. You save 5-6K and theoretically can spend it modifying S3 to your liking. It makes sense now. Well good luck with your decision.

Bingo! The msrp was about 49k on the S3 so the price I can get it for is super compelling. You can barely get a Golf R for 36 right now.

[will13k7]

s3. you'll be so angry when these start popping up around your B8.5 S4:

[coreyl]

The S3's fuel economy is NOT blowing my mind. I thought I would do better than 17-18 mpg in a 4 cyl. I got 18-20 mpg all day in the S4.

why is your gas mileage so bad? i get an honest 26/27 around town and 29/30 on the highway, without even trying. seriously, i drive it like i stole it. mine has APR stage 1 fwiw.

[b6onboost]

Do you guys seriously get angry or go nuts when a new model debuts and your current car is no longer the 'latest'?

you'll be so angry when these (B9 S4) start popping up around your B8.5 S4

if you're like me having the "old model" in a year or so will drive you absolutely nuts.

[tico]

Keep your GTI
or Get a golf R
or the Audi S4

[markn1689]

The b8 s4 is overweight and too big. Even the b9 is too big..

The s3 would poop on an s4 all day. Its lighter, more nimble, quicker, more tuneable, and smarter.

The s3 looks cooler. Its pays homage to the b5 s4. The true s4.

I went from b7 to s3.

Dont miss the v8 or 6 speed at all.

[CJ_S4]

why is your gas mileage so bad? i get an honest 26/27 around town and 29/30 on the highway, without even trying. seriously, i drive it like i stole it. mine has APR stage 1 fwiw.

I have no idea...I was wondering the same thing. I'm of course heavy on the go pedal and drive in S mode most of the time. I also drive about 90% in the city. I'm continuing to monitor closely - could be the winter gas blend has something to do with it too...I'm not even close to your numbers.

[will13k7]

Do you guys seriously get angry or go nuts when a new model debuts and your current car is no longer the 'latest'?

Haha, no, but the want is strong!

[clerkpalmer]

I have no idea...I was wondering the same thing. I'm of course heavy on the go pedal and drive in S mode most of the time. I also drive about 90% in the city. I'm continuing to monitor closely - could be the winter gas blend has something to do with it too...I'm not even close to your numbers.

This surprises me. My B8 didn't get great mileage at all during mixed driving. In fact, I bought it hoping to improve on my B7 S4 which was a complete pig and found I was constantly under 20MPG city/urban. The S3 has significantly better gas mileage at least for city use in my experience. Highway may be close but I usually get a week out of a single tank driving 250 miles mostly urban commute. No way the B8 does that. I think a big factor weighing in favor the S3 would be the mileage improvement.

Having read the responses from the group and considering these two cars closely again, I do think the S4 is the more mature, solid and authentic german sports sedan of the two. The comment that it is more "Audi" and the S3 is more "VW" is true. But I also find the S3 to be a more engaging "fun" drive. Tough call for sure. Either way, you will have an awesome ride.

[clerkpalmer]

Dont miss the v8 or 6 speed at all.

Oh man, do I miss the v8 and the 6 speed from the B7. The B7 S4 was basically a german muscle car. But I sure don't miss the gas bills... 18MPG on the highway, down hill with a stiff breeze at your back.

[jshwon]

Just saw a thread on Fortitude asking my same exact question. I found a couple of responses that I agree with completely:

"If you want LED headlights (they're pretty nice) you can only get them on the S3.

If you want a manual then S4 is your only choice (and your last year to do so since its being dropped next year).

Torsen vs Haldex: Yes, the S3 is transverse engine with a default FWD bias vs. the longitudinal RWD bias of the S4. If you plan to track your car and want to feel a bit more drifty, the S4 can provide that. If you plan to track your car and simply want to be faster, that would be the S3. If you will never see the track and just drive around regular streets like the average person, you probably won't be able to tell the difference -- the dynamic differences between the two systems only really show up near the limit. The one exception to this could be snow. Personally I live in socal so I have no experience, but my understanding is that Torsen inspires a bit more confidence in the white stuff.

In summary, the S3 feels newer and sportier, whereas the S4 feels like a more substantial luxury car. 2 months and 1600 miles later I still occasionally wonder if I should've gone with the S4, but then I also remember I saved $7000."

"And to me the exterior is more attractive and aggressive than the S4 but at the same time subtle.

Financially, it was a no-brainer. To get a similarly equipped S4 I'd have to drop another 10 grand. Also, I wouldn't be averaging the 20 mpg that I'm averaging in the S3 right now. Brakes/tires are more expensive, too."

FWIW I can get my GTI to average 25mpg city 30+ hwy if I drive normally. I think I'm leaning S3.

[AllroadCorbin]

Do you guys seriously get angry or go nuts when a new model debuts and your current car is no longer the 'latest'?

I don't get angry but I'd be lying if I said I don't like having the newest toy. But I'm not the kind of person who will get it for the sake of getting it. I genuinely think the B9 looks great and I'm a big fan of the S4 going turbo instead of supercharged (the current motor is still awesome dont get me wrong). If I thought the B9 would suck compared to the B8.5 then I wouldn't want it.

[AllroadCorbin]

why is your gas mileage so bad? i get an honest 26/27 around town and 29/30 on the highway, without even trying. seriously, i drive it like i stole it. mine has APR stage 1 fwiw.

Something is off with this. I've gotten better mileage than that on the highway in a pushrod V-8 Suburban that weighs over 6,000 lbs haha. I get about 21 in the city and about 32 mpg highway in my stage 2 AR. Do you get that 17-18 figure from your own calculations or from dash read-out?

[CJ_S4]

Something is off with this. I've gotten better mileage than that on the highway in a pushrod V-8 Suburban that weighs over 6,000 lbs haha. I get about 21 in the city and about 32 mpg highway in my stage 2 AR. Do you get that 17-18 figure from your own calculations or from dash read-out?

I assume you're asking me because I quoted the 17-18 figure. Those are hand calculated over the last 2-3 tanks. I have about 2200 miles on the odometer. I just thought that was part of having a large turbo strapped to the engine, but if everyone else drives spirited and gets in the 20's then maybe I should be asking some questions...

[AllroadCorbin]

I assume you're asking me because I quoted the 17-18 figure. Those are hand calculated over the last 2-3 tanks. I have about 2200 miles on the odometer. I just thought that was part of having a large turbo strapped to the engine, but if everyone else drives spirited and gets in the 20's then maybe I should be asking some questions...

Yea I'm not an expert but unless you're WOT 97% of the time or sit in stop and go traffic for hours, the S3 should be doing much better than 17-18. What does your info display show for average mpg?

[CJ_S4]

Yea I'm not an expert but unless you're WOT 97% of the time or sit in stop and go traffic for hours, the S3 should be doing much better than 17-18. What does your info display show for average mpg?

Not sure...I haven't looked lately. Will see what it says tonight.

[ahcow]

FWIW, Canadian here so my mileage figures are in different format.

On my S4, regular driving, I get about 400-450KM per tank, fill up is about 53-55L
On my S3, first tank ever (generally improves later), I got about 380-400KM for the tank, but the fill up was only 45L.

So from my view, the S3 is much better on gas but I still have to fill up just as often, which is the annoying part.