Alpine X701D-A4

**Christian@enfig** · 02-07-2017 06:35 AM

Played with emteg's car on saturday and the radio can be installed without the sound upgrade.

If the car does not have NAV or backup sensors your have to manually connect a reverse wire for the BU camera. I also put a USB and HDMI port in the center console.

If you do the audio upgrade there are different configurations depending on how you your car is equipped.

The free install offer is still up but it only applies to the radio. Speaker install would be extra.

**captain_video** · 02-07-2017 12:32 PM

There are a couple of things I'm unclear about.

1. There appears to be two large modules that mount behind the control panel in the dash. The upper unit appears to be the DVD unit. I assume the lower unit is the preamp control module for the system.

2. Is the NAV data stored in memory and not on a DVD like older Audi NAV systems?

3. Can the unit play CDs without the DVD player? I assume that it cannot. I am also assuming that you're limited to AM/FM radio and music stored on a flash drive as source material for playback.

4. Is the DAB antenna required for North American systems?

**Spacemonkey** · 02-07-2017 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Christian@enfig

Played with emteg's car on saturday and the radio can be installed without the sound upgrade.

If the car does not have NAV or backup sensors your have to manually connect a reverse wire for the BU camera. I also put a USB and HDMI port in the center console.

If you do the audio upgrade there are different configurations depending on how you your car is equipped.

The free install offer is still up but it only applies to the radio. Speaker install would be extra.

I didn't think that you could install this with the NAV or MOST bus installed. Is there a way around it?

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**gars7** · 02-07-2017 04:32 PM

Captain,

Replies inline text:

1. The lower unit is the radio head/Navigation unit. The upper unit is the (optional) DVD
2. Memory - no appeal to external DVD
3. No. The radio head has two SD Card inputs, a USB port, and Bluetooth. It claims iPhone compatibility, including Siri, which, so far, seems correct.
4. No. the DAB antenna was not installed on my A4.

Also, this unit takes the place of all A4 MMI functionality in the A4s that have an MMI without Navi. This functionality was delivered using a single component Audi Symphony radio head manufactured by Panasonic for Audi in Europe. The Alpine radio replaces all functionality of that device, offering substitute Car, AirConditioning, Telephone, Media, and Navi (which is an addition) menu items. It also is compatible with the Audi A4 steering wheel functions used with the Symphony radio. It also substitutes the OEM display screen with a slightly larger 7" display that is touch driven.

**Spacemonkey** · 02-07-2017 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by gars7

Captain,

Replies inline text:

1. The lower unit is the radio head/Navigation unit. The upper unit is the (optional) DVD
2. Memory - no appeal to external DVD
3. No. The radio head has two SD Card inputs, a USB port, and Bluetooth. It claims iPhone compatibility, including Siri, which, so far, seems correct.
4. No. the DAB antenna was not installed on my A4.

Also, this unit takes the place of all A4 MMI functionality in the A4s that have an MMI without Navi. This functionality was delivered using a single component Audi Symphony radio head manufactured by Panasonic for Audi in Europe. The Alpine radio replaces all functionality of that device, offering substitute Car, AirConditioning, Telephone, Media, and Navi (which is an addition) menu items. It also is compatible with the Audi A4 steering wheel functions used with the Symphony radio. It also substitutes the OEM display screen with a slightly larger 7" display that is touch driven.

So can you use the Alpine's navigation in place of the MMI navigation?

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**gars7** · 02-07-2017 08:17 PM

Not exactly - the Alpine Navi is used as an addition to the MMI functionality in the A4. My understanding is that A4/5/Q5's with factory Navi are not suitable candidates for this upgrade. I am informed the issue is a single component MMI device which works on the CAN bus versus a multi-component MMI system that also talks on the MOST and NAV nets. The Alpine upgrade is for the single component MMIs only, at least according to Alpine.

The installation work for my radio was done by SoundSensations in Marietta, GA. Tel. +1-770-429-1600. Ask for Andrew or John. They might be able to give you a better idea of what it would take to upgrade an A4/5/Q5 with an Audi factory-installed MMI with Navi.

**Spacemonkey** · 02-07-2017 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by gars7

Not exactly - the Alpine Navi is used as an addition to the MMI functionality in the A4. My understanding is that A4/5/Q5's with factory Navi are not suitable candidates for this upgrade. I am informed the issue is a single component MMI device which works on the CAN bus versus a multi-component MMI system that also talks on the MOST and NAV nets. The Alpine upgrade is for the single component MMIs only, at least according to Alpine.

The installation work for my radio was done by SoundSensations in Marietta, GA. Tel. +1-770-429-1600. Ask for Andrew or John. They might be able to give you a better idea of what it would take to upgrade an A4/5/Q5 with an Audi factory-installed MMI with Navi.

Thanks!

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**Drunktank** · 02-08-2017 06:22 AM

You could ask Alpine Europe also, they should be able to tell you straightaway what the complication is. If the functionality all works up front and it's just a case of the Alpine's inability to talk over optical,then you would just need to replace the factory amp and you'd be good to go.

**captain_video** · 02-08-2017 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by gars7

Captain,

Replies inline text:

1. The lower unit is the radio head/Navigation unit. The upper unit is the (optional) DVD
2. Memory - no appeal to external DVD
3. No. The radio head has two SD Card inputs, a USB port, and Bluetooth. It claims iPhone compatibility, including Siri, which, so far, seems correct.
4. No. the DAB antenna was not installed on my A4.

Also, this unit takes the place of all A4 MMI functionality in the A4s that have an MMI without Navi. This functionality was delivered using a single component Audi Symphony radio head manufactured by Panasonic for Audi in Europe. The Alpine radio replaces all functionality of that device, offering substitute Car, AirConditioning, Telephone, Media, and Navi (which is an addition) menu items. It also is compatible with the Audi A4 steering wheel functions used with the Symphony radio. It also substitutes the OEM display screen with a slightly larger 7" display that is touch driven.

Great. Thanks for the feedback. I have the basic Audi concert system with no NAV setup so it looks like my car is a perfect candidate for this upgrade. I'd like to add the backup camera, the DVD player, and the North American NAV maps to my setup. I assume these are available from any of the online dealers that sell the X701D-A4. Can anyone confirm that this is the case? What pricing can I expect for each of these upgrades?

**gars7** · 02-08-2017 09:06 AM

The pricing I received for the components listed above was:

X701D-A4 Alpine Radio/Navi Head $1300*
Alpine DVE-5300 $329.99
Alpine HCE-C252RD Backup Camera ($200.00) and Alpine A4 camera installation kit KIT-R1AU ($70.00) Total $270.00*
NaviExtras supplies the Alpine maps https://alpine.naviextras.com/shop/ The US Map is $59.95. US 3D Pack $7.95
*ebay Marco Meggio - Italian Car Electronics reseller
My installer also recommended a third party module to hack the VIM settings on the CAN bus. I can provide an online link. Pricing to me, installed, was $49.99. DIY looks to be between $15 and $20 for the module.

**captain_video** · 02-08-2017 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by gars7

The pricing I received for the components listed above was:

X701D-A4 Alpine Radio/Navi Head $1300*
Alpine DVE-5300 $329.99
Alpine HCE-C252RD Backup Camera ($200.00) and Alpine A4 camera installation kit KIT-R1AU ($70.00) Total $270.00*
NaviExtras supplies the Alpine maps https://alpine.naviextras.com/shop/ The US Map is $59.95. US 3D Pack $7.95
*ebay Marco Meggio - Italian Car Electronics reseller
My installer also recommended a third party module to hack the VIM settings on the CAN bus. I can provide an online link. Pricing to me, installed, was $49.99. DIY looks to be between $15 and $20 for the module.

That's the same dealer I found on ebay. Did you buy everything through him or did you shop around for best prices? The price of the DVD player is consistent with every other seller I found online. Where did you find the back-up camera for only $200? Most places I found have it listed at $349, which is highway robbery considering you can buy generic back-up cameras for about $20. I have one with a license plate frame that I only paid about $30-40 for. I wonder if there's any way to retrofit a camera with just the RCA and power connections to work with the Alpine head unit.

If you can provide the link for the module that would be greatly appreciated.

**gars7** · 02-08-2017 02:13 PM

Captain,

The $200 was the agreed offer price I negotiated with Marco. Same for the KIT-R1AU.

The camera spec looks generic, so you should be able to find a cheaper alternative, including cheaper models from Alpine, at some loss of functionality. The KIT-R1AU is also generic, and includes the Audi components for placing the camera in the trunk handle. It is likely worth the price to have those bits in hand. The camera supports a panoramic view, an angular view, and a top down view (i.e., the Audi top view showing how the vehicle is placed in relationship to adjacent objects.)

The following component is for VIM unlock. https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...-TR1-TR-1.html

**Spacemonkey** · 02-08-2017 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Drunktank

You could ask Alpine Europe also, they should be able to tell you straightaway what the complication is. If the functionality all works up front and it's just a case of the Alpine's inability to talk over optical,then you would just need to replace the factory amp and you'd be good to go.

I run my own amps and DSP so I hope that's the case because I really like the interface on this unit. Plus, I like the fact that you run a direct digital connect to it.

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**prkieffer** · 02-08-2017 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by gars7

The pricing I received for the components listed above was:

X701D-A4 Alpine Radio/Navi Head $1300*
Alpine DVE-5300 $329.99
Alpine HCE-C252RD Backup Camera ($200.00) and Alpine A4 camera installation kit KIT-R1AU ($70.00) Total $270.00*
NaviExtras supplies the Alpine maps https://alpine.naviextras.com/shop/ The US Map is $59.95. US 3D Pack $7.95
*ebay Marco Meggio - Italian Car Electronics reseller
My installer also recommended a third party module to hack the VIM settings on the CAN bus. I can provide an online link. Pricing to me, installed, was $49.99. DIY looks to be between $15 and $20 for the module.

Please send me link to hack vim through can-bus. I have not been able to figure it out. Thanks

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**gars7** · 02-08-2017 03:53 PM

At your request, the following component is for VIM unlock. https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...-TR1-TR-1.html

**captain_video** · 02-09-2017 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by gars7

At your request, the following component is for VIM unlock. https://www.sonicelectronix.com/item...-TR1-TR-1.html

I know I requested the link, but here's a dumb question. What is VIM and what does the module do? I saw mention that it might be needed to allow VAG-COM to access the CAN bus. I have a VAG-COM so I would like to be able to check every system on my Audi if possible.

FWIW, I found the PAC TR-1 on Amazon for only $10.80 with free shipping.

**prkieffer** · 02-09-2017 05:57 AM

How does that work with the 701d it doesn't have the wires to hack into.

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**gars7** · 02-09-2017 06:07 AM

Captain,

VIM is video in motion. Normally, Audi does not permit adjustments to the Navi and DVD playback settings while the vehicle is in motion. The TR1 module overrides that prohibition. You can also do it in VCDS (VAG-COM) with a little work - you must calculate an override key based on the Advanced ID in the 5F (Information Electronic) module and input it to another adaption in 5F. I have that sequence, and have used it successfully, on my 2014 RS7. I have been busy at work of late and went ahead with the TR1 module as a time saver. BTW, great price! What did we do without Amazon?

In my experience with VCDS, it has no problem accessing the CAN bus. Do perform an Autoscan with Debug level set to 2, that will give you a listing of all modules in the car, their state, and all adaption channels and configuration settings.

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Originally Posted by prkieffer

How does that work with the 701d it doesn't have the wires to hack into.

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CAN bus hack - the module connects there.

**captain_video** · 02-09-2017 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by gars7

Captain,

VIM is video in motion. Normally, Audi does not permit adjustments to the Navi and DVD playback settings while the vehicle is in motion. The TR1 module overrides that prohibition. You can also do it in VCDS (VAG-COM) with a little work - you must calculate an override key based on the Advanced ID in the 5F (Information Electronic) module and input it to another adaption in 5F. I have that sequence, and have used it successfully, on my 2014 RS7. I have been busy at work of late and went ahead with the TR1 module as a time saver. BTW, great price! What did we do without Amazon?

In my experience with VCDS, it has no problem accessing the CAN bus. Do perform an Autoscan with Debug level set to 2, that will give you a listing of all modules in the car, their state, and all adaption channels and configuration settings.

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CAN bus hack - the module connects there.

Once again, thanks. Do you have a link for the CAN bus hack and anything else you just described? This is virgin territory for me and it would be helpful if I knew what I was looking for. I went ahead and purchased the PAC TR-1 from Amazon. They only had two left so I figured I might as well pick one up. Does it come with instructions for making the connections to the car?

**gars7** · 02-09-2017 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by captain_video

Once again, thanks. Do you have a link for the CAN bus hack and anything else you just described? This is virgin territory for me and it would be helpful if I knew what I was looking for. I went ahead and purchased the PAC TR-1 from Amazon. They only had two left so I figured I might as well pick one up. Does it come with instructions for making the connections to the car?

Captain,

Let me make it clear that removing safety restrictions on VIM is something you should do after careful consideration. That said, consult the http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-list-and-help forum here on AZ for a very complete list of VCDS tweaks. These should work fairly well on A4s pre-2014 or so as well. There are other lists like this, but sciblades did an outstanding job in curating this listing. Search for VIM and follow instructions. Look also at the instructions on "Disable NAV & Phone warning messages while entering data at speed" which may be of interest as well. Again, you are changing safety parameters of your car, do it responsibly and with care!

PM me and I can send you a short PDF on wiring instructions for the TR1. It is the one that should come with the device you ordered from Amazon.

**captain_video** · 02-10-2017 12:47 PM

Thanks once again. The list of hacks looks interesting and bears closer scrutiny. Looking at what the VIM hack does, chances are I probably won't take advantage of it. I may install the TR-1, but I am not interested in playing DVDs or any videos while I'm driving the car. It's definitely a safety hazard and not one I would take lightly. I still take exception when I see idiots talking on their cell phones while driving even though it's illegal to do so in Maryland without a hands-free setup. I don't want anything that would distract me from driving safely. I tend to drive with a lead foot so I want my mind focused on the road and all drivers in my immediate vicinity.

**prkieffer** · 02-11-2017 08:05 PM

I was able to fix the Video in Motion. Cut the yellow/blue wire coming from the alpine x701d yes I said it was yellow and blue some people state yellow and black but I've confirmed it is yellow and blue. Use the PAC TR1 and connect the green wire from the PAC tr1 to the yellow and blue wire on the x701d and then connect the black wire from the PAC tr1 to the ground on x701d. Finally connect the blue/white remote to the remote out hookup on the x701d. The yellow/black on the PAC tr1 can be ignored. It will not be used. After that the hdmi input works while in motion. Enjoy.

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**gars7** · 02-12-2017 07:06 AM

prkieffer,

Thanks for documenting this fix!

Also, as the "plank owner" of the X701D initiative, do you have any guidance on how to add in a Sirius module?

**prkieffer** · 02-12-2017 11:11 AM

I don't know anything about Sirius since I don't use it.

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**captain_video** · 02-13-2017 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by gars7

prkieffer,

Thanks for documenting this fix!

Also, as the "plank owner" of the X701D initiative, do you have any guidance on how to add in a Sirius module?

I don't use SiriusXM either, but aren't there adapters that simply plug in-line with the FM antenna lead to the head unit? You tune to an FM station and it allows you to receive the Sirius channels through your normal FM radio. This requires a separate satellite tuner and antenna to access the SiriusXM program material. Alpine makes the KCA-SC100 Sirius adapter, but I don't know much about it.

FWIW, I've been plagued with calls on a daily basis from SiriusXM ever since I purchased my Audi A4. I haven't answered the phone yet and don't have any intention of getting SiriusXM service.

**gars7** · 02-13-2017 10:22 AM

I must be in the wrong demographic - they have never called. That said, I would like to be able to assert to any future purchaser of the car the the radio performs in the same fashion as the OEM radio. As far as I can determine, the only thing I "lost" in the transition was Sirius and some AM(?) frequencies (need to confirm the latter when I can ask my daughter give up the car for an afternoon.)

Captain,
I have seen reference to the KCA-SC100 and the required Sirius device (SCC1?) Might you know if the KCA-SC100 is compatible with the X701D radio head?

**Christian@enfig** · 02-14-2017 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by gars7

I must be in the wrong demographic - they have never called. That said, I would like to be able to assert to any future purchaser of the car the the radio performs in the same fashion as the OEM radio. As far as I can determine, the only thing I "lost" in the transition was Sirius and some AM(?) frequencies (need to confirm the latter when I can ask my daughter give up the car for an afternoon.)

Captain,
I have seen reference to the KCA-SC100 and the required Sirius device (SCC1?) Might you know if the KCA-SC100 is compatible with the X701D radio head?

Those are old discontinued units. XSV300 is the new aftermarket standard. I never checked the radio for a sirius port.

**captain_video** · 02-14-2017 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Christian@enfig

Those are old discontinued units. XSV300 is the new aftermarket standard. I never checked the radio for a sirius port.

If the KCA-SC100 or the SiriusXM SXV300 requires a Sirius port then I suspect neither one works directly with the X701D. The X701D is marketed for Europe, which does not have SiriusXM service and will not likely have the ability to connect such an adapter. I think you'd have to look for a universal adapter that works with non-SiriusXM-ready head units.

**captain_video** · 02-19-2017 06:58 AM

Well, I guess I've committed myself to upgrading my A4 with this head unit. I just picked up a new DVE-5000 DVD/CD player on ebay for less than retail so now I have to start saving to get the X701D and backup camera.

I don't yet have a service manual for this car so I'm wondering if anyone has a link to a set of instructions for accessing and replacing the factory speakers, mainly the ones in the door. I just realized this car has ten speakers. It's pretty clear that they thought quantity was more important than quality in this case. I know the Alpine head unit won't come close to the same sound quality as my old Clarion head unit, but it will still be a step up from the factory unit. I just have to formulate how I want to install the aftermarket amps, speakers, and associated wiring. I figure I can get a jump on installing the amps and the wiring before I get the head unit to reduce the down time.

**kwbdc** · 02-25-2017 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by gars7

prkieffer,

Thanks for documenting this fix!

Also, as the "plank owner" of the X701D initiative, do you have any guidance on how to add in a Sirius module?

I added a Sirius unit in the glove box via the AUX input. Works fine. Only bad thing is you have to access channels every time in the glove box and can't see channels on your screen. For AM channels I can just stream those via BT using IHeart radio or something.

**Audi 4 Life** · 02-26-2017 02:27 AM

I emailed the guy on eBay that had a listing for this and asked for a quote for the entire kit with all side and rear cams dvd, upgraded speakers and everything.... he quoted me over 3grand. I dunno seems like a lot I dunno how good the speakers and amp are seems like a lot there are a lot better and cheaper ways to upgrade the system. I was thinking if I keep this car of installing a android tv box and adding touch screen upgrading the sub adding rear cam and a few small other things. Would be a lot less than spending 3 plus k on this unit.

Also those red lights on both sides are hideous I can't stand them I would have to find a matching black paint to cover them up or something. I dunno just doesn't seem worth it.

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**prkieffer** · 02-26-2017 08:51 PM

Good luck mate. The android won't incorporate with the car can bus system will be super problematic for resetting anything with the system! Tpms for tires oil changes and levels all kinds of problems.

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**Audi 4 Life** · 02-27-2017 04:05 PM

That's funny my friend has it in his allroad. All you need is a video interface intergration and then once you have the system hooked up you can teather your phone for internet connection.

He has this done on his rnse which is similar as setting it up in our cars that don't have nav.

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**captain_video** · 03-02-2017 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by A4QuattroV6

I emailed the guy on eBay that had a listing for this and asked for a quote for the entire kit with all side and rear cams dvd, upgraded speakers and everything.... he quoted me over 3grand. I dunno seems like a lot I dunno how good the speakers and amp are seems like a lot there are a lot better and cheaper ways to upgrade the system. I was thinking if I keep this car of installing a android tv box and adding touch screen upgrading the sub adding rear cam and a few small other things. Would be a lot less than spending 3 plus k on this unit.

Also those red lights on both sides are hideous I can't stand them I would have to find a matching black paint to cover them up or something. I dunno just doesn't seem worth it.

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I did a search for the SPC-100AU and SPC-200AU upgrade kits from Alpine for the A4 and the two of them combined was easily over two grand retail. It replaces the stock amp, the door speakers, and the three speakers across the dash. I don't know if the stock speakers and subwoofer in the rear deck are disconnected or just left hooked up to the stock amplifier. Personally, I'd never spend that much on any Alpine speaker setup. The amp is probably fine, but I've never been impressed by any of their speakers. There are far better speakers to be found from other manufacturers. It all depends on how much sound quality you want from your system. I also wonder about the sound quality from the X701D. I have no doubt that it's a step up from the stock head unit, but there are very few head units currently on the market that I would consider high end anymore. They're mostly all about the bells and whistles instead of sound quality these days.

I looked at the installation instructions for the door speaker upgrade and it comes with a few small patches of sound dampening material. IMO, if you're going to use any dampening material, you shouldn't throw on just a few small patches. Do the entire door panel if you want it done right. You'd be amazed at what it can do to improve the sound of almost any system.

**prkieffer** · 03-02-2017 01:06 PM

Agreed I was implying this upgrade for the people who are just looking for a little bump. High end is a whole other story. I run focal es 165kx3 in front and kx2 in back with audison bit one hd and 3 audison voce Amps with 2 jl w6 in trunk. Sound deadener alone was over 3k. But only a few people are building systems above 12k

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**captain_video** · 03-05-2017 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by prkieffer

Agreed I was implying this upgrade for the people who are just looking for a little bump. High end is a whole other story. I run focal es 165kx3 in front and kx2 in back with audison bit one hd and 3 audison voce Amps with 2 jl w6 in trunk. Sound deadener alone was over 3k. But only a few people are building systems above 12k

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Nice. That's a little rich for my blood. I used to run Focal Utopia 6.5" 2-way separates in my B5 Passat until I switched to Hertz MLK165's. Much better midbass extension than the Focals. I used Raammat and Ensolite in my doors and it was a huge improvement in the sound without breaking the bank. I had an Image Dynamics 12" sub in the trunk in an enclosure I built. My head unit was a Clarion DRZ9255. I had a Phoenix Gold Ti800.4 amp running the Hertz speakers and a Zapco 500M for the sub. I have no doubt there are far better sounding systems, but it was by far the best sounding setup I've ever had. I could have used some equalization to smooth out the low end as there was an obvious dip near the crossover point. I'd like to be able to use the Hertz 2-ways, the Image Dynamics sub, and both amps in the A4, which is why the X701D is appealing to me.

I was just looking at the Audison Bit One and it looks like it might be just what I was looking for to provide the equalization I need for the low end. I believe Christian had mentioned it when I emailed him a while back. The Bit One HD looks like it's more than I need for my system. There's one on ebay I've got my eye on so maybe I'll place a bid and see how it goes.

**prkieffer** · 03-05-2017 11:08 AM

I have a Rockford 360.3 for sale if your interested? Excellent processor I just went a little insane when upgrading

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**captain_video** · 03-06-2017 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by prkieffer

I have a Rockford 360.3 for sale if your interested? Excellent processor I just went a little insane when upgrading

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Thanks for the offer, but I won the auction for the Audison Bit One so I'm good. Now I just need to come up with the money for the X701D and the backup camera.

**prkieffer** · 03-06-2017 05:19 PM

Enjoy the new setup!

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**captain_video** · 03-07-2017 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by prkieffer

Enjoy the new setup!

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Thanks, but it will be a while before I can purchase the X701D. I figure I'll go ahead and run the wiring and mount the amps as well as install the damping material in the doors. That way it's just a matter of swapping out the front speakers after installing the X701D. I may see if I can pick up the camera cable ahead of time so I can have that ready to go as well.