"APR - Deception, Coverups, and Lies"

[LINDW4LL]

Some more info has been posted on AR.

F comment, presumably coming from an APR employee.




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[AQuattro]

I meant it saying they contract the work to them. Not sub-standard. APR being the first tier, Corsa being the second tier....

Got it, that makes more sense, my mistake.

[LINDW4LL]

APR contacting Corsa after this thread broke out and having them change their RSC webpage is all the proof anyone should need to realize that APR has no integrity whatsoever and has known about this all along.




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[Arin@APR]

We reached out to the team at CORSA and they have provided this additional information:

"CORSA Performance Exhaust had been producing some exhaust systems for APR for the past several years. In that time, we worked with APR to manufacture exhaust systems that featured our proprietary RSC® Technology to eliminate drone, as well as deliver to the acoustic, design and material specifications of APR. In every case where a system featured RSC® Technology, it was designed, utilizing one of the various patented and trade secret methods we have developed to reflect sound waves out of phase, thus eliminating specific drone causing frequencies. Each vehicle application is different and produces different frequencies that cause drone. CORSA Performance goes to great lengths to find those frequencies, and use one, or several, of our tools to cancel those frequencies through reflection. RSC® Technology is not a one-size fits all technology, but a specific design, engineered as a system for a specific vehicle.

In all cases where we produced exhaust systems for APR we utilized various methods, some seen in our several patents and others that are proprietary, to develop systems, not just mufflers, to eliminate the resonance and still craft a sound profile that was targeted for the car. We are committed first and foremost to eliminating the drone in vehicles and believe we have accomplished that on every APR exhaust system we produced featuring an RSC® Technology. I would invite you to explore our recently completely re-designed and updated website (www.corsaperformance.com) to see our story (http://www.corsaperformance.com/OurStory.aspx), and recently updated RSC® diagrams (http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...xhaustRsc.aspx) showing more than one way we eliminate specific frequencies that cause drone. If you have additional questions about the technology, please contact us at [email protected] or 1-800-486-0999.

Best Regards,
The CORSA Performance Team"

[LINDW4LL]

Arin, do you think you are going to convince all of us (your customers) that APR is right and we are all wrong?

Take the hint man. You're just digging a deeper hole with every post.






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[crew219]

We reached out to the team at CORSA and they have provided this additional information:

"CORSA Performance Exhaust had been producing some exhaust systems for APR for the past several years. In that time, we worked with APR to manufacture exhaust systems that featured our proprietary RSC® Technology to eliminate drone, as well as deliver to the acoustic, design and material specifications of APR. In every case where a system featured RSC® Technology, it was designed, utilizing one of the various patented and trade secret methods we have developed to reflect sound waves out of phase, thus eliminating specific drone causing frequencies. Each vehicle application is different and produces different frequencies that cause drone. CORSA Performance goes to great lengths to find those frequencies, and use one, or several, of our tools to cancel those frequencies through reflection. RSC® Technology is not a one-size fits all technology, but a specific design, engineered as a system for a specific vehicle.

In all cases where we produced exhaust systems for APR we utilized various methods, some seen in our several patents and others that are proprietary, to develop systems, not just mufflers, to eliminate the resonance and still craft a sound profile that was targeted for the car. We are committed first and foremost to eliminating the drone in vehicles and believe we have accomplished that on every APR exhaust system we produced featuring an RSC® Technology. I would invite you to explore our recently completely re-designed and updated website (www.corsaperformance.com) to see our story (http://www.corsaperformance.com/OurStory.aspx), and recently updated RSC® diagrams (http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...xhaustRsc.aspx) showing more than one way we eliminate specific frequencies that cause drone. If you have additional questions about the technology, please contact us at [email protected] or 1-800-486-0999.

Best Regards,
The CORSA Performance Team"

Thanks for the feedback Corsa!

[d.p]

Its funny that just because the exhaust doesn't drone it is somehow supposed to negate all the bullshit APR spewed and posted about regarding these exhausts. Not to mention the price they charged for said RSC drone reducing NASA developed tech.

[SteveYem]

It still doesn't add up, though. Consumers aren't just paying for an end result, they are paying for every aspect of the product. If they purchased it under the premise that it contained the same technology that was advertised in cutaway view within your Company's marketing literature, then that's what they should receive for their money spent.

What if, on a whim, Corsa/APR discovered that filling a muffler casing with 4 lbs of human feces yielded the same sound-canceling properties as the patented RSC technology? Under your business model you could sell that product as being RSC technology simply because it has the same end, yet different means. I suppose this would be one of the "trade secret" approaches as opposed to the patented ones?

[d.p]

It still doesn't add up, though. Consumers aren't just paying for an end result, they are paying for every aspect of the product. If they purchased it under the premise that it contained the same technology that was advertised in cutaway view within your Company's marketing literature, then that's what they should receive for their money spent.

What if, on a whim, Corsa/APR discovered that filling a muffler casing with 4 lbs of human feces yielded the same sound-canceling properties as the patented RSC technology? Under your business model you could sell that product as being RSC technology simply because it has the same end, yet different means. I suppose this would be one of the "trade secret" approaches as opposed to the patented ones?

Its painfully obvious that in APR/CORSA's mind the answer is yes.

[Joker S4]

I'm left speechless after that response from APR.

Convenient however that the website is now redesigned and updated.

[RainJer]

What if, on a whim, Corsa/APR discovered that filling a muffler casing with 4 lbs of human feces yielded the same sound-canceling properties as the patented RSC technology?

IIRC, that known as a fart-can exhaust

[SteveYem]

IIRC, that known as a fart-can exhaust

"Dude, your car smells like shit!"
"Yeah bro, but it don't sound like it!"

[cory_can]

It still doesn't add up, though. Consumers aren't just paying for an end result, they are paying for every aspect of the product. If they purchased it under the premise that it contained the same technology that was advertised in cutaway view within your Company's marketing literature, then that's what they should receive for their money spent.

What if, on a whim, Corsa/APR discovered that filling a muffler casing with 4 lbs of human feces yielded the same sound-canceling properties as the patented RSC technology? Under your business model you could sell that product as being RSC technology simply because it has the same end, yet different means. I suppose this would be one of the "trade secret" approaches as opposed to the patented ones?

4 lbs of human shit is perfectly acceptable as "RSC" since it eliminates drone and could be considered a trade secret.

[Stereodude]

I'm left speechless after that response from APR.

Convenient however that the website is now redesigned and updated.

C'mon now. That update has been in the works for at least two weeks!

[hyperunion]

We reached out to the team at CORSA and they have provided this additional information:

"CORSA Performance Exhaust had been producing some exhaust systems for APR for the past several years. In that time, we worked with APR to manufacture exhaust systems that featured our proprietary RSC® Technology to eliminate drone, as well as deliver to the acoustic, design and material specifications of APR. In every case where a system featured RSC® Technology, it was designed, utilizing one of the various patented and trade secret methods we have developed to reflect sound waves out of phase, thus eliminating specific drone causing frequencies. Each vehicle application is different and produces different frequencies that cause drone. CORSA Performance goes to great lengths to find those frequencies, and use one, or several, of our tools to cancel those frequencies through reflection. RSC® Technology is not a one-size fits all technology, but a specific design, engineered as a system for a specific vehicle.

In all cases where we produced exhaust systems for APR we utilized various methods, some seen in our several patents and others that are proprietary, to develop systems, not just mufflers, to eliminate the resonance and still craft a sound profile that was targeted for the car. We are committed first and foremost to eliminating the drone in vehicles and believe we have accomplished that on every APR exhaust system we produced featuring an RSC® Technology. I would invite you to explore our recently completely re-designed and updated website (www.corsaperformance.com) to see our story (http://www.corsaperformance.com/OurStory.aspx), and recently updated RSC® diagrams (http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...xhaustRsc.aspx) showing more than one way we eliminate specific frequencies that cause drone. If you have additional questions about the technology, please contact us at [email protected] or 1-800-486-0999.

Best Regards,
The CORSA Performance Team"

Where is a response from Apr corporate...,??? Are they or who afraid to respond to their main
Demographic???.... This involves an Apr branded product!!! Not a Corsa branded one!!!

[CloseEncounters]

What do you hope to accomplish? You will get an exhaust, cut it open, see the same thing you have seen in this thread and then what? APR's stance won't change. They have said they believe RSC technology is anything they want it to be. You already know the material it's made of etc.

Do what you have to do, and I like the charity aspect, but I don't get the end game, other than one person getting a deal on an exhaust :)

I do love the Charity part of this also but it still would not be enough to make the point that APR needs.

My thoughts: How about we all ship back our removed OEM exhaust back to APR HQ, or any used exhaust system for that matter if yours in no longer available. Tell me this would not make a solid point and garner real attention from them.

Sure, it would cost us the shipping charge to have the exhaust shipped back to their facility but think of the satisfaction we would all get on hearing of a bunch of used exhaust starting to pile up at APR HQ....Priceless!!

[t3han0maly]

We reached out to the team at CORSA and they have provided this additional information:

"CORSA Performance Exhaust had been producing some exhaust systems for APR for the past several years. In that time, we worked with APR to manufacture exhaust systems that featured our proprietary RSC® Technology to eliminate drone, as well as deliver to the acoustic, design and material specifications of APR. In every case where a system featured RSC® Technology, it was designed, utilizing one of the various patented and trade secret methods we have developed to reflect sound waves out of phase, thus eliminating specific drone causing frequencies. Each vehicle application is different and produces different frequencies that cause drone. CORSA Performance goes to great lengths to find those frequencies, and use one, or several, of our tools to cancel those frequencies through reflection. RSC® Technology is not a one-size fits all technology, but a specific design, engineered as a system for a specific vehicle.

In all cases where we produced exhaust systems for APR we utilized various methods, some seen in our several patents and others that are proprietary, to develop systems, not just mufflers, to eliminate the resonance and still craft a sound profile that was targeted for the car. We are committed first and foremost to eliminating the drone in vehicles and believe we have accomplished that on every APR exhaust system we produced featuring an RSC® Technology. I would invite you to explore our recently completely re-designed and updated website (www.corsaperformance.com) to see our story (http://www.corsaperformance.com/OurStory.aspx), and recently updated RSC® diagrams (http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...xhaustRsc.aspx) showing more than one way we eliminate specific frequencies that cause drone. If you have additional questions about the technology, please contact us at [email protected] or 1-800-486-0999.

Best Regards,
The CORSA Performance Team"

By the logic of this post, if my iphone breaks, i should not go to apple for a solution but rather to FoxCon since you know, they are the one's that built it.

Fact is even if this exhaust is a pig, you put the lipstick on it and hence it is your product and your problem. Not who ever you sourced it form. Now if you sold it as "APR presents exclusive exhausts by Corsa" then you can squarely place all the blame on the shoulders of Corsa but as it stands this is not the case.

[mec]

That really is APR though, they don't make exhausts, they don't make intakes, they don't they don't make most things they sell, but they will stamp their name all over it and pretend they know what they are selling even if they don't. That way there is always a scapegoat.

"Well we didn't make it, we just sourced it and rebranded it"

Note to self, never be in business with APR, you will only end up in one of two positions.

1. Thrown under a bus.
2. Awaiting a lot of money that will never be paid back.

[SteveYem]

By the logic of this post, if my iphone breaks, i should not go to apple for a solution but rather to FoxCon since you know, they are the one's that built it.

Fact is even if this exhaust is a pig, you put the lipstick on it and hence it is your product and your problem. Not who ever you sourced it form. Now if you sold it as "APR presents exclusive exhausts by Corsa" then you can squarely place all the blame on the shoulders of Corsa but as it stands this is not the case.

Sort of, but keep in mind that APR would be making their mark-up on the product and in return they must have some value added. If they are simply a distributorship then the price should be much, much lower.

[t3han0maly]

That really is APR though, they don't make exhausts, they don't make intakes, they don't they don't make most things they sell, but they will stamp their name all over it and pretend they know what they are selling even if they don't. That way there is always a scapegoat.

"Well we didn't make it, we just sourced it and rebranded it"

Note to self, never be in business with APR, you will only end up in one of two positions.

1. Thrown under a bus.
2. Awaiting a lot of money that will never be paid back.

The moment you put your name on someone else's product all consumer facing issues become your problem. All mitigation of issues is your problem. Dealing with the source of said items is your problem not pointing the customer to the source. If Corsa has 8 technologies and 8 patents used across 8 exhaust systems for different cars then the marketing material should be reflective of this if its going to be as specific as it had been or should be left along at just a logo/trade mark notice. I dont see much that APR has to claw back at here. I know there's been lawyer talk floated here and others have said the payback wont be much etc etc but any half way descent lawyer would have a field day with the info cuz its all stacked against APR.

Sort of, but keep in mind that APR would be making their mark-up on the product and in return they must have some value added. If they are simply a distributorship then the price should be much, much lower.

I understand that and thats what I meant. When they took someone elses product and put their own name on it and sold it as theirs then the responsibility of any mishaps is also theirs. If there has to be a make good it needs to come out of APR's pocket first and then what ever back door deal APR and said vendor has is APR's problem not the end consumers.

[dirtydub]

We reached out to the team at CORSA and they have provided this additional information:

"CORSA Performance Exhaust had been producing some exhaust systems for APR for the past several years. In that time, we worked with APR to manufacture exhaust systems that featured our proprietary RSC® Technology to eliminate drone, as well as deliver to the acoustic, design and material specifications of APR. In every case where a system featured RSC® Technology, it was designed, utilizing one of the various patented and trade secret methods we have developed to reflect sound waves out of phase, thus eliminating specific drone causing frequencies. Each vehicle application is different and produces different frequencies that cause drone. CORSA Performance goes to great lengths to find those frequencies, and use one, or several, of our tools to cancel those frequencies through reflection. RSC® Technology is not a one-size fits all technology, but a specific design, engineered as a system for a specific vehicle.

In all cases where we produced exhaust systems for APR we utilized various methods, some seen in our several patents and others that are proprietary, to develop systems, not just mufflers, to eliminate the resonance and still craft a sound profile that was targeted for the car. We are committed first and foremost to eliminating the drone in vehicles and believe we have accomplished that on every APR exhaust system we produced featuring an RSC® Technology. I would invite you to explore our recently completely re-designed and updated website (www.corsaperformance.com) to see our story (http://www.corsaperformance.com/OurStory.aspx), and recently updated RSC® diagrams (http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...xhaustRsc.aspx) showing more than one way we eliminate specific frequencies that cause drone. If you have additional questions about the technology, please contact us at [email protected] or 1-800-486-0999.

Best Regards,
The CORSA Performance Team"

So you essentially bullied them into updating the website so that it didn't make you look bad??? I still call major bullshit on this response. APR is responsible for this since you are the ones selling said product. I also agree that each and every single time you post nonsense like this, it only makes APR look worse...not Corsa. Why are you not addressing these issues on the home page of the your website? Or better yet, reaching out to your distributors and customers to apologize for your poor and false marketing of these exhausts? You have a customer database for all sales over the past 5+ years. I don't understand why Corsa would even offer up that type of response considering how bad APR has screwed them over in the past. They do realize that you are now taking their design and having a knockoff produced, right?

[RainJer]

[QUOTE=SteveYem;10274019]Sort of, but keep in mind that APR would be making their mark-up on the product and in return they must have some value added. QUOTE]

Correct. It is known as blue-sky and it the return on their marketing dollars and branding. Honestly I do not care who makes the product, who brands it, and who sells it. Just make sure that you stand behind the product and that it is exactly what you've advertised.

That is my frustration at least.

[SteveYem]

[QUOTE=RainJer;10274115]

Sort of, but keep in mind that APR would be making their mark-up on the product and in return they must have some value added. QUOTE]

Correct. It is known as blue-sky and it the return on their marketing dollars and branding. Honestly I do not care who makes the product, who brands it, and who sells it. Just make sure that you stand behind the product and that it is exactly what you've advertised.

That is my frustration at least.

Exactly. It's risk and reward. You choose what you want to sell wisely, because you'll be responsible for making the Customer happy should anything go wrong. The reward is if you choose to sell a winning product that doesn't require you to eat into any of your profit margin dealing with quality (or other) issues.

[flyingturtle]

dirtydub is my hero

[dirtydub]

dirtydub is my hero

Thank you, but I'm just a man on a mission.

[B7 Projectile]

I have sat on the sidelines weighing both sides. Having a B8 with the RSC exhaust aside from a laundry list of other APR products I would say that I am happy with what I have. However, I purchased based on the engineering claims made- understanding that I was paying for a more tested and overall superior design. In my opinion, many points which are being had in this discussion are valid concerns of deception on APR for advertising something that is not, and Corsa as the OEM manufacturer for doing nothing about it when they should have known better that- A large private label customer of theirs is using "RSC" (CORSA technology license/patent) in out of context claims or outright misleading what is advertised VS what is supplied.

This comes down to two things:
1. APR's stance that- "Is is functional, Right?"
2. The customer- "I didn't get exactly what was promised"

Now maybe over the years there has been different ways of applying types of noise cancelling technologies, which may or may not have found its way into production exhaust systems. Regardless of this, RSC as it has been explained in the below articles clearly paints a different picture compared to a number of responses which I have read. I have come to conclude in my own understanding or RSC that- The unique attributes of the RSC product is not only that the exhaust is silent, it is also supposed to be the most non-restrictive muffler designs by incorporating the straight pipe (no baffle's) which has the 360 degree air gap which captures and channels the low frequency sound waves, flips the wave 180 degree's, then reintroduces it to the 360 degree air gap in the straight pipe which hence cancels out the other sound waves. At least thats what I paid for...

I've always been taught that if you have a claim, you better be ready to back it up. So far I am not impressed.

If one were to educate themselves on what RSC is they may find a handful of the below articles I came across after I searched under the text: "What is RSC reflected sound exhaust"

ONALLCYLINDERS.COM
http://www.onallcylinders.com/2014/0...ow-technology/
"Corsa Performance Exhaust mufflers are known for reducing interior exhaust drone at low frequencies. Corsa engineers have accomplished this with something called “Reflective Sound Cancellation.”

Translation please?

The name Reflective Sound Cancellation refers to the way sound pressure waves are routed within the muffler. In Corsa’s design, unwanted low frequency sound waves are diverted through specially designed channels (see Figure A below) and then reflected, or reversed, 180 degrees into each other (see Figure B). This process causes the sound waves to effectively cancel each other, eliminating the low frequencies that cause the dreaded “exhaust drone.” It’s the same out-of-phase wave cancellation technology used by electronics companies in devices such as noise-cancelling headphones."
Figure 'A'


Figure 'B'


StylinTrucks.com (Corsa Factory Tour Article
http://www.stylintrucks.com/articles...orsa_tour.aspx
"So, how does RSC work? First, the engineers at Corsa test a vehicle with a straight pipe (no muffler) and determine what frequencies cause droning and booming in the interior of the vehicle. Corsa tests the vehicle in the all-important 60-80 MPH (the speed where most droning problems occur). Once the frequencies are calculated they begin designing the muffler case to specifically cancel out any annoying frequencies – see figure 1 to see how Reflective Sound Cancellation works.
Patented Power-Pulse RSC Exhaust System"

"1. Sound waves are reflected within the muffler case producing a cancellation wave effect with no flow restrictions and without electronic devices. "

SuperChevy.com
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/vem...ottom#cxrecs_s

"Question: I would like to know what the difference between "straight-through," "chambered," and "conventional" mufflers is.
Larry
Via the Internet"

"...Answer: Great question. Conventional mufflers (above right) use a combination of bends, deflection walls, and packing materials to direct and absorb exhaust flow within the muffler body. This is the most restrictive type of muffler, but it offers the greatest reduction in exhaust sound."
Above Right picture:


The article goes on to state:
For maximum performance, straight-through mufflers work best. They don't restrict much exhaust flow and therefore produce little or no power-robbing backpressure. The downside is that they typically offer very little in the way of sound control. Most straight-through mufflers use packing material around a perforated tube in an attempt to muffle the sound......One company, Corsa Performance Exhausts, uses a patented sound-canceling technology (called "Reflective Sound Cancellation," or RSC) in its straight-through mufflers (below right) to eliminate drone without creating any additional backpressure
Below Right Picture:



Corvette World Parts
http://www.corvetteworldparts.com/c4...e-rsc-exhaust/
"CORSA's Power-Pulse RSC exhaust technology uses reflected sound waves to cancel unwanted exhaust noise and interior resonance. This 2 ½" unrestricted, straight-through muffler design has no baffles or sound-absorbing packing materials that can deteriorate over time. The result is a bold and clean sound at full-throttle and an incredibly quiet ride at cruise and highway speeds."


Street Legal TV (Understanding Muffler Design and Sound Absorption Strategies)
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/tech-st...on-strategies/

Corsa’s Brent Noward explained their unique chambered muffler design as Reflective Sound Cancelation (RSC) technology. “We use Reflective Sound Cancellation to capture specific sound waves and route them through an internal mechanism. That then reflects the sound wave back upon the next sound wave entering the mechanism all without interrupting the exhaust flow. Each muffler is designed and tuned specifically for the vehicle it is intended for taking into account everything from cabin volume, to exhaust length, to desired level of exterior volume.”



Corsa’s Reflective Sound Cancelation (RSC) technology focuses on getting rid of low frequency sound waves by diverting them into specifically designed channels and reversing the flow causing the sound waves to cancel themselves out and eliminate the unwanted frequencies. “We generally try to use tubing equivalent to, or larger than, stock tubing to increase flow,” Noward added.


ACH Tuning release of RSC Jetta Exhaust
http://achtuning.com/tag/rsc/

Exhaust System Features

APR’s RSC™ Performance Exhaust System features the same great designs from APR’s Engineering Team and high quality manufacturing incorporating the following:

High Flow Straight Through 3″ Unrestricted Design
High Precision CNC Mig Welding
High Precision Tig Welding
Low Carbon Stainless Steel Construction
High Strength Stainless Steel Torca Exhaust Clamps
Interchangeable Polished Stainless Steel or Diamond Black Tips
Double Walled and Rolled Tips Laser Etched with APR Logo
Lifetime Warranty





CORSA Exhaust Systems Website
http://www.corsaexhaustsystems.com/

Patented Reflective Sound Cancellation™ (RSC™) Technology CORSA uses its patented Reflective Sound Cancellation™ (RSC™) technology to eliminate low frequency resonance while minimizing backpressure. Sound waves are reflected within the muffler case, producing a cancellation wave effect-with no flow restriction and without electronic devices. The RSC™ design features a pipe running straight through the muffler, incorporating a full 360-degree air gap and allowing sound pressure waves to escape. The waves are channeled and then returned to the gap 180-degrees out-of-phase, canceling specific sound frequencies. All that remains is the clean, crisp sound of performance. (The actual frequency/frequencies and amplitude where drone occurs will vary from vehicle to vehicle, but the overall principles are the same as our example here.)

[Subsonic]

Arin, please, just...shut...up. Your BS already cost APR any sales from me a while back. Others too from what I've read over the last two years since joining. Quit going to Corsa for an explanation of a product that YOU are selling. Why can't you, scratch that, why can't APR Corporate (preferably a high level manager/executive) make a statement here trying to make a positive impact rather than trying to weasel your way out of some serious allegations that look to have enough basis for potential lawsuits? I'm not a newcomer to aftermarket stuff and way back in college I quickly learned that customer service is paramount. APR is failing miserably. If they survive I seriously hope the marketers learn a lesson from all this. I know marketers love stretching the truth and making turds shine while grinning ear to ear but the truth is much better. Especially when your customers are not stupid because the truth always comes out. Sometimes it just takes a while.

APR's marketing BS finally caught up with them and exploded in their face but rather than try to do anything positive they scramble back to the supplier for an explanation of a product that APR sells, deceitfully markets, and apparently can't answer technical questions about (poor business sense to put it mildly). Even sadder is that they're asking for help from someone they owe money to who cut ties with them because of that. But to protect themselves (poor attempt anyway) they complied.

I haven't had a chance to read the patents yet. Photoshoot with my car after work for an acquaintance's LED website so maybe later tonight. But since Corsa has now changed their website after crying from APR I don't know if they should be trusted in the future either (technically, trust nobody). They've had years to update it to explain it's not just the picture that got thrown around all over the 'net.

[S4 00 2.7]

By the logic of this post, if my iphone breaks, i should not go to apple for a solution but rather to FoxCon since you know, they are the one's that built it.

Fact is even if this exhaust is a pig, you put the lipstick on it and hence it is your product and your problem. Not who ever you sourced it form. Now if you sold it as "APR presents exclusive exhausts by Corsa" then you can squarely place all the blame on the shoulders of Corsa but as it stands this is not the case.

THIS

[jmjd]

I love this thread.

I have an APR story of my own from a few years ago...

Purchased a tune at H2oi for my VW and they had issues at the booth tuning it. They told me that they had not developed a tune for my specific ECU yet and that once they got back from the show they would develope the tune in about a month or so and then I'd be able to go to a certified dealer to get it flashed. I agreed and went on my marry way. Long story short, after about 6 months of me hounding the engineer and getting the same bullshit response of "we are almost done," he says okay tune is ready you can go to your nearest dealer and get flashed.

At this point I am in Maryland at school, so I lookup the nearest dealer and drive the 3 hrs one way there. They hook my car up and same issue. "We have your specific tune sent to us directly from APR but for some reason we cannot get it to flash." After spending the ENTIRE day there and motherfvcking APR over the phone, they tell me that my ECU must have an issue and I didn't qualify for a refund. I don't want to throw the shop under the bus so I won't mention names, but the technician who tried to install the tune even mentioned that it seemed fishy and it was almost as if it was a blank tune or there was nothing there.

So now I'm really pissed. After no response from APR and about 9 months after I had paid for this "tune", I head back from school to my homestead in NY not too far from where my father's friend owns a small, private VW/Audi/Porsche dealer that is also a certified APR dealer (This is the place where I fell in love with Audi's and motorsports in general, got many rides in big turbo 911's, big turbo'd inline 5's, and family has bought all of their VAG, etc... so needless to say this guy takes care of me and there's no bullshot). So now HE hooks the car up and I tell him everything that had been going on and after about 15 min he told me I had been hosed and I needed to demand a refund and threaten to get a lawyer involved.

SOOOO to cut to the chase I did a bunch of piddlefarting around wasting my time and gas money because APR was a scumbag. They did however refund my $ about a year after the initial purchase. I took that $ and the recommendation from my local guy and stopped at C2 on my way back down to school that fall and got an intake manifold and tune (same car and ecu) and could not have been happier. And it was amazing that the car tuned just fine. I did not need a new ecu!!

Ever since I have been turned off by APR and will never buy another thing from them again... Shameful, because I have always thought they had good products...

[mr shickadance]

is no one else wondering that maybe APR had nothing to do with corsa's change of webpage and maybe corsa has been short changing all exhausts and now we are on to it they are changing everything?

[Amorphic]

It still doesn't add up, though. Consumers aren't just paying for an end result, they are paying for every aspect of the product. If they purchased it under the premise that it contained the same technology that was advertised in cutaway view within your Company's marketing literature, then that's what they should receive for their money spent.

What if, on a whim, Corsa/APR discovered that filling a muffler casing with 4 lbs of human feces yielded the same sound-canceling properties as the patented RSC technology? Under your business model you could sell that product as being RSC technology simply because it has the same end, yet different means. I suppose this would be one of the "trade secret" approaches as opposed to the patented ones?

Yep. Yet Arin just keeps posting these belittling posts to insult our intelligence. Such a shit show.

[kiku]

This thread is dead.

[cory_can]

Not quite ready for Spider-Man yet.

[Zillon]

Not quite ready for Spider-Man yet.

Just let me know when you start getting a tingle.

[LINDW4LL]

This thread has 142 posts in the last 24 hours, I wouldn't call it dead yet.

[saxon]

is no one else wondering that maybe APR had nothing to do with corsa's change of webpage and maybe corsa has been short changing all exhausts and now we are on to it they are changing everything?

no, then they couldnt bash apr and apparently thats the bandwagon right now..

[Stereodude]

"In every case where a system featured RSC® Technology, it was designed, utilizing one of the various patented and trade secret methods we have developed to reflect sound waves out of phase, thus eliminating specific drone causing frequencies."

Yeah, I'd want to keep the fact I used Frozen halloween wigs in an exhaust a secret too.

[AWD4WheelSpin]

Lance Armstrong of tuners, this absolutely kills me as I had so much confidence in them...another reason why Audi should offer a oem upgrade like BMW and their performance line

[droopy1592]

I spent a lot of money on APR tunes and almost bought the Golf R exhaust (because of the RSC only) and luckily didn't dump that much money simply because someone hit my car and I bought an S4. I simply haven't had time to do anything to it, but it definitely won't get the APR treatment. You guys can eff off after this craziness.

[Hansel]

I spent a lot of money on APR tunes and almost bought the Golf R exhaust (because of the RSC only) and luckily didn't dump that much money simply because someone hit my car and I bought an S4. I simply haven't had time to do anything to it, but it definitely won't get the APR treatment. You guys can eff off after this craziness.

LOL @ the eff off.