"APR - Deception, Coverups, and Lies"

[kandrei]

I bought a Breville juice fountain (a juicer) and it had a one year warranty. During that one year period it broke twice, two separate issues, and Breville provided a brand new replacement with no questions and no cost. They even paid for shipping both ways for the new and broken pieces.

APR just has a shifty business model that does not car about its customers or its products. They care about making money over anything else.

[Bruno_Rosada]

companies should stand by their products end of story.

This should be rule #1 for any company trying to be successful, and it's still shocking how many business models do not have this as their number 1 priority.

A company is only as good as the products it makes.

[seanj130]

I think what you meant to say was...


A company is only as good as the products they stamp their name on...

A company is only as good as the products it makes.

[crew219]

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89660

Recently, I was afforded the opportunity to tour the Corsa facility and meet with the sound engineer, sales manager, and marketing manager. These are my own observations. I was not given any marketing BS to regurgitate.

Key points:

1) These are stand up guys. Corsa's facility is state of the art and no expense is spared in the pursuit of quality and perfection.

2) Corsa has a variety of patents for tuning exhausts and eliminating drone. Some of these are sexy looking, some are not. One or more of these elements is used depending on the application and packaging restraints.

3) APR hired Corsa to manufacture a variety of exhausts for multiple VAG platforms. Corsa designed the exhausts according to APR's specification.

4) Material quality downgrade debacle: APR wanted to make more margin on the exhausts. Corsa did not have any more margin left to give and still be a viable business partnership. APR decided to downgrade the material to make their desired margins.

[TechnoCat]

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89660

Why did you revive this zombie?

Don't get me wrong... I had AMD work on my car with non-APR parts, because APR's numbers are sketchy beyond any reason... things like comparing stock on 91 octane to five upgrades plus 93 octane, and crediting the full gains to each part. They may make decent stuff, no opinion there, but their marketing smacks of heroin-addicted street walker. But it's uncool to reopen old threads. Especially since now I'm having flashbacks to the 80s. Heroin kept them thin.

[NguyenerA4]

Wish I would've read this before ever getting a stage 1 from Apr. I had the replace the motor only 3 months after getting chipped. Will never own another Apr product, any Apr people see this if I have a problem with your product I want to speak to a real rep that can actually help and not have to email support and wait for replies.

[cspcrx]

No offense but with all the people on here, including me, running APR tunes your going to be hard pressed to get people to buy that an APR stage 1 tune blew your motor. People are pushing this motor well beyond stage 1 now with dual pulleys!

What proof do you have?

[whiped]

I think it is more, APR was the straw that broke the camels back.

Sorry about your engine, tuning is a gamble and you blew it.

[14S4GWM]

^ Is that pun you threw in there?

[NguyenerA4]

[QUOTE=cspcrx;11935030]No offense but with all the people on here, including me, running APR tunes your going to be hard pressed to get people to buy that an APR stage 1 tune blew your motor. People are pushing this motor well beyond stage 1 now with dual pulleys!

I guess I don't have any hard proof. My car only had 60k miles I had stage 1 for about 3-4K miles. To me it's pretty rare to replace a motor at 60k. Maybe it's not the main cause maybe it was the last straw.

[whiped]

^ Is that pun you threw in there?

Busted.

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No offense but with all the people on here, including me, running APR tunes your going to be hard pressed to get people to buy that an APR stage 1 tune blew your motor. People are pushing this motor well beyond stage 1 now with dual pulleys!

I guess I don't have any hard proof. My car only had 60k miles I had stage 1 for about 3-4K miles. To me it's pretty rare to replace a motor at 60k. Maybe it's not the main cause maybe it was the last straw.

What happened to your engine? Any information?

[NguyenerA4]

I think it is more, APR was the straw that broke the camels back.

Sorry about your engine, tuning is a gamble and you blew it.

Bright side, Audi replace under warranty since when the adjuster from AOA came and the advisor and tech had my back and say it fully stock. The adjuster thought I ran Nos to have blown it this early.

[whiped]

Bright side, Audi replace under warranty since when the adjuster from AOA came and the advisor and tech had my back and say it fully stock. The adjuster thought I ran Nos to have blown it this early.

Run APR when you get your new engine back. You won't be disappointed.

Their marketing is questionable but the gains are real.

[NguyenerA4]

Busted.

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What happened to your engine? Any information?

I was driving one morning CEL and EPC came on, car went into limp mode. Car shake violently, it was misfiring in cylinder 1 and 3. Replace new plugs and packs. Still misfiring and still in limp mode, so I took it to Audi to diagonse turns out to be no compression in cylinder 1 and need new engine. I can always put it back on but would I, hell no. 10k was the price for a new engine. It's good that it some ppl has tuned engine and nothing happen but there are also ppl on here who went thru what I went thru. Hope it doesn't happen to those who are Apr tuned or it hasn't happen yet. I got lucky some may not be lucky. Pays to play.

[audistealth]

I was driving one morning CEL and EPC came on, car went into limp mode. Car shake violently, it was misfiring in cylinder 1 and 3. Replace new plugs and packs. Still misfiring and still in limp mode, so I took it to Audi to diagonse turns out to be no compression in cylinder 1 and need new engine. I can always put it back on but would I, hell no. 10k was the price for a new engine. It's good that it some ppl has tuned engine and nothing happen but there are also ppl on here who went thru what I went thru. Hope it doesn't happen to those who are Apr tuned or it hasn't happen yet. I got lucky some may not be lucky. Pays to play.

Are you keeping the old one and building it?

[Stubek]

[QUOTE=NguyenerA4;11935045]

No offense but with all the people on here, including me, running APR tunes your going to be hard pressed to get people to buy that an APR stage 1 tune blew your motor. People are pushing this motor well beyond stage 1 now with dual pulleys!

I guess I don't have any hard proof. My car only had 60k miles I had stage 1 for about 3-4K miles. To me it's pretty rare to replace a motor at 60k. Maybe it's not the main cause maybe it was the last straw.

I put an APR stage 1 tune on my car at 500 miles then stage 2 at 10k miles. Now I have 49k miles and more than 5 years and never an issue. What were your symptoms?

[NguyenerA4]

Are you keeping the old one and building it?

If you mean keeping the engine and build then no, Audi has my old motor now. I'm just glad I came out with just paying a 200 deductible.

[NguyenerA4]

[QUOTE=Stubek;11935188]

I put an APR stage 1 tune on my car at 500 miles then stage 2 at 10k miles. Now I have 49k miles and more than 5 years and never an issue. What were your symptoms?

CEL/EPC, car shakes violently, changed new plugs and packs, misfires in cylinder 1 and 3. On the invoice it says engine 1=5psi 2-4=170psi. Removed head no valve damage. Removed oil pan, piston ring land and piston pieces found in oil pickup oil pump and upper pan, removed piston 1, found ring broken and grooves in cyl wall.

[rgvsq5]

I've had APR Stage 2+ on my SQ5 since I hit 500 miles. I know have 23k miles on my car and have not had a single issue since day one.

I will also be jumping on Stage 3 once it gets released.

[bhvrdr]

Wish I would've read this before ever getting a stage 1 from Apr. I had the replace the motor only 3 months after getting chipped. Will never own another Apr product, any Apr people see this if I have a problem with your product I want to speak to a real rep that can actually help and not have to email support and wait for replies.

Do you have an A4?

Bumping an old thread. My car is 2012 B8 A4 with 60k miles (out of warranty) just got apr stage 1 maybe 5k ago. Drove car this morning CEL came on flashing then solid then flashing after a while the EPC light comes on and anytime I acceralte the car shakes badly like really bad. Had an oil change by Audi 6 days ago before then car was fine. Pull up code p0301 misfire cylinder 1. Not really a handy guy. But I got a letter from Audi in January 2015 about warranty extension for fuel injectors I may believe mine is a fuel injector problem bc sometime when I gunned it I hear a little clicking noise from the motor. I wanna take it to Audi to get it fix but my question is if I flash it back to stock mode and take it to Audi can they still flag TD1 or bring it to stock it will be undetectable on the paper it says any "chipped" ecms will not be approved by Audi? They sent the letter January 2015 I got chipped June 2016 would that be a valid point that it was a faulty fuel injector notice long before I got tuned and that they should honor it?

Its unfortunate but the 2.0TFSI engines had a lot of issues with piston rings. I know my engine was shot in my 2009 A4 without being tuned. If you look up the class action lawsuit it claims 126,000 engines were potentially running crap pistons/rings.

http://www.dailyreportingsuite.com/p...e_class_action


You also mentioned they found a bad fuel injector before you were chipped and this may have been the cause. You mentioned your car was out of warranty. Did they cover you under "goodwill" or because they admitted to a bad fuel injector prior to the tune? Just curious. It also seems like you were aware that you may lose your warranty as per your post above that states Audi even sent you a letter stating such. Not trying to be harsh but if you install a performance enhancing modification, it would be reasonable to assume a drivetrain item may not be covered. Im really surprised yours was actually but it sounds like it was a good thing you had a documented bad injector prior to the tune.

Mike

[withENEMYin]

If you mean keeping the engine and build then no, Audi has my old motor now. I'm just glad I came out with just paying a 200 deductible.

Umm, what dealer? I will buy the stock blower. ...

[14S4GWM]

Umm, what dealer? I will buy the stock blower. ...

Its an A4

[cspcrx]

Don't think APR caused your piston ring to fail, was weak was going to fail eventually. Sucks you got a bad part from Audi, just not fair to blame APR.

Glad to hear Audi did the right thing and got you a new motor as it was their failure.

[NguyenerA4]

Do you have an A4?




Its unfortunate but the 2.0TFSI engines had a lot of issues with piston rings. I know my engine was shot in my 2009 A4 without being tuned. If you look up the class action lawsuit it claims 126,000 engines were potentially running crap pistons/rings.

http://www.dailyreportingsuite.com/p...e_class_action


You also mentioned they found a bad fuel injector before you were chipped and this may have been the cause. You mentioned your car was out of warranty. Did they cover you under "goodwill" or because they admitted to a bad fuel injector prior to the tune? Just curious. It also seems like you were aware that you may lose your warranty as per your post above that states Audi even sent you a letter stating such. Not trying to be harsh but if you install a performance enhancing modification, it would be reasonable to assume a drivetrain item may not be covered. Im really surprised yours was actually but it sounds like it was a good thing you had a documented bad injector prior to the tune.

Mike

They covered under the drivetrain warranty. I chipped my around 56-57k miles I figured I was out of warranty and was aware of it. It's just mind blowing to me that a 2012 with 60k needing a new motor. It turns out it wasn't the fuel injectors. Like I stated, apr was maybe the last straw and if I would tuned it again, no.

[F16HTON]

They covered under the drivetrain warranty. I chipped my around 56-57k miles I figured I was out of warranty and was aware of it. It's just mind blowing to me that a 2012 with 60k needing a new motor. It turns out it wasn't the fuel injectors. Like I stated, apr was maybe the last straw and if I would tuned it again, no.

What is mind blowing about it? Every single generation of VW/Audi 4 cylinder engines since 2001 have had a systemic issue which has caused premature failure.

2001-2005 A4 1.8T oil sludge
2005-2008 A4 2.0 TFSI faulty high pressure fuel pump design, camshaft failures
2008-2014 A4 2.0 TSI faulty pistons (oil consumption) and faulty fuel injectors which stick open (cracked rings).

Nobody will ever know for certain what caused the damage, but the probability is very high that a fuel injector was stuck open, excessive fuel was being compressed, piston ring cracked due to the pressure (hydrolock).

It is not very likely that the tune would cause the issue that you described.