"APR - Deception, Coverups, and Lies"

[B7OrangeA4]

Another Vote to move it back. This is now too hidden. A4 Guys have a thread going as well right now.

They moved it to chatterbox too and made a similar thread in the main

[RavinJetta]

Another Vote to move it back. This is now too hidden. A4 Guys have a thread going as well right now.

Move it back where it belongs

[nurdynerd]

+1 Move it back even though im a visitor from the A4 Section, this thread is better. .

[S4 00 2.7]

There was no reason to move this to the chatterbox section.

Mods, please move back to main section as this thread contains pictures of the B8 S4 system.

[4RingRook]

There was no reason to move this to the chatterbox section.

Mods, please move back to main section as this thread contains pictures of the B8 S4 system.

This.

[Race Shooter]

There was no reason to move this to the chatterbox section.

Mods, please move back to main section as this thread contains pictures of the B8 S4 system.

+1

Should be where everyone can see it.

[pdxa4]

There was no reason to move this to the chatterbox section.

Mods, please move back to main section as this thread contains pictures of the B8 S4 system.

I agree, it should be visible to all.

[drob23]

Agree with everyone here.

[Amorphic]

Another vote. Come on mods, move it back where it should be. This is important.

[a4huey09]

Please show some integrity and to move it back where it belongs.

[13ttaz]

Respectfully Audizine moderators, there exists no proper basis for burying this informative thread. Please do your current and future forum members the courtesy of returning this thread to the general "B8 S4" forum.

[CloseEncounters]

Wow!!! Been following this thread and was shocked to see it got moved with no explanation. I AM a longtime APR customer but this latest action has certainly given me reason to pause. I believe most of the posts gave APR ample time to respond to the issue and I believe they fell short when they did. They still have a chance to redeem themselves by tackling this head on ...hopefully they do. Don't get defensive, maybe just be contrite as we all screwup occasionally.

The least the moderators could have done was to give us some logic behind the reason for moving the thread...really sad. I vote with the others that this thread be moved back to the page it deserves to be on not hidden away. Mods...Moving the thread only hurts APR from our pont of view and not help them if this was the logic . It also only makes it harder for them to redeem themselves in the eyes of Their many longtime customers.

[Arin@APR]

I believe most of the posts gave APR ample time to respond to the issue and I believe they fell short when they did.

We do want everyone to know we are taking your concerns seriously and are looking to get a better response to the questions being asked. Please understand we're working with the appropriate parties to ensure this happens and are not intentionally delaying the response.

Some may have missed some of our discussion points earlier in this thread, so if that's the case, please read the statement below:

All of the exhaust systems we sell with "RSC" in the name are manufactured by Corsa and do contain RSC technology. We've confirmed this information with Corsa again due to all the recent claims otherwise. RSC technology is designed to eliminate unwanted frequencies, considered "drone," and our customers can attest to this being true. The greatest concern being discussed is related to the appearance of the RSC technology. Corsa has explained RSC technology will vary in appearance from system to system, depending on the frequencies that need removed, and other things like packaging constraints. Some vehicle applications must use large and heavy RSC technology, while other systems have the luxury of using smaller, lighter RSC technology. In each case the end goal is to remove drone, and thus far, that's the case.

Thank you,

-Arin

[crew219]

We do want everyone to know we are taking your concerns seriously and are looking to get a better response to the questions being asked. Please understand we're working with the appropriate parties to ensure this happens and are not intentionally delaying the response.

Some may have missed some of our discussion points earlier in this thread, so if that's the case, please read the statement below:


Thank you,

-Arin

The issues I see with you coming up with an explanation are:

1) APR knew about this for years and have indicated that Corsa designs these exhausts in conjunction with APR
2) APR requested a material change from 304L to 400 stainless
3) APR took those photos and provided them to me
4) Corsa has dropped APR and the exhaust inventory left in your possession is "APR's problem"
5) Numerous contradictory statements by both Arin & Sean@APR
6) How can you explain customers waiting for months for RMA replacements / being rejected when APR has inventory of the exhaust?
7) APR's immediate plan being to clear out these Corsa exhausts in preparation for the outsourced exhausts provided by a certain employee which I introduced to APR.
8) Distributors are unhappy due to the deception surrounding the exhausts in addition to the new distribution policies which require higher minimum order quantities (offloading these exhausts onto distributors)

Keep in mind that I have numerous conversations in my possession with APR employees ridiculing the Corsa product which I will not hesitate to release in the event that your official "response" is contrary to the truth.

How are those superchargers coming along?

Dave

[Anthony]

Wow!!! Been following this thread and was shocked to see it got moved with no explanation. I AM a longtime APR customer but this latest action has certainly given me reason to pause. I believe most of the posts gave APR ample time to respond to the issue and I believe they fell short when they did. They still have a chance to redeem themselves by tackling this head on ...hopefully they do. Don't get defensive, maybe just be contrite as we all screwup occasionally.

The least the moderators could have done was to give us some logic behind the reason for moving the thread...really sad. I vote with the others that this thread be moved back to the page it deserves to be on not hidden away. Mods...Moving the thread only hurts APR from our pont of view and not help them if this was the logic . It also only makes it harder for them to redeem themselves in the eyes of Their many longtime customers.

When this thread was moved last night, it contained no photos or really any relevant to discussion of anything B8 S4 related. Since then, that has changed, and I've decided to move it back.

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

[oascom]

When this thread was moved last night, it contained no photos or really any relevant to discussion of anything B8 S4 related. Since then, that has changed, and I've decided to move it back.

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

thanks for moving it back.

[jl87]

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

I think we can all appreciate this.

[mr shickadance]

When this thread was moved last night, it contained no photos or really any relevant to discussion of anything B8 S4 related. Since then, that has changed, and I've decided to move it back.

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

Fwiw for everyone jumping down the admins throat should seriously reread the forum rules.

It's been no secret that you can't link to other forums that's why the links likely got removed. This goes back as far as I can remember and while a few links sometimes make it through understand the mods are human beings.

And when it got moved it really did belong in the chatterbox as it had everything with other cars not s4s. There are threads moved everyday and while it's never this serious ( because this is some shit!) it's usually moved with good reason.

I understand everyone is really mad at apr but try not to take it out on the mods they do a thankless job and shouldn't get the brunt of it.

[ENV²]

When this thread was moved last night, it contained no photos or really any relevant to discussion of anything B8 S4 related. Since then, that has changed, and I've decided to move it back.

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

Thank you Anthony

[S4 00 2.7]

When this thread was moved last night, it contained no photos or really any relevant to discussion of anything B8 S4 related. Since then, that has changed, and I've decided to move it back.

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

Thank you, Anyhony. I think the majority of those on AZ are reasonable people and agree it was right to put this thread back.

+1 respect

[CloseEncounters]

When this thread was moved last night, it contained no photos or really any relevant to discussion of anything B8 S4 related. Since then, that has changed, and I've decided to move it back.

I've also been in discussion with both Sean and Arin at APR, trying to personally get to the bottom of all this.

Will be taking further action as necessary once all the facts are in.

Anthony I applaud you for reconsidering and moving the thread back to the main page. I am also pleased to hear that you have been talking to the folks at APR. This may be a wake-up call for them and also may hopefully help them into becoming not just a better company but a great company...I have always been a optimist before I have reason to be a pessimist. We enthusiasts NEED companies like APR out there and though it appears that they may have lost their way the past few years this may the best opportunity they have to get back on track. I will keep monitoring this thread.

[cory_can]

Admins, I would say that the people have spoken overwhelmingly in favour of it being moved back. If APR hasn't had a say in burying the details (as you have suggested), it should really be moved back. Also, what's the thinking behind auto-blocking audirevolution URLs, there doesn't appear to be any rationale.

[audistealth]

Consider PMing Anthony if the mods won't do it. Also, who logged in as the nameless Admin to move this?

[cory_can]

Consider PMing Anthony if the mods won't do it. Also, who logged in as the nameless Admin to move this?

Who do you think?

[audistealth]

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Good I hope I have your attention now.

Let's be honest. 99% of us here, we know apr is selling something improperly advertised. We learned. But this thread is chatterboxed. Everyone who isn't signed into Audizine, doesn't have an account, or hasn't been on Audizine long enough to earn the next ranking, won't see this. And while all of us get it, we are a very small group, this should be public information to everyone without needing prerequisites to read.


Now Audizine has both voided the audirevolution links and hidden this thread in the chatterbox, I think it's time we start sending out pm's to the admin account and inform the moderator and owners that hiding this is not ok, that it should be public information. There should be nothing to hide.

Before this discussion continues, let's make an effort to get this returned to the main section of the b8s4 forum.

Also, restore the external links.

[audistealth]

Who do you think?

I honestly don't know. I thought Anthony was the only admin.

[theedge111]

Another vote that this thread should 100% be in the main B8 S4 Forum and not hidden in the chatterbox!

[F40LM]

Should not be hidden. Vote #1 zillion

[paul]

High five Dave!

[USAFS4]

Returned to the appropriate forum for all to see. So that the consumer may decide for themselves what to think. Win one for free speech.

As to this thread. I have APR products that have worked out great (B5 & B8 tunes). However, I must admit that there is plenty of evidence that APR went off the rails a bit as a company over the past couple of years. IMHO I would think new management would be wise to come clean as best they can legally about any prior transgressions. However that has not appeared to have happened. Perhaps it would be best for APR to break apart, and separate successful product lines from failed ones, but maybe it is too late for that.

[drob23]

Respect for doing the right thing here.

[Amorphic]

Respect for doing the right thing here.

Totally. +1

[oascom]

im voting to move it back.

[dirtydub]

Respect for doing the right thing here.

Much respect on doing the right thing for previous and/or future customers!

[jdmnomore]

I remember when I purchased my b6 S4 back in 08 APR seemed like one of they only viable options for aftermarket performance upgrades.
As I researched and patiently waited a new company emerged and as they tested and released products one by one, competitor products such as APRs quickly became obsolete and now you cant pay someone to purchase an APR product on a b6/b7 S4. I thought it was isolated as the APR SC seemed promising but low and behold. I am really surprised by this and hope for APRs sake that this isnt as bad as it looks.

[2.0T_A3]

I am voting for APR to stop lying and just go ahead and close down the business and sell off the equipment when they still have a chance!

[SpfldS4]

So what recourse do we as consumers have? We have shelled out close to $3k on a product that does not have the tech advertised and have experienced issues with build quality, rattles, leaks, failed baffles etc. Not to mention service fees to try an repair all of these issues. I'm sure this group consists of some legal professionals.

I think it's time to move forward onto the next phase as the aggregated evidence clearly shows that numerous consumers did not get the advertised product or have experienced common issues and does not meet the expectations of the consumer. Whether the liability falls with the manufacturer or re-seller that is between APR, Corsa and a court to decide product liability. This is complicated as we have possible experienced design defects, manufacturing defects and/or marketing defects.

I don't have enough knowledge in this area and am asking our community and network here to chime in with the appropriate next actions.

[Spike00513]

So what recourse do we as consumers have? We have shelled out close to $3k

I bet $10 it's none. Just like with Stasis.

[drob23]

I bet $10 it's none. Just like with Stasis.

Not really the same thing...since Stasis went straight out of business.

[mr shickadance]

So what recourse do we as consumers have? We have shelled out close to $3k on a product that does not have the tech advertised and have experienced issues with build quality, rattles, leaks, failed baffles etc. Not to mention service fees to try an repair all of these issues. I'm sure this group consists of some legal professionals.

I think it's time to move forward onto the next phase as the aggregated evidence clearly shows that numerous consumers did not get the advertised product or have experienced common issues and does not meet the expectations of the consumer. Whether the liability falls with the manufacturer or re-seller that is between APR, Corsa and a court to decide product liability. This is complicated as we have possible experienced design defects, manufacturing defects and/or marketing defects.

I don't have enough knowledge in this area and am asking our community and network here to chime in with the appropriate next actions.

the short answer is : none

I mean even if you did secure down a lawyer or a group of lawyers (which is a stretch) AND got a judgement against APR (which is more of a stretch) you still need to collect the money. Just because you have a judge saying you are owed, collecting is still going to be hard, especially with a company that is rumored to be circling the drain.

The best course of action would be to email various high traffic auto blogs and hope one of them bites. The more people that know about the true colors of APR the better. I am sure anyone who spends 3 minutes reading through the information would make up their mind and seek a different product from a different vendor, That would be the best course of action hands down as you simply can't function when you have no customers anymore.

the sting of a bankruptcy would hurt a lot more for them than anything else.