B8.5 allroad Info & Resources Megathread

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Added vinny.dtw's build thread to the first page.

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Added Rickashae13's new build thread.

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Added hakim0409's thread.

[hakim0409]

awesome thread!! thank you

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I've been looking for info like this for some time, so this is super helpful:

If you're looking for a factory trailer wiring kit you can get them here:
http://www.pfjones.co.uk/audi-a4-all...214300107.html
http://www.pfjones.co.uk/audi-a4-ava...214300107.html

The shipping will probably not be cheap but will be fast, and they will take off VAT for US Orders bringing the price down.
I have this on my Allroad and it works well. You get light bulb out notifications (supposedly) and it turns off the rear parking sensors. It may add some protection/awareness for the engine and transmission but I'm not sure the specifics. ECO mode is disabled in ADS.

Make sure you *dont* get the ones that are for vehicles with trailer preparation if you're in the US they don't have that.

Also beware the coding that you can find for this on audizine and on the internet is not yet known to work with ACC.

[vinny.dtw]

Awesome thread, just a note on the Thule AeroBlade option. I believe you need to get both the 7502(B) and 7503(B) as the bars are sold individually and the widths vary from front to back. I almost ordered a single 7502 and would have been confused when a single bar arrived in the mail.

I have two 7502. It still works because the length is adjustable. Haven't had any issues with the install. It cuts real close to the roof with my Thule box though.

[KFizz]

Hey guys. I'm in need of some tire and spacer advice for my Allroad. I recently bought a new set of summer wheels, Renn Motorsport RS-51, pictured below. The wheels are 19 x 9.5 ET35. I chose to stick with 19" because the roads here can be kinda crap, and this keeps the weight down a little. ...It's also cheaper this way, which is nice.

I will be lowering the car at the same time I install these wheels. I'm not looking to slam the car. I would like to go for more of a "performance/track" type look than the bagged look. So here's the question.... what is the widest tire I can run and still avoid rubbing issues? These Are the options I'd me looking at:
255/35/19
255/40/19
265/35/19

I will also need to run spacers. ET35 is definitely too high of an offset. Any recommendations on this? Again the goal would be as aggressive as possible, but without the possibility of rubbing.

I would go out and measure if I had more of the components available, however I don't have the suspension on the car yet. I really want to get everything installed in one shot. So I'd like to have all of the parts here when I go to install, and get it right the first time.

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Added AllroadCorbin's build thread to the first page.

Hey guys. I'm in need of some tire and spacer advice for my Allroad. I recently bought a new set of summer wheels, Renn Motorsport RS-51, pictured below. The wheels are 19 x 9.5 ET35. I chose to stick with 19" because the roads here can be kinda crap, and this keeps the weight down a little. ...It's also cheaper this way, which is nice.

I will be lowering the car at the same time I install these wheels. I'm not looking to slam the car. I would like to go for more of a "performance/track" type look than the bagged look. So here's the question.... what is the widest tire I can run and still avoid rubbing issues? These Are the options I'd me looking at:
255/35/19
255/40/19
265/35/19

I will also need to run spacers. ET35 is definitely too high of an offset. Any recommendations on this? Again the goal would be as aggressive as possible, but without the possibility of rubbing.

I would go out and measure if I had more of the components available, however I don't have the suspension on the car yet. I really want to get everything installed in one shot. So I'd like to have all of the parts here when I go to install, and get it right the first time.

Hey dude, I've been meaning to reply to your PM. With a 9.5" et35 wheel, I'd say start with a 10mm spacer and see what you think. You might want to have 12 & 15mm spacers on hand too, just to test fit. Order a couple of each and return the ones you don't use. Or hang onto them, because you never know when you'll need them. I'd stick with 255 tires to avoid rubbing, but if you don't go completely slammed low, then you might be okay with 265s. I wouldn't go above a 35 profile, but that's me. There was a little bit of stretch on my 9" wide S5 peelers with 255/35 PSS, and I think that helped to avoid some rubbing. There's not really a one-size-fits-all answer, so it might take a little bit of trial & error with spacers and ride height.

[KFizz]

So wheels just came in today. Is it normal for 9.5" wheels to measure 10.5" across?


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So wheels just came in today. Is it normal for 9.5" wheels to measure 10.5" across?

Wheel width is measured between the beads.

[KFizz]

Wheel width is measured between the beads.

great. thanks a lot. you learn something new every day.

[dnoyeb]

Forgive me; I've been searching and haven't really found an all out answer.... I just bought a 2015 allroad prestige with the sport package and the driver assistance package; does Drive select only impact Throttle/engine, adaptive cruise control and steering? Do our allroads have anything in the suspension that alters based on the settings in drive select? Been reading about this for a while and find that some a4's seem to; but cannot find any definitive answer on the Allroad...

I see things like this posted in some reviews: ". Like the four-door, the Allroad can be fitted with dynamic variable-ratio steering and Drive Select, which tailors its electric power steering, transmission, throttle and shock settings for sporty or soft driving." but then see other places where they omit the part about the shocks.

Working on learning as fast as I can and hope to get a thread going once I have a few more posts / items done to the car... I decided to go from an Acura TSX wagon to this after seeing Audi's buzzing all around my house.... See; I live 1 mile from APR's headquarters and I drive by it at least 4 times a day... So I figured why not get an audi ;)

[KFizz]

Forgive me; I've been searching and haven't really found an all out answer.... I just bought a 2015 allroad prestige with the sport package and the driver assistance package; does Drive select only impact Throttle/engine, adaptive cruise control and steering? Do our allroads have anything in the suspension that alters based on the settings in drive select? Been reading about this for a while and find that some a4's seem to; but cannot find any definitive answer on the Allroad...

I see things like this posted in some reviews: ". Like the four-door, the Allroad can be fitted with dynamic variable-ratio steering and Drive Select, which tailors its electric power steering, transmission, throttle and shock settings for sporty or soft driving." but then see other places where they omit the part about the shocks.

Working on learning as fast as I can and hope to get a thread going once I have a few more posts / items done to the car... I decided to go from an Acura TSX wagon to this after seeing Audi's buzzing all around my house.... See; I live 1 mile from APR's headquarters and I drive by it at least 4 times a day... So I figured why not get an audi ;)

My Allroad does not have adaptive suspension, and as far as I know none of the Allroads do. At least not in North America.

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My Allroad does not have adaptive suspension, and as far as I know none of the Allroads do. At least not in North America.

I'm with Kyle, I don't believe adaptive suspension was an option on US allroads. dnoyeb, does your allroad have adaptive cruise?

[KFizz]

I just found a really good deal on a set of KW coilovers (Variant 1) for my Allroad. I made the purchase kind of abruptly, because I didn't want to miss out. Unfortunately I didn't have a whole lot of time to research first.

This is the part number for the coilovers I ordered KW:10210078 Here

Does anyone have some experience with these coilovers? I'm hoping someone can confirm that this is the correct one for my car. I'm sure I can still cancel the order if it's not correct.

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This is the part number for the coilovers I ordered KW:10210078 Here

You should be good. That's the part number I found listed for B8 Avant/B8.5 allroad when I was looking.

[KFizz]

Awesome! thank you so much. The only specific reference I was able to find was this https://www.gmpperformance.com/index...5#!prettyPhoto. When I click on the link to the coilovers they installed I get this part number KW: 10210099. But then when I run it again on KWs website it says it's for models with electronic dampening.

This is now 2 sources telling me that the 10210078 model is the correct one. That works for me. Thanks again.

[dnoyeb]

I'm with Kyle, I don't believe adaptive suspension was an option on US allroads. dnoyeb, does your allroad have adaptive cruise?

Yea, it has adaptive cruise, the CPO literally had every option ticked... (BTW I hate adaptive cruise and wish there was a way to turn it off)



Love this thing, just really want to drop it down already... Planning on sticking with OEM audi wheels, either the 20" or 19" ones I keep seeing as dealer pulls on ebay... Been talking with the APR guys, going to stop over there in the coming days since they are one mile from my house... hoping that they can at least recommend someone to help out on suspension installs here in Auburn since they don't do any of that in house anymore.

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Yea, it has adaptive cruise, the CPO literally had every option ticked... (BTW I hate adaptive cruise and wish there was a way to turn it off)



Love this thing, just really want to drop it down already... Planning on sticking with OEM audi wheels, either the 20" or 19" ones I keep seeing as dealer pulls on ebay... Been talking with the APR guys, going to stop over there in the coming days since they are one mile from my house... hoping that they can at least recommend someone to help out on suspension installs here in Auburn since they don't do any of that in house anymore.

You can turn off adaptive cruise, do you mean the crash avoidance thing? I had both on my B8 avant and liked them.

[dnoyeb]

The part I want to turn off is where it starts slowing it down while i'm cruising down the highway at 80 and someone 200ft up ahead is doing 60, I'd rather it not slow me down to 60 mph but just act like a normal cruise and let me choose when to change lanes... also on corners on the interstate it'll pickup the lane to the right and slow me down .. very annoying.

I can adjust the car lengths from what i've found but not turn it completely off. So based on the sticker, I don't see anything about suspension so I assume this one is just like the rest and has a normal suspension that I can just throw some H&R lowering springs on and be decently happy (not really wanting to do a full new suspension right now).

[ATL_wagon_guy]

One thought for an addition (or maybe someone knows already): What is the process for removing the Allroad front end? I've been reading several threads that mention that the process is slightly different from the standard A4/S4, namely that there are three pieces to remove instead of it all being one large piece. Knowing what's different would be a huge help for people (like me) who want to change their grilles to a non-plate version - especially if they've never done it before.

[Killerboots]

While there is not a specific DIY that i have seen tailored for the B8.5 allroad grille replacement, I used the ECS Tuning A4/S4 pdf guide to help me along. Took me two hours with a buddy and we were drinking beers.

The guide is similar enough to get the job done. It helped to have several lengths of socket extensions to get into all the nooks. The tabs at the bottom of the grille that snap into the lower cowl will likely get annihilated when trying to remove your original grille. At least mine did. Those Audi engineers probably got a good laugh about that thinking no one would want to change their grille.

Check it:

http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3...stallation.pdf

[dropshadow]

While there is not a specific DIY that i have seen tailored for the B8.5 allroad grille replacement, I used the ECS Tuning A4/S4 pdf guide to help me along. Took me two hours along with a buddy and we were drinking beers.

The guide is similar enough to get the job done. It helped to have several lengths of socket extensions to get into all the nooks. The tabs at the bottom of the grille that snap into the lower cowl will likely get annihilated when trying to remove your original grille. At least mine did. Those Audi engineers probably got a good laugh about that thinking no one would want to change their grille.

Check it:

http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3...stallation.pdf

Those grille tabs are a pain in the ass on all B8 models. Broke a bunch off on my B8 Avant and B8.5 S4.

As for the bumper itself, I've found that having a deep 10mm socket and a few extensions (as mentioned) goes a long way to making the job easier. Those bolts that mount the bumper under/behind the headlights are a pain to get to. A flexible extension is handy as well.

[BrewDude]

I will also need to run spacers. ET35 is definitely too high of an offset. Any recommendations on this? Again the goal would be as aggressive as possible, but without the possibility of rubbing.

You don't need to run spacers on a ET35. I have BBS CH-R's in a 19x9.5 with 265/35's installed. No issues with KW HAS/Sachs Sport shocks setup.

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[zcspec]

Those grille tabs are a pain in the ass on all B8 models. Broke a bunch off on my B8 Avant and B8.5 S4.

As for the bumper itself, I've found that having a deep 10mm socket and a few extensions (as mentioned) goes a long way to making the job easier. Those bolts that mount the bumper under/behind the headlights are a pain to get to. A flexible extension is handy as well.

I am installing my TR8 IC in the next couple of weeks and dreading the removal of the bumper. Having looked at this PDF and a few others, it doesn't seem too difficult. The tricky ones look like the ones you mentioned. Can you confirm the level of difficulty dropwshadow?

[dropshadow]

I am installing my TR8 IC in the next couple of weeks and dreading the removal of the bumper. Having looked at this PDF and a few others, it doesn't seem too difficult. The tricky ones look like the ones you mentioned. Can you confirm the level of difficulty dropwshadow?

The first time you take a B8 bumper off, it can be a challenge. After that, it's a piece of cake. I think it took us an hour to do it the first time with three people. Now I can do it myself in about 15 minutes. For me, once the bumper was off and I could see all the screws/tabs/etc., it made it easier to understand when I was putting it back together.

[Rickashae13]

Anyone think I'll have any rubbing issues with a 20x10.5, et30 wheel with 275/30/20 Conti DWS06 all around. Will be lowered on Solowerks coilovers this week and hopefully slap the wheels on by the weekend.

Thanks!


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Added earhythmic's thread to the list.

[skis4hire]

The part I want to turn off is where it starts slowing it down while i'm cruising down the highway at 80 and someone 200ft up ahead is doing 60, I'd rather it not slow me down to 60 mph but just act like a normal cruise and let me choose when to change lanes... also on corners on the interstate it'll pickup the lane to the right and slow me down .. very annoying.

I can adjust the car lengths from what i've found but not turn it completely off. So based on the sticker, I don't see anything about suspension so I assume this one is just like the rest and has a normal suspension that I can just throw some H&R lowering springs on and be decently happy (not really wanting to do a full new suspension right now).

If the ACC is a separate control module, you could disable it in the CAN gateway using VCDS and then recode other modules to expect it to be missing. Not sure if it would work but a thought.

Have you used it in stop and go traffic? That seems like the best application.

[Slow4]

First and foremost, great thread DropShadow and beautiful AR you have there. I didn't want to create a separate thread since I figure this thread would cover most of my questions and I also got a chance to browse all the "buildesque" threads that you linked, to get a better understanding of what I can be working with; beautiful cars Gents.

My question is geared towards the performance aspect of the ARs 2.slo engine and its potentials. I've browsed the B8 A4 forum and I gotta say, its pretty boring in there (no offense to the B8 A4 owners) with very minimal results. Anyways, I came from a B5 S4 and settled into the B6/7 S4 world, where I spent most of my time "building" my Avant to what I wanted it to be. The primary focus for both my Audi adventures has ALWAYS been centered around performance with some nods to the aesthetics so if possible, be gentle with your roasting of me with the following Qs:

a. Cookie-cutter tunes, who are they?
b. Full Catback systems, as in both CB and DPs, who are they?
b1. are there any benefits to getting DPs for this car, as I've read the OEM DPs are already free-flowing so getting a bigger setup only promotes "noise-deepening"?
c. how big of a performance market is there? (the BHF 4.2s were pretty limited compared to the 2.7s and 1.8s of the Audi world)

Personal Qs:

1. How do you owners feel about the reserved 211bhp/258btq power rating on your ARs? Does it leave you wanting more?
2. For those that have plowed through some deep snow, if I get an AR, it will be my DD and as a first responder, I need to get to work in the worse of weathers; how did it handle in the snow? Was the power adequate enough to get you through at least 6" of snow?
3. What exactly is the "Sports seats" and what does it look like?
4. I have twins and a 6yr old, if I need to fit the twins in the rear with a convertible, will it fit them?

Thanks gents for your time.

[dropshadow]

Ok, here goes:

a. Cookie-cutter tunes, who are they?
b. Full Catback systems, as in both CB and DPs, who are they?
b1. are there any benefits to getting DPs for this car, as I've read the OEM DPs are already free-flowing so getting a bigger setup only promotes "noise-deepening"?
c. how big of a performance market is there? (the BHF 4.2s were pretty limited compared to the 2.7s and 1.8s of the Audi world)

Personal Qs:

1. How do you owners feel about the reserved 211bhp/258btq power rating on your ARs? Does it leave you wanting more?
2. For those that have plowed through some deep snow, if I get an AR, it will be my DD and as a first responder, I need to get to work in the worse of weathers; how did it handle in the snow? Was the power adequate enough to get you through at least 6" of snow?
3. What exactly is the "Sports seats" and what does it look like?
4. I have twins and a 6yr old, if I need to fit the twins in the rear with a convertible, will it fit them?

A. As far as "off the shelf" tunes, the options are pretty much identical to B8 A4 tunes. The exception is that the majority of US allroads (except some early 2013 models) are E85 compatible, so there's the potential for more power with an E85 tune. I'm running APR's Stage 2 E85 tune, and it's incredible. The power that can be produced by the 2.0T on E85 is surprising.

B. I have a Magnaflow because I liked the sound and the price. There are others, but they'll cost a lot more. I have zero complaints about mine.

B1. I had an AWE downpipe on the car briefly, but took it off because it was just too loud. I can't comment on DP's from other manufacturers.

C. There are a lot more options for forced-induction cars than for an NA V8. The 2.0T has been around for a while now, and there are plenty of bolt-ons, tunes, and even turbo upgrades for it.


1. If power important to you, no question, get a tune. I got mine immediately after buying the car and never looked back. If you're concerned about a warranty, read up on TD1 flagging. It's a gamble, but you have to pay to play if you want more power.

2. Get snow tires and you'll be unstoppable. 6" of snow shouldn't be enough to stop any Audi, especially on snow tires. The allroad's stock ride height will help even more. I didn't bother to raise my car for winter and it still gets around fine. 6" of snow wouldn't stop me on my Blizzaks.

3. Comfort seats on the left, sport seats on the right. The Sport seats also have an adjustable thigh bolster, similar to B8 S4 seats.


4. Three kids in the back of any B8 will be tough. You can fit two car seats in the back, but there won't be room left for a third. If you're comfortable with your 6yo riding up front, that's your call. I used a large car seat (Chicco NextFit CX) and a baby seat (Chicco KeyFit 30) in my backseat, and it was fine. Both the driver and front passenger seats had to move forward to accommodate, but it's not terrible. If you're tall (6'+), this might be a dealbreaker for you. The hatch area is also tight once you've got a stroller in there. Be prepared to do some tetris work if you need to carry stroller and other stuff. I'd highly recommend a roof box for longer trips, especially with 3 kids.

[Slow4]

Awesome, thank you Sir.

I posted a similar question in the B8 A4 forums as I have VERY little knowledge about the 2.0 and who's working with it.

Are there many ARs out there with the "S-Line" package or is that exclusive only to the sedans?

Is there any known glitches or issues with the Start/Stop Ignition system in the P+/Prestige packages?




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[dropshadow]

Awesome, thank you Sir.

I posted a similar question in the B8 A4 forums as I have VERY little knowledge about the 2.0 and who's working with it.

Are there many ARs out there with the "S-Line" package or is that exclusive only to the sedans?

Is there any known glitches or issues with the Start/Stop Ignition system in the P+/Prestige packages?

There's no S-line package for the allroad. S-line is an appearance package for the A4 that adds S4-like exterior elements. There aren't any allroad exterior packages, but the biggest trim option is the interior Sport package, which gets you the 3-spoke steering wheel with paddle shifters, and sport seats. In the 2013 allroad, the only way to get a black headliner was to option the Sport package with the chestnut brown seats. Later, the black headliner was standard on all cars with the Sport interior.

I haven't heard of any issues with push button start.

[Unit1Evangelion]

a. Cookie-cutter tunes, who are they?
b. Full Catback systems, as in both CB and DPs, who are they?
b1. are there any benefits to getting DPs for this car, as I've read the OEM DPs are already free-flowing so getting a bigger setup only promotes "noise-deepening"?
c. how big of a performance market is there? (the BHF 4.2s were pretty limited compared to the 2.7s and 1.8s of the Audi world)

Personal Qs:

1. How do you owners feel about the reserved 211bhp/258btq power rating on your ARs? Does it leave you wanting more?
2. For those that have plowed through some deep snow, if I get an AR, it will be my DD and as a first responder, I need to get to work in the worse of weathers; how did it handle in the snow? Was the power adequate enough to get you through at least 6" of snow?
3. What exactly is the "Sports seats" and what does it look like?
4. I have twins and a 6yr old, if I need to fit the twins in the rear with a convertible, will it fit them?

Thanks gents for your time.

a. APR, GAIC, REVO...etc. As Sean said about the E85 tune is right. It is awesome. When I first bought my Allroad, I was on GIAC Stg 2 91octane. It was decent but compared to my GIAC Stg2 E85, it hands down beats it. Not only that, so much cheaper. I was getting 300-330mpg on 91 octane($2.91), now I'm getting 230-280 on E85($1.99). Saving a lot more with more power.
b. I have AWE turbo back. I never got any of the sounds Sean did but I love mine. The blowback sound when I'm 5500rpms or higher shifting gears makes it seem like I'm driving even faster!
b1. Honestly not too sure. It might fall under the same realm as the cold air intake which is already outstanding and the after market ones barely give you any noticeable increase.
c. Sean answered this pretty well. Could do an S4 engine/drivetrain swap if you get an Allroad cheap enough to afford a donor if you want more power.

1. Yes, could not stand stock. I was in the market for the S4 swap until my piston blew and I didn't have enough saved to do the swap so I had to just get it rebuilt.
2. I had all terrain tires and I was perfectly fine. Even with my traction control off. (soooo much fun haha)
3. Sean answered that. You can actually find people who are willing to trade their Avant sport seats(alcantara) for the all leather ones, as they don't want to deal with cleaning the suede.
4. Yes this is possible. I had twin Recaro kid seats in the back seat(put down seat pads) with room to drop down the center arm rest. Then again it all depends on how far back you like lean when driving.


Btw, I use my push start button every day for the last year(multiple times a day) and never had a fault in it at all. I never use the key as its usually in my backpack.

[Slow4]

Haha, the 230mpt range is funny; that was my weekly average in the Avant so I'm use to shitty gas mileage.

@unit - even with the 2.0 rebuild, does the engine itself leave you wanting more or does the e85 program give you what you're asking for?

I just don't want to buy an AR, get stuck with this void that there could be more and just end up hating the AR. This is my current predicament with the Flex; I originally had it as a people hauler and my Avant would be my smiles per mile car but now that it's gone, the flex is my daily.


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[Butler230]

4. I have twins and a 6yr old, if I need to fit the twins in the rear with a convertible, will it fit them?

Thanks gents for your time.

I don't have an allroad, but I believe the rear seat is the same as in my B8 avant. I currently have three across in mine. It is VERY tight, but my oldest (turned 7 in August) only complains when it comes time to buckle himself and he has a tight fit for his hand to get to the latch. He currently rides in a Bubble Bum http://www.amazon.com/BubbleBum-Infl.../dp/B00AQYZCXK which I believe is the smallest booster available. My two youngest are 5 and 2.5 and they both ride in Radian RXT front facing. These have a very narrow base and slim profile which allows me to sit them side by side.

[dnoyeb]

one of these days i'll just start a thread... anyways, Cornering lights, H7.... noticed on mine that they're a more amber color than a color of the main adaptive headlights. Are all H7's created equally in the sense that an H7 is an H7 for fitting / wattage? (quick looking around the internet they have varying wattages, so not sure which I need) I was hoping to get some Hoen's xenonmatch since that's what i'm installing in the fog light spot; but they are out of stock. I'd really like to get the color more in line with the headlights so it's not so obvious that they're lighting up when I head into corners...

Anyone have a version they recommend? found thee over at Eurpoaparts: H7 blue

[Unit1Evangelion]

Haha, the 230mpt range is funny; that was my weekly average in the Avant so I'm use to shitty gas mileage.

@unit - even with the 2.0 rebuild, does the engine itself leave you wanting more or does the e85 program give you what you're asking for?

I just don't want to buy an AR, get stuck with this void that there could be more and just end up hating the AR. This is my current predicament with the Flex; I originally had it as a people hauler and my Avant would be my smiles per mile car but now that it's gone, the flex is my daily.

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I'm a speed hound. I'm pretty satisfied with my Audi but I have a '66 Ford Fairlane with over 400hp to put that craving to rest when my Audi don't satisfy my urges. Though with 300hp or so out of my Audi isn't bad. The AWD makes it seem like I have far more torque than what I have and I pull(reallllllll good in 3rd and 4th gear) so it is fine for me. But like I said, if you have the funds or are in good standings with someone at a dealership/shop to keep their eye out for a donor S4, make the swap. I was quoted between $5-10k at most shops to do the swap with a week or 2 time frame. But if you stage 3 your Allroad and put a sports diff in it, that would far more power than to tame the demon inside you.

I don't have an allroad, but I believe the rear seat is the same as in my B8 avant. I currently have three across in mine. It is VERY tight, but my oldest (turned 7 in August) only complains when it comes time to buckle himself and he has a tight fit for his hand to get to the latch. He currently rides in a Bubble Bum http://www.amazon.com/BubbleBum-Infl.../dp/B00AQYZCXK which I believe is the smallest booster available. My two youngest are 5 and 2.5 and they both ride in Radian RXT front facing. These have a very narrow base and slim profile which allows me to sit them side by side.

Honestly I think it all rolls down to what seats you have. Different companies have different widths.


If anything you could always do this? Many people have done this mod. Just take it out once they get older.

[Slow4]

^^ WTF mod is that? I'm interested!

[dropshadow]

^^ WTF mod is that? I'm interested!

C5 allroad has a third seat option. B8 allroad doesn't, unfortunately.