When are we getting RS7 stage 2

[Ensoniq]

At this point, I might even consider switching tuning companies or even car models. I looked at R8 and lambo but need to lose some weight to make entry and exit less comical.

Love the RS7, love the sedan, but want to overcome the 1000 pound weight disadvantage

First world problem, I know, but as Friedman said "free to choose"

[Silverarrow240]

Oh blah blah :)... I'm 6'3 310. If I could afford a Lambo Huracan or R8, I don't care if they had to shoe horn or put butter on my ass to get me in it. I'd be on it like Sophia Vergara's Rack.

That being said... I completely understand your point. The RS7 is a 4 door supercar... And the sexiest/most practical on the planet (sorry Aston Rapide may look a tad better, but is WAY less practical).

Is Stage 1 really not enough???

[velodb]

Oh blah blah :)... I'm 6'3 310. If I could afford a Lambo Huracan or R8, I don't care if they had to shoe horn or put butter on my ass to get me in it. I'd be on it like Sophia Vergara's Rack.

That being said... I completely understand your point. The RS7 is a 4 door supercar... And the sexiest/most practical on the planet (sorry Aston Rapide may look a tad better, but is WAY less practical).

Is Stage 1 really not enough???

I believe HP is like money. I can never have too much.

[DrBeerMD]

Nope...........Stage 1 is never enough.

I asked Arin the other day this very question.............there wasn't much in the response that made me believe it was days or weeks away.......who knows though.
I just want something out by spring, I'm going on Gold Rush Rally and I want to put a hurtin on those with high 6 and 7 figure rides and do it WITH AN APR TUNED CAR!!!!!

I'm with you, may have to switch as well.

[eyeloveteeth]

Nope...........Stage 1 is never enough.

I asked Arin the other day this very question.............there wasn't much in the response that made me believe it was days or weeks away.......who knows though.
I just want something out by spring, I'm going on Gold Rush Rally and I want to put a hurtin on those with high 6 and 7 figure rides and do it WITH AN APR TUNED CAR!!!!!

I'm with you, may have to switch as well.

spend $160,000 on a GT-R + mods and keep the RS7.

[DrBeerMD]

I've had a GTR and it was a performance beast, but every time I got into into it felt like I was sitting in a cheap 350z and thats my big issue with it.

[MYAUDIS7]

I've spoke with APR several times. They are supposedly finalizing the Downpipes then get it on the dyno for tuning.

Looks like they are making cast DPs now . Here is a pic of the 2.0 DP.

[eyeloveteeth]

I've had a GTR and it was a performance beast, but every time I got into into it felt like I was sitting in a cheap 350z and thats my big issue with it.

it's relative right? I mean, AMS tune and you've purchased a stock RS7 but are beating stock supercars and even some lightly tuned ones.

I owned a DBA GT-R and year after year it's just gotten more and more refined. I recently sat in a white interior GT-R and it's really nice. Is it as nice as my S7? no, but it depends on your goal right?

just like you not being necessarily happy with RS7 ability - the truth is, maybe the 650S would've been a better fit.

After owning the modded GT-R, life happened, S7 is the perfect blend as a daily for me. Would i like a Panamera Executive model? sure, but i'm not spending $200k.


I have mad respect for all your RS7 owners, but the truth is, you buy the RS7 because you love it for what it is. If you're going all out and still wishing for more, then something else would've been better.


For me? I just want to be able to hit 0-60 within 3.8 seconds and still carry a dog with my wife.

[VeryBadman]

it's relative right? I mean, AMS tune and you've purchased a stock RS7 but are beating stock supercars and even some lightly tuned ones.

I owned a DBA GT-R and year after year it's just gotten more and more refined. I recently sat in a white interior GT-R and it's really nice. Is it as nice as my S7? no, but it depends on your goal right?

just like you not being necessarily happy with RS7 ability - the truth is, maybe the 650S would've been a better fit.

After owning the modded GT-R, life happened, S7 is the perfect blend as a daily for me. Would i like a Panamera Executive model? sure, but i'm not spending $200k.


I have mad respect for all your RS7 owners, but the truth is, you buy the RS7 because you love it for what it is. If you're going all out and still wishing for more, then something else would've been better.


For me? I just want to be able to hit 0-60 within 3.8 seconds and still carry a dog with my wife.

Well said, with $100K I can get something else that would kick ass on the track but RS7 is just perfect as street car that is what I'm looking for.

[nosirrahx]

"I have mad respect for all your RS7 owners, but the truth is, you buy the RS7 because you love it for what it is. If you're going all out and still wishing for more, then something else would've been better."

I don't agree with this. Personally I went with the RS7 partly because I could get more out of it and make it far better than a sock RS7, think of this as a double sleeper. Non-car guys don't know what the RS7 is capable of and car guys would not expect to see how from stock a tuned RS7 can go.

I had my list of mods picked out even before I bought my RS7. I don't regret the car or the mods but we have been waiting a really long time for stage 2. In the end this is less about being unhappy with the car and more about wanting to extract the full potential.

[Ensoniq]

"I have mad respect for all your RS7 owners, but the truth is, you buy the RS7 because you love it for what it is. If you're going all out and still wishing for more, then something else would've been better."

I don't agree with this. Personally I went with the RS7 partly because I could get more out of it and make it far better than a sock RS7, think of this as a double sleeper. Non-car guys don't know what the RS7 is capable of and car guys would not expect to see how from stock a tuned RS7 can go.

I had my list of mods picked out even before I bought my RS7. I don't regret the car or the mods but we have been waiting a really long time for stage 2. In the end this is less about being unhappy with the car and more about wanting to extract the full potential.

This is exactly my opinion. I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't found the APR site and saw the stage 1 graph,

I like the gtr's platform, potential, and the amount of upgrade options on the market but Its lacks the exotic feel. Its a great choice for an all out 1/2 mile car.

I really like the Entry level UGR R8 or the AMS r8 package. There's also a lot of UGR lam is on the market not moving but these seem to be too high powered for my purposes. Not looking to kill myself ;)

Maybe Arin or someone else from APR will stop by and give us some hope

[nosirrahx]

Personally I didn't go with the GTR because its kind of a crappy family car and really is not a luxury car. I wanted more of a best of all worlds car which the RS7 is.

[kouzman]

Great discussion, but the point here is what people expect to gain from a stage 2.

Let's say we do a full exhaust with catless downpipes for the hardcore ones and a tune to adjust for the additional flow. What would we expect? 50 awhp increase thus putting the car close to 700 awhp? less? more?

What I see as a potential improvement is the cooling. I am not sure what the intake temps are and how much they increase at the track. Or I am not sure if there is anything we can do with the car's charge cooler.

It will definitely be interesting to see... Can't wait to see a full luxurious 4 door sedan in the 9s with basically an intake/exhaust/tune setup!!!

...and people should also consider wheels and tires... Let's see a car with 19s if the fit or just 19s in the back with big fat drag radials, and less weight than the factory 21s!

[eyeloveteeth]

Great discussion, but the point here is what people expect to gain from a stage 2.

Let's say we do a full exhaust with catless downpipes for the hardcore ones and a tune to adjust for the additional flow. What would we expect? 50 awhp increase thus putting the car close to 700 awhp? less? more?

What I see as a potential improvement is the cooling. I am not sure what the intake temps are and how much they increase at the track. Or I am not sure if there is anything we can do with the car's charge cooler.

It will definitely be interesting to see... Can't wait to see a full luxurious 4 door sedan in the 9s with basically an intake/exhaust/tune setup!!!

...and people should also consider wheels and tires... Let's see a car with 19s if the fit or just 19s in the back with big fat drag radials, and less weight than the factory 21s!

Is there a dry sump system in the RS7? At this point stage 2 is more related to muscle car upgrades. What mods are being done to the Continental GT? Can that be mirrored?

[kouzman]

^

with enough money you can do everything. The question is if it makes sense...

A stage 2 package, meaning a full exhaust, intake and a correct tune could possibly make more power than just the tune... I would not expect something crazy since then intercooling and turbo flow can become an issue...

Nevertheless if the car can pick up another 20-40 awhp it might worth the cost and the extra noise...

As i said before, i think the tuned RS7s can do better with a proper/specific drag wheel/tire setup... The 21s are not the best performing setup out there....

[nosirrahx]

"As i said before, i think the tuned RS7s can do better with a proper/specific drag wheel/tire setup... The 21s are not the best performing setup out there.... "

It does and I already did. I went with P101s and 295 super sports. The change in handling is very noticeable and completely compensates for the stage 1 tune when it comes to eliminating wheel spin on launch.

"A stage 2 package, meaning a full exhaust, intake and a correct tune could possibly make more power than just the tune... I would not expect something crazy"

I just want to see it in action so I can make the call.

[Ensoniq]

15 replies and 565 views and I'm STILL, hoping for an APR comment

[CanuckRS]

would you rather have them tell you "2 weeks" ? :)

[Ensoniq]

would you rather have them tell you "2 weeks" ? :)

If it's true ;)

Why did someone tell you it was close

[nosirrahx]

would you rather have them tell you "2 weeks" ? :)

Personally I'd like to see some kind of rough roadmap and where they think they are on this roadmap.

There is a big gap between "we are in closed alpha testing currently but will be looking for select customers for private beta testing soon" and "we have shelved the 4.0t stage 2 project for now while we work on completing projects that effect far more potential customers".

Right now we have no idea what is going on and this is the issue. Anyone that paid for a 4.0t stage 1 tune handed over a LOT of $ to APR, we deserve a little info in return.

[CanuckRS]

Right now we have no idea what is going on and this is the issue. Anyone that paid for a 4.0t stage 1 tune handed over a LOT of $ to APR, we deserve a little info in return.[/QUOTE]

Really? Well buy someone else's product if you don't like them. Simple.

[VeryBadman]

Really? Well buy someone else's product if you don't like them. Simple.

RS7 owners paid premium for being RS7 owner to get an APR tune. Yes, it's possible that it's more difficult to come up with the tune for RS7 and the initial cost is higher but is it really 2 times higher than similar tune for the same engine platform in S6/7? In that sense yes, they may really deserve a better response from APR.

And with all the change of ownership and restructure going on with APR, it's not a surprise if they would shift focus on to the products that generate more income in smaller and older platforms. While APR can charge more to RS7 owners, the margin may not make up with the much smaller volume so the development for RS would come to stall and the release of stage 2 tune remains rumor at best at the moment.

[nosirrahx]

Really? Well buy someone else's product if you don't like them. Simple.

You say that as if it was off the table.

[Jango3434]

If it's true ;)

Why did someone tell you it was close

From what I heard 2 weeks seems about right...


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[z06psi]

would you rather have them tell you "2 weeks" ? :)

Hahahahhahahha


Good one.

[Sean@APR]

15 replies and 565 views and I'm STILL, hoping for an APR comment

We're trying very hard to be better community stewards and not announce products until they're ready to ship. In the past, talking too much about our plans run us into trouble.

With that said, I can say that there are lots of things in the works for the V8 cars. There's plenty more to go. I can't give specifics, but know that there are things being worked on right now.

[Sean@APR]

Rit's possible that it's more difficult to come up with the tune for RS7 and the initial cost is higher but is it really 2 times higher than similar tune for the same engine platform in S6/7?

Actually, the engines are quite different. The turbos are different, the bottom end is different, cooling, ignition, and airflow are all different. The RS7 was a complete ground up effort, borrowing very little from the other V8 software.

In talking about price, the cost of the vehicle and size of the market are the two biggest determining factors. There aren't many RS7s even world-wide to spread out the R/D cost.

S6/S7/A8 engines are all very close to the same and the S8 is similar. That's 3 identical models and 1 that is very close. Each of those models, by itself outsells the RS7. Combine the bigger market with the much lower entry cost of an S6/S7 to an RS7, and the pricing should be pretty clear.

[pmarin]

The APR tune is a great price for about 100hp. Cheaper than 991 turbo tune. Got latest revision, love it.

[Ensoniq]

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We're trying very hard to be better community stewards and not announce products until they're ready to ship. In the past, talking too much about our plans run us into trouble.

With that said, I can say that there are lots of things in the works for the V8 cars. There's plenty more to go. I can't give specifics, but know that there are things being worked on right now.

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

[HeelBuff]

Here's a recent letter from APR's CEO: http://www.goapr.com/news/wp-content...2/catalyst.pdf

Didn't know being a customer included involvement in such high drama. Wait... I can hear "Free Bird"!

[nosirrahx]

We're trying very hard to be better community stewards and not announce products until they're ready to ship. In the past, talking too much about our plans run us into trouble.

With that said, I can say that there are lots of things in the works for the V8 cars. There's plenty more to go. I can't give specifics, but know that there are things being worked on right now.

I am in the software industry so I totally get getting burned by making public an internal timeline and then having to change it.

There is a risk on the other side as well though. Too little info and nothing in the way of a broad timeline encourages potential customers to go elsewhere.

At this point we don't even know if stage 2 is in R&D, alpha testing or beta testing.

Something like "within 6 months we will need existing stage 1 customers to beta test our release candidate stage 2 setup, ping us with your contact info and will be in touch soon" would go a long way. If there is no way 6 months is a safe statement that is fine, just tell us.

[rcmas4]

I am in the software industry so I totally get getting burned by making public an internal timeline and then having to change it.

There is a risk on the other side as well though. Too little info and nothing in the way of a broad timeline encourages potential customers to go elsewhere.

At this point we don't even know if stage 2 is in R&D, alpha testing or beta testing.

Something like "within 6 months we will need existing stage 1 customers to beta test our release candidate stage 2 setup, ping us with your contact info and will be in touch soon" would go a long way. If there is no way 6 months is a safe statement that is fine, just tell us.

I could not agree more. Either way, APR WILL lose R/RS clients'; and I think they understand that. The mission is clear guys: APR has a clearcut business model as a result of restructuring! They will appeal to the mass market of Audi and VW owners. And essentially may focus on this for a very long time. Its sustainable and consistent, as well as a large audience. Thats ok but I'm not sticking around to speculate post Stage 1 on an RS7.

And I assume that AMS, GIAC, AWE Tuning, etc.. will pick up where APR left off. This is a great opportunity for AMS to step in. How about some DP's and upgraded turbos ? If there are any rumblings about cool mods for the RS7 coming soon, might check with AMS. But I cannot confirm; just hearing from GTR owners that AMS is developing cool products for the R8 and RS7.

[nosirrahx]

How about some DP's and upgraded turbos ?

Upgraded turbos and/or electric spool assist :)

[MYAUDIS7]

I've heard directly from AMS that they are working on DPs, bigger turbos and a cooler kit for the 4.0 .... Don't want to start rumors but that was over the phone a few weeks back.

[eyeloveteeth]

I've heard directly from AMS that they are working on DPs, bigger turbos and a cooler kit for the 4.0 .... Don't want to start rumors but that was over the phone a few weeks back.

time to switch? lol

[MYAUDIS7]

time to switch? lol

Well we will need a tune to go with these upgrades

[Ensoniq]

I've heard directly from AMS that they are working on DPs, bigger turbos and a cooler kit for the 4.0 .... Don't want to start rumors but that was over the phone a few weeks back.

That'll keep me in the platform

[MYAUDIS7]

That'll keep me in the platform

Yes sir! And AMS is a company that obviously makes some legit products!

Fastest GTR last year! 7.7 sec Quarter ... Happy to see those guys working on ours cars!

I see no reason why the RS7 can't get in the 9s and the s6/s7 in the 10s

[eyeloveteeth]

Yes sir! And AMS is a company that obviously makes some legit products!

Fastest GTR last year! 7.7 sec Quarter ... Happy to see those guys working on ours cars!

I see no reason why the RS7 can't get in the 9s and the s6/s7 in the 10s

agreed, AMS has really branched out over the years.

Although I have to admit the Switzer USE upgrade for the GT-R was pretty baller.

[MYAUDIS7]

Hopefully the pricing will not be that intense...

Pretty sure the DSG tranny will need some attention towards stage 3