Neuspeed power module? yes/no?

[TJ2101]

Hello everyone, ive been lurking this forum and finally signed up the other day.

Ive been wanting a little more power out of the 2.0 and was wondering if anyone has used neuspeed products, in particular this "power module" ?http://www.neuspeed.com/332/0/0/3111...er-module.html

[Das Ponto]

Never seen much for Nuespeed tuning, why not APR, REVO or one of the more common tuners for our cars?

[tekmo]

this looks like a nice "plug and play" option, with ability to remove if needed with no trace

[TJ2101]

I would really like to go with apr however I don't know if I want to lose my warranty. That's why I asked about this neuspeed company because its plug and play and supposedly doesn't flag the car.

[TJ2101]

this looks like a nice "plug and play" option, with ability to remove if needed with no trace

Exactly, it would be nice to keep my warranty in tact and get some more power at the same time

[ModdedEuros]

We have sold a ton of these power modules for the MK7 GTI, A3 and than a while back the gen 3 GLI version rolled out. This does not work with the S3 and is becoming a popular option to avoid the TD1. Will it get as high as results as a ecu tune...no. But this is def a great option for those worried about warranties and wanting to squeeze some extra power out of the car

http://www.moddedeuros.com/products/...odule-64-10-15

[Hspecialist]

Ok, I like this vs. "RACECHIPS" plug and play. So I want to be clear, the ecu won't dumb this down??? Very affordable and I'll buy this after clear bra install on bumper, hood, and fenders, $600 3m product this saturday.

Brian in Bakersfield...

[EmmanueleDesign]

One thing to keep in mind is that this is essentially only a boost controller.

[Jasso86]

One thing to keep in mind is that this is essentially only a boost controller.

Yup, it only raises 2-3 psi right?

[TJ2101]

One thing to keep in mind is that this is essentially only a boost controller.

So do you believe the 35hp gain neuspeed advertises or should we stay away from this

[EmmanueleDesign]

Yup, it only raises 2-3 psi right?

Well the module for the S3/Golf R isn't available yet, but I mean that the module is only controlling boost. It intercepts the MAP sensor to make the ECU believe the car is underboosting, and it thus forces the turbocharger to work harder and make the advertised boost increase. Normally, a piggyback would also intercept other sensors, such as the rail pressure, to make the system work together. Since this module only intercepts the MAP sensor, it relies on the wideband O2 sensor to realize that the ECU needs to inject more fuel. It just seems like an incomplete approach to me, but I can't say that I have much experience using this specific unit.

[BlackAudi87]

These are designed for each specific car now from what Neuspeed is telling me- Neuspeed is owned by a larger company that has been around and making chips for like 20 years. I think these do more then raise the PSI "now".. however I'm not 100% sure and still trying to work with them on a date for the S3 one. I have always had the best experience with GIAC tuning with the remote. So Smoooooth.

Neupseed I had on a 2004 1.8t and it was pretty jerky.

Well the module for the S3/Golf R isn't available yet, but I mean that the module is only controlling boost. It intercepts the MAP sensor to make the ECU believe the car is underboosting, and it thus forces the turbocharger to work harder and make the advertised boost increase. Normally, a piggyback would also intercept other sensors, such as the rail pressure, to make the system work together. Since this module only intercepts the MAP sensor, it relies on the wideband O2 sensor to realize that the ECU needs to inject more fuel. It just seems like an incomplete approach to me, but I can't say that I have much experience using this specific unit.

[EmmanueleDesign]

These are designed for each specific car now from what Neuspeed is telling me- Neuspeed is owned by a larger company that has been around and making chips for like 20 years. I think these do more then raise the PSI "now".. however I'm not 100% sure and still trying to work with them on a date for the S3 one. I have always had the best experience with GIAC tuning with the remote. So Smoooooth.

Neupseed I had on a 2004 1.8t and it was pretty jerky.

It says right on the product description:

It is a plug and play box that intercepts at the MAP and Boost sensors

Features:

Two position switch:

91+ Premium Fuel / 5 PSI Increase
100+ Octane Fuel / 7 PSI Increase

[ModdedEuros]

These do raise the boost and are another option than an ECU tune. Remember an ECU tune on any of these cars could put you in trouble with the warranty with TD1. This is why Neuspeed is doing well with the modules. Its another option to get a few extra horsepower out of the car while not voiding anything. This method of tuning is not new and has been done on various platforms for years. Just not going to get the maximum amount of horsepower out of a car.

[BlackAudi87]

yea i guess your right. this just makes me worry hearing it just raises the boost..\

It says right on the product description:

It is a plug and play box that intercepts at the MAP and Boost sensors

Features:

Two position switch:

91+ Premium Fuel / 5 PSI Increase
100+ Octane Fuel / 7 PSI Increase

[amd is the best]

emmanueledesign.com hating on piggy-back units yet again...

This looks like a great boost in performance for the price and stealthiness for TD1. There are several other systems like this and more in the works. Really looking forward to Burger Tuning's offering.

[BlackAudi87]

how can they be sure they are not ruining other parts of the car when all they are doing is tricking the ecu into putting out more boost - i don't see how the ride or acceleration won't be jerky? Really curious because I would like the piggy back for warranty reasons but, sounds like it would have a greater chance of actually causing issues to the engine or turbo over other tunes because of this? I don't want to go with this alternative just to find out it was why my engine is all jacked up

emmanueledesign.com hating on piggy-back units yet again...

This looks like a great boost in performance for the price and stealthiness for TD1. There are several other systems like this and more in the works. Really looking forward to Burger Tuning's offering.

[doofoo]

I think the DTUK S3 module does more, right?

[Hspecialist]

An ecu tune increases boost too. This piggy reminds me of the "diode mod" most used in the b6 a4 world. I had wished I would have done that vs. my APR stage 1+. The more I read and research my opinion is less is more with this platform. I just wonder how easy the boost sensor is seen and accessed, haven't looked for that while under the hood. Their site shows arm length and I can't remove the pan easily.

[FLtrooper]

An ecu tune increases boost too. This piggy reminds me of the "diode mod" most used in the b6 a4 world. I had wished I would have done that vs. my APR stage 1+. The more I read and research my opinion is less is more with this platform. I just wonder how easy the boost sensor is seen and accessed, haven't looked for that while under the hood. Their site shows arm length and I can't remove the pan easily.

It appears numerous MK7 golf users have had good luck with this unit. The mention needing to take off just the lower cover to access, most have stated it can be installed in minutes once you know what your looking for.

:)

[slvrb7]

you will only get flagged for td1 if you don't have your car flashed back to stock before taking to the dealer. Most of the bigger companies can easily flash your car back and then it's on the dealer to prove that you had been tuned. Refer to Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Also it's common sense if you're planning to take your car to the dealer for reasons that are not warranty issues, then modifying your car is not for you.

[BlackAudi87]

true that

you will only get flagged for td1 if you don't have your car flashed back to stock before taking to the dealer. Most of the bigger companies can easily flash your car back and then it's on the dealer to prove that you had been tuned. Refer to Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Also it's common sense if you're planning to take your car to the dealer for reasons that are not warranty issues, then modifying your car is not for you.

[mroberte]

I'm waiting on the Burger Motorsports Stage 1 PNP. $379 for I'm sure better results than Neuspeed. Expected more from the Neuspeed module. Considering I'm in California, and CARB is mandatory, this is the only option I can get imo.

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showth...t=5099&page=18

[ModdedEuros]

I'm waiting on the Burger Motorsports Stage 1 PNP. $379 for I'm sure better results than Neuspeed. Expected more from the Neuspeed module. Considering I'm in California, and CARB is mandatory, this is the only option I can get imo.

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showth...t=5099&page=18

The power module by Neuspeed in the near future should be labeled CARB exempt. Just waiting for it to get approved. Just thought I would mention that for those looking in the future

[BlackAudi87]

wow crazy you would think there biggest buyers are in Cali

[Spoonie]

Piggyback? Hell no

[slvrb7]

Lol I'm with spoonie.

[deadbolt]

silly question but, is it possible to use the Neuspeed Power Module with an APR tuned car?

[EdgarS3]

No, its not possible..

[ModdedEuros]

silly question but, is it possible to use the Neuspeed Power Module with an APR tuned car?

No you cannot

[zzimbile]

No you cannot

Any update on anyone using this? Interested in feedback

[MileMan402]

Let me preface this by saying I know very little about tune engineering. However, I'm under the impression that these ECU's run in closed loop most of the time, but what happens when they are in open loop? In open loop wouldn't it be bad to have modified MAF readings with a stock fuel table?

[zzimbile]

Let me preface this by saying I know very little about tune engineering. However, I'm under the impression that these ECU's run in closed loop most of the time, but what happens when they are in open loop? In open loop wouldn't it be bad to have modified MAF readings with a stock fuel table?

I think, in general, we can agree that piggy backs are not the world's best option. But there are loads of piggy backs that are safe and provide a happy medium for those who do not want to go through a full ECU remap. I know this will not be as good as an APR or flash tune, but it seems as if many people in the VW forum are running this power module with success. I wanted to see if anyone tried it out on our platform.

[m3brad]

Good thread

[S3Danny]

It says right on the product description:

It is a plug and play box that intercepts at the MAP and Boost sensors

Features:

Two position switch:

91+ Premium Fuel / 5 PSI Increase
100+ Octane Fuel / 7 PSI Increase

Wow, that is an unbelievably hack approach to "tuning" a car that I haven't seen done since my RX7 days. Piggybacks and any other device that does nothing but feed garbage data to the ECU are complete jokes, and a great way to blow up an engine. Any one who puts one of these on their $50,000 car because they don't want to lose their warranty is in for a rude awakening.

These do raise the boost and are another option than an ECU tune. Remember an ECU tune on any of these cars could put you in trouble with the warranty with TD1. This is why Neuspeed is doing well with the modules. Its another option to get a few extra horsepower out of the car while not voiding anything. This method of tuning is not new and has been done on various platforms for years. Just not going to get the maximum amount of horsepower out of a car.

No offense, but I would personally have a problem with supporting a vendor that pushes and sells such a hack product.

An ecu tune increases boost too. This piggy reminds me of the "diode mod" most used in the b6 a4 world. I had wished I would have done that vs. my APR stage 1+. The more I read and research my opinion is less is more with this platform. I just wonder how easy the boost sensor is seen and accessed, haven't looked for that while under the hood. Their site shows arm length and I can't remove the pan easily.

Yes an ECU flash increases boost, but also modifies all other parameters to accommodate the increase - target AFR, timing, IAT safe guards, etc.



Bottom line - you have to pay to play. If you're that afraid of getting flagged, don't tune your car. Taking a shortcut like installing this device will do more harm than good.

[ModdedEuros]

No offense, but I would personally have a problem with supporting a vendor that pushes and sells such a hack product.




Bottom line - you have to pay to play. If you're that afraid of getting flagged, don't tune your car. Taking a shortcut like installing this device will do more harm than good.

What specific harm you referring to? Its not a hack product as this type has been around for years. I know plenty of ecu flashed cars that have issues as well. Just a matter of what someone wants. Pros/cons just like every mod.

It's not as an aggressive of a boost increase as an ECU tune which is why it works within safe parameters as the car adjusts. Since you reference RX7 days, I will chime in on old school approaches as I still also own a bigger twin turbo VR4. MBC's were run for a long time within certain parameters before you need to adjust other things before they even figured out how to flash some of the years of the ECU's. Than those that who can't flash and wanted more gains just ran SAFC2's, EBC's and even palm pilots to data log

[S3Danny]

Feeding garbage data to the ECU in order to alter its output rather than properly remapping the flash is an unacceptable "tuning" method in 2015 for a brand new car, IMO.

[will13k7]

will your car will be like this all the time with a piggyback:

"oh crap, I'm running lean again, better add more fuel"
"oh crap, I'm knocking, better pull timing and/or boost"
"wait, pulling boost isn't working, wtf, pull more timing stat!"

lol.

[ModdedEuros]

Feeding garbage data to the ECU in order to alter its output rather than properly remapping the flash is an unacceptable "tuning" method in 2015 for a brand new car, IMO.

Understand and don't expect everyone to want to do various mods. If everyone did the same thing, everyone would drive the same car.

Just was curious what specific hardware of the car you are referring to that is/are going to have direct harm from this vs that would not be stressed under an ECU flash.

None the less its been tested and runs on bunch of cars. Including one of our daily driven S3's which we just dyno'd.




Side note - When you sell the RX7? Whatcha end up doing to it? LS swap? Or go the big single route?

[drob23]

The 335i N54/N55 guys are all about piggybacks (jb4). I think even Dinan released a piggyback because they couldn't break the N55 encryption.