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    Advice Needed - Cam Follower shot

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    2006 A4 B7 2.0T FSI Quattro 6MT - 102K miles

    Here is the horror I found today. What should I do now, put it back and take it to Audi, or try a new cam follower? I suspect the cam is scored I don't think it will last. Advice please. Thanks.






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    You could just put a new follower in but be ready to change them often. The best would be a new intake cam and might as well change the tensioner while you’re at it.

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    I would replace the follower and trade that bitch in. Its out of warranty so your on your own on this one. I see that you have been on here since 2007, I guess you didn't read much on here about this? Replacing the cam is going to cost you a lot. Just get a follower and put it in there and trade it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos2984 View Post
    I would replace the follower and trade that bitch in. Its out of warranty so your on your own on this one. I see that you have been on here since 2007, I guess you didn't read much on here about this? Replacing the cam is going to cost you a lot. Just get a follower and put it in there and trade it in.
    My hope is to keep it if Audi repairs it under warranty. If not, then a trade-in may be my next best. We'll see what Audi says.

    As for not reading, you're right. Up until recently the car has been flawless, and aside from basic maintenance it hasn't given me any trouble at all. In fact, it has been one of the most reliable cars I have ever owned. What little maintenance it needed Audi dealers generally did the job. Even now, with 102k miles, I still have the original brake pads and original wiper blades. As such, there wasn't much to fiddle with or read about, it was plain and simply a really reliable, carefree car for the past 8 years.

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    Ummmm? How in the hell do you have orginal wiper blades on there. That's crazy. Do you not drive the car in the rain. And you live in the sunshine state. I guess you keep the car in a garage also. 8 years crazy. Im lucky if I can get 2-3 years out of blades. Well you can try to see if audi will help you out. But did you do any of the service on the car at the dealer your going to? If you did a lot of service at that dealer, that will help your case more. just be prepared to pay diag fee if they wont cover it is all. Good luck hope it works out for you.


    You got lucky that it lasted that long. Ive seen vw people only have it last like 50K miles or so. I think most people just replace it every 20 25K or so. Its cheap enough to do.

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    Liberal use of Rain-X! At any speed over 30 you don't need to wipe. I try to take good care. Dealer this morn said he hasn't ever seen an 06 in such great shape.


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    Dealer called this morning, damage confirmed, Audi is picking up the tab to replace the cam. Phew!

    Amazingly though, they won't pay for my oil change... Weird!


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    did you go in there and ask for assistance. Did you do all your maintaince at that dealer? Well just be glad that's all you have to pay for is just the oil change lol. Id be happy to pay for that. At least your getting all new parts and put in for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos2984 View Post
    did you go in there and ask for assistance. Did you do all your maintaince at that dealer? Well just be glad that's all you have to pay for is just the oil change lol. Id be happy to pay for that. At least your getting all new parts and put in for free.
    After discovering the damage in the pictures above I put the pump and damaged follower back in just as I found it, took the car to the dealer, and asked for them to inspect it. The dealer said they would check the diagnostic codes, for a fee of $201. They didn't want to do the physical inspection unless the codes confirmed a problem, so I had to insist they physically inspect the cam follower - at additional unspecified cost. I also had them verify there is an extended warranty on the cam up to 120k miles.

    The dealer kept the car overnight, and this morning called to let me know they found the cam was damaged and Audi would replace it under warranty.

    I guess I'm glad they're doing the repair under warranty. But I have concerns what may come next. It can't be good to have metal bits from that chewed up cam follower floating around in the engine through the oil.

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    oh that's good. I didn't know that they had an extended warranty to cover that. That's good. Yea if I knew that I would of taken that to the dealer too.

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    Audi has a 120k mile extended warranty on the cam shaft/HPFP. In my case, I was having trouble for the past 10k miles with the odd CEL, and some barely noticeable hesitation (more like misfire) at low RPM and throttle tip-in. I went through various R&R of several parts, including the the low-pressure fuel sensor, the spark plugs, ignition coils, diverter valve, N80 purge valve and PCV valve to try to abolish that annoying miss. I finally got the tools and courage to go in and pull the high pressure fuel pump and check the cam follower underneath it that rides on top of the cam. The pictures show what I found in there.

    The big challenge from that point, once I knew there was a problem with the ill designed cam follower, was to get the Audi dealer to R&R. That was not as easy as it ought to be. The dealer basically refused to inspect the cam follower, even though they are fully aware and confirmed the extended warranty on the cam shaft. Their approach seems to be to wait for the ECU to throw trouble codes before they inspect anything. In my case, I slightly exaggerated the drivability issues, and I insisted they physically inspect the cam follower, but even then they wanted to charge $200 just to read the codes and additional unspecified cost to pull the pump and inspect the cam follower. Of course, I already knew the damage had already been done, so I pressed and promised to pay the dealer for the services if they didn't find anything wrong with the cam.

    In all, it took 3 full days for the dealer to R&R the cam. They replaced the cam shaft, the HPFP, the cam follower, the oil and filter, and some misc. gaskets and bolts. When it was said and done, and I got the car back, the miss at low RPM was gone and the car drove smoothly again as I remember it used to so long ago. The power delivery was smooth and linear, uninterrupted, with no jerking or misfires on throttle tip-in. It's a shame that it took this long, and that it cost me about $500 in parts and service that I really didn't need. I suppose the parts were bound to be due for R&R at some point, so I'm not really concerned that I spent the money on replacing them.

    The cam follower is really a design flaw on Audi's part. While I give Audi credit for covering their mistake with the extended warranty, they should be more up-front and less resistant to carrying out repairs. My car is at 103K miles, so in 17k miles the warranty will run out. Had I just kept driving it, as I do currently 100 miles/day, I probably would have reached 120K before the ECU sensed the problem, leaving me with a badly damaged motor and no warranty.

    Take my advise, if your car is getting up in miles and you haven't had the cam follower replaced, be sure to get it checked out before the warranty runs out. The repair costs nearly $1,900, which Audi paid for in my case. Don't let that be your hard-earned lesson.

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    Put it back together. I am literally sitting in the service department right now waiting for them to be done with mine. I had the same problem. I had to try a few dealers before I found one that would do it under the extended warrenty... I didn't have a check engine light though that made it a little hard to find a dealer to change it for free.

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    shit!

    so what were your symptoms and how long did theey keep your car? did they supply loaner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycaudi View Post
    shit!

    so what were your symptoms and how long did theey keep your car? did they supply loaner?
    There was no significant indication. About all I can think of was just a subtle and inconsistent hesitation or misfire under light throttle at low RPM. Nothing that would really make you think the cam was eating the fuel pump.

    I had some codes initially that came up a couple of months ago, but there was a number of things that were happening all at once. Literally, within a few days, I had the P0299, P0340 and P2181, and that was just a two months or so after replacing the timing belt and water pump. A non-Audi repair shop misdiagnosed the problem and replaced the low-pressure fuel sensor, which probably was unnecessary. Then I dove in and replaced the diverter valve, N80 Purge valve, PCV valve, spark plugs and ignition coils. With 100k miles on the odo, these were likely due for R&R anyway. But the engine continued to give me a very subtle hint something was wrong. Having done all these things, the only thing that remained was to look at the cam follower - which I was dreading for lack of tools and familiarity, and my fear of leaks leading to fire.

    Once I finally got over my fear of messing with the fuel system, the rest is history.

    In all it took the dealer 3 full days to complete the service. Fortunately the dealer had a coupon on their web site for free alternate transportation, so I had a 2015 Allroad Quattro as a loaner.

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    I wish 034 would make a roller follower for the fuel pump drive like H2Sport did. H2 came up with a great solution, but then seemingly disappeared from the face of the planet.


    http://www.h2salesandservice.com/Fue...6f-103-498.htm

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