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    Veteran Member Four Rings
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    Help with my alignment?

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    So I have H&R springs and after installing front upper adjustable control arms, I took the car to a shop recommended to me by a good friend (owner of the shop has an RS6). I had asked for -1.2 or so degrees of camber all around (with the intention of adding more before track weekends), 0 toe up front and .05 degrees of toe in in the rear. I had taken it in originally and got it done, but they put in way too much caster, so I took it back to them the next day to have the caster dialed down some. This is what I got -



    So, not perfect, but my concern was the amount of toe in the rear. Looking at the sheet, that .30 degrees to me looks like toe OUT, doesn't it? It looks like a positive number up front means toe in, but in the back in means toe out (looking at the little illustrations next to toe).

    Whatever, I knew I was going to have to take it back because I wanted to install the B5 perches. I get that done and take it back to them to have them basically just adjust toe again since the car got a little lower up front and it changes everything.

    I again asked for 0 toe up front and .05 toe in in the rear and this is what I got (excuse the crappy picture, the shop manager texted it to me) -



    Again, a bunch of toe in the back. They're saying that is toe IN, but to me it looks like toe OUT. The issue - they're saying the eccentric bolts are maxed out, they can't adjust them any more.

    Has anyone ever had such an issue getting the rear into spec? I didn't think it was an issue on the B7 chassis, so I'm starting to wonder if a) they don't know what they're doing with that rear adjustment or b) something is bent. I'd appreciate any input.
    2017 Camaro SS 1LE

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    Veteran Member Four Rings koolade9's Avatar
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    For the bottom set of numbers, + numbers for toe equate to toe-in. I'll take a pic of my lower tables to show the eccentric bolts that need to be addressed.
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    Veteran Member Four Rings badbluers4's Avatar
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    Good thing you got Koolade chiming in. I used his spec years ago, I don't know if I still have the pics of the printout. But follow his direction, and you're good.

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    Here's the issue. If that's a lot of toe in on the left and it needs more toe out, this is the left rear cam -



    That shows it toed out as much as it can go. What is going on here? lol


    Here is the right rear -



    Right can be adjusted some more, but it looks like there's something wrong with the left side. Any ideas?
    2017 Camaro SS 1LE

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    Guy at the shop is telling me it's because I've modified the suspension too much
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    Veteran Member Four Rings JimmyBones's Avatar
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    Do you see any scraping marks on the rear lower control arms? If so then it is very likely that you have a bent control arm.

    By the way, that is the cleanest rear suspension hardware that I have seen. Usually the stuff around here is corroded and rusty to hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBones View Post
    Do you see any scraping marks on the rear lower control arms? If so then it is very likely that you have a bent control arm.

    By the way, that is the cleanest rear suspension hardware that I have seen. Usually the stuff around here is corroded and rusty to hell!
    I'm going to take a close look at it all this weekend.

    Been a southern car it's whole life :) Mostly AZ.
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