GIAC Tip Chip Question

**CollarDown** · 10-05-2005 09:09 PM

Is the $400 really worth the price?

Let me know what you guys think. Opinions, experiences, ect.

And for all of you who like to just post that you hate tiptronics and tell everyone to sell their car and get a 6 speed, save it.

:)

**DDQ** · 10-05-2005 09:27 PM

I have to guess that this has been discussed in the archives, if you search you should find info. Also try searching on AudiWord.com since they have deep archives as well.

Or, sell your car and get a 6 speed.

**Audi S4 Turbo** · 10-05-2005 11:39 PM

best tip chip they sell is... well a 6 speed manual.

**S4 Avant** · 10-06-2005 09:39 AM

I went to the Tip chip after installing KO4s, so I don't have a true evaluation of what it would be like in a stock car. Because of the engine programming it was pretty much a necessity for me to get the Tip chip. However, I would think that on a stock car it wouldn't make that much of a difference to be worth the money (my opinion only, not based on previous experience). It is nice to have a shorter lag time between R and D though!

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 09:45 AM

Are you guys fucking idiots ? He said he does'nt wanna hear your bullshit about getting a 6speed. He has a tip and wants to know about the tip chip. Not your stupid comments.

**2L8IWON** · 10-06-2005 10:26 AM

Simmer down buddy, it comes with the territory. I got my balls busted for buying my Mustang in auto., which is probably the reason I got the S4 in 6-Speed

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 10:28 AM

You mean you got the MT cause of what other people think ? Not because you wanted more control and performance ?
Weak.

**2L8IWON** · 10-06-2005 10:51 AM

actually, the fact that so many people were adamant about having a manual transmission sports car led me to look into it more....after test driving the S4 in both tip and manual, the choice to me was clear...the manual not only gave me more control over the car, it was quintessential in getting the full S4 experience. After you go and look up most of the "big" words I used, think of a comeback

OWNED

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 11:16 AM

Relax yourself f****t. You dont own shit.
What big words ? Did you just pull out the dictionary and look up quintessential to use it in the thread? haha .. I knew that word since I was in Jr high moron , I know you just learned it and you finally got a chance to use it . congrats.
Never did I say that tip was comparable to manual , its not . tip sucks. I was just saying the guy was looking for answers regarding the tip chip , not people's opinions on what tranny he should have.

**cosmec** · 10-06-2005 11:34 AM

Originally posted by AudiGuy666
Are you guys fucking idiots ? He said he does'nt wanna hear your bullshit about getting a 6speed. He has a tip and wants to know about the tip chip. Not your stupid comments.

**biturbo hero** · 10-06-2005 12:00 PM

audiguy 666 lives in toronto.
we should stop messin with him, he's already canadian.
he prolly needs a hug and some fries and gravy, whaddya callit.... poosin ???

**S-fear** · 10-06-2005 12:00 PM

Having a bad day?

Originally posted by AudiGuy666
Relax yourself f****t. You dont own shit...

Collar down: sorry - I never had a tip. Sounds like the chip tightens things up a lot. If you don't get an answer here, try searching the archives. Obviously the best thing to do is to join up with your local Audi gang and get a test drive. Wish I could help more. Good luck...

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 12:05 PM

Originally posted by biturbo hero
audiguy 666 lives in toronto.
we should stop messin with him, he's already canadian.
he prolly needs a hug and some fries and gravy, whaddya callit.... poosin ???

'

wow another thick headed ignorant American comment. How stupid are you ? Jeez.
That's like me telling you to go drink some more coffee cause you live in Seattle. Real smart dumbass.
Btw , I dont eat poutine , too much fat for me

**Imperial** · 10-06-2005 12:09 PM

wtf happened here? He asked about a tipchip, not banal bickering WHICH, quite sadly, degenerated into xenophobic slurs back and forth.

If this thread doesn't turn around soon, it's getting the lockdown.

**jkimspe** · 10-06-2005 01:07 PM

Originally posted by biturbo hero
audiguy 666 lives in toronto.
we should stop messin with him, he's already canadian.
he prolly needs a hug and some fries and gravy, whaddya callit.... poosin ???

yeah a little uncalled for.. the guy was asking about tip chip not 6speed. if you dont have one stay out of it.

**DDQ** · 10-06-2005 01:16 PM

Originally posted by AudiGuy666
Are you guys fucking idiots ? He said he does'nt wanna hear your bullshit about getting a 6speed. He has a tip and wants to know about the tip chip. Not your stupid comments.

The "smilie" face after my 6 speed comment means that I was joking. Even an idiot should be able to figure that out. So relax, tough guy.

Stop trying to be an internet bouncer.

**joeya103** · 10-06-2005 01:24 PM

People who get it says it gives them much faster response time and makes tip more fun to drive. Nowhere near a manual, but still better than pushing the stick and waiting a full second (...1 mississippi...) haha.

I say go for it, though it's probably not the most urgent mod around. Unless you're upgrading performance...

I've searched around back in the day, and never found anyone regretting it.

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 01:25 PM

the smilie does'nt mean you were joking.
I dont know where you got the idea the a smilie means you're kidding..

**2L8IWON** · 10-06-2005 02:08 PM

Originally posted by AudiGuy666
the smilie does'nt mean you were joking.
I dont know where you got the idea the a smilie means you're kidding..

You got OWNED, so just drop it

**Imperial** · 10-06-2005 02:46 PM

Countdown to lockdown...

audiguy666, DDQ - if you want to keep bickering then take it to PM's.

**AudiMan** · 10-06-2005 02:55 PM

look man, you guys can't be giving out "OWNED" like its a free newspaper or your virginity. Only use it when its warranted and you certainly can't claim OWNage for yourself!

i have the tip chip and shifting is faster, considerably faster, but lets calm down with the superbike anology that AWE uses. And it is worth the $400.

**dc2000** · 10-06-2005 03:47 PM

gotta love how when tip comes up.. the 6-speeders get all jealous cause we can keep our hands on the wheel (or our girl) at all times ;)

the biggest reason i'll be investing in a tipchip is to hold 1st gear.. how do you drift when u cant take 1st upto red? :P

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 04:12 PM

dc2000 , you should check out the reg forums and come out for a meet ..

**dc2000** · 10-06-2005 04:25 PM

^^ hell ya, im still pondering if mr 2L8IWON can even pronounce quintessential... being an ex-ford lover from chickago

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 04:35 PM

haha seriously ..
what mods have you done to your S4 ?

**dc2000** · 10-06-2005 04:54 PM

so far not much.. i got the car mid july and since then ive put on the enkeis & the tip-shifter mod .. also the kamei grill .. but i have plans for my baby... giacx w/ tipchip, full exhaust, springs, ecode heads and body kit.. thats my goal for next spring ;)

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 05:03 PM

Nice .. where abouts you live ?

**Cole** · 10-06-2005 05:19 PM

I have the tip-chip in my car and it seems to make it fairly quick with the shifts.

.....FWIW, I taught racing for 9 years. Everything from rookies to Indy Car. The Tip gives you exactly the control and performance you need on the track. In some ways even better than a stick.

The thinking that a 6 speed is better for performance is simply old school thought. Sure you can dump the clutch and maybe slam grears harder for drag racing but a good working TIP will do EVERYTHING you need it to on a road course and more than the 6 speed on the street.

**AudiGuy666** · 10-06-2005 05:25 PM

Maybe if you can't drive manual well.
But someone who can work the clutch and shift well will out perform a tip

**Cole** · 10-06-2005 06:36 PM

Originally posted by AudiGuy666
Maybe if you can't drive manual well.
But someone who can work the clutch and shift well will out perform a tip

Not true at all. Most high end race cars use some form of mechanically assisted shifting to take out the slow sloppy clutch and shifting work.

This "manual gives you more control" is a very old and very bad macho misconception. I have raced for a long time with many wins under my belt. (and coached for even longer now). The TIP performs flawlessly on a road course. Fast and precise.

Sure, you can't "dump the clutch" for a fast drag race launch or "slam" the gears. But to be FAST on the race track is about control and finess, not slamming gears.

**CollarDown** · 10-06-2005 08:38 PM

Now Cole just OWNED.

But seriously, it really doesn't matter what kind of transmission you like or have. Who wants to argue about transmissions when we could be mocking out people who own Hondas or Mazda Miatas.

The best part of cars is that whatever someone has is going to be the best car out there for them. And they think its the coolest thing around.

Any other suggestions or experiences are welcome.

**SleeperAvant** · 10-07-2005 06:28 AM

Cole, so are you saying a giac tip chip makes the tranny feel like DSG?

**Cole** · 10-07-2005 08:22 AM

I have not driven a DSG yet, so I can't really compare. I can say that the tip-chip is a good step to making the TIP feel more like it should.

**2L8IWON** · 10-07-2005 09:19 AM

Originally posted by CollarDown
Now Cole just OWNED.

But seriously, it really doesn't matter what kind of transmission you like or have. Who wants to argue about transmissions when we could be mocking out people who own Hondas or Mazda Miatas.

The best part of cars is that whatever someone has is going to be the best car out there for them. And they think its the coolest thing around.

Any other suggestions or experiences are welcome.

I agree, it all depends on the person and is totally subjective.....personally, for me its the feel,i just love the feel of driving a manual, but have to admit its a pain in traffic....although im not a fan of tip (for me), I had to opportunity to drive a Modena with F1 Transmission and all I can say is WOW...so to each his own

**S-fear** · 10-07-2005 09:48 AM

You are mixing things up a little here.

It is the torque converter that saps performance and significantly slows down cars like a B5 Audi

Your argument might work with high end race cars (or a toyota MR2) which still use a clutch as part of the "mechanically assisted shifting", but it doesn't work with our cars.

(According to Audi, you are about 2 seconds slower to 60mph with the 1.8T Auto vs stick. It is a bit better with the 2.7, but still...)

Originally posted by Cole
Not true at all. Most high end race cars use some form of mechanically assisted shifting to take out the slow sloppy clutch and shifting work.

This "manual gives you more control" is a very old and very bad macho misconception. I have raced for a long time with many wins under my belt. (and coached for even longer now). The TIP performs flawlessly on a road course. Fast and precise.

Sure, you can't "dump the clutch" for a fast drag race launch or "slam" the gears. But to be FAST on the race track is about control and finess, not slamming gears.

**Kid S4** · 10-07-2005 10:01 AM

Its widely known that tip trannies are about a sec or 2 slower than the manual. The only solution to the manual tranny experience that's out there is Lev 10 or those Import Performance guys. And even those options have been argued endlessly....with no solid proof of performance. The Tip chip does make a viable difference.

Driving a manual is indeed a different experience....more involved, with the car at least. But I like my tip, but love the manual.

**Cole** · 10-07-2005 01:04 PM

Go here and read the performance difference and tell me where this 2 seconds is.

Secondly. When they do these tests they can launch a manual but can't launch a factory tip. So that will account for your difference right there. Also, the times are with a professional driver, not everyone here can shift that well.

Now, add a tip-chip(which will let you lauch the car harder) and it will shift faster and those margins go away very quickly.

To top it off those numbers are all "drag racing" numbers. They have nothing to do with performance on a road course.

To say that torque converters suck up HP is again, a very old mis-informed statement.

The "slip" of a TC in the low RPM is the same function as the clutch engaging in a manual. Neither one of them is transfering full power during this process. A modern TC is then equiped with a "lock up clutch" that makes a full mechanical connection from engine to transmission, just like a good working clutch in a manual transmission.

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