"APR - Deception, Coverups, and Lies"

[audinutt]

Makes me glad I have never purchased from them

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[richardm0025]

OMFG so true! I'm dying

B8 S4 owners responding to APR be like:

[tico]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBikp8Jce0

[Stereodude]

What other parts does APR sell, claim as your own until there is questionable quality, then redirect the customer to the actual manufacturer if they have a complaint? Just wondering? Way to dig deeper. Pathetic

That's probably all of them. Even things they do make can still be blamed on the material suppliers. Cause you know the supplier of the raw steel might have screwed them without them knowing.

[cory_can]

Although there are some good ones, be careful with the videos/gifs for comic relief. I'm sure AZ admins are looking for a reason to lock/close this thread and shelf it.

[seanj130]

There are links to this thread from all over the interwebs, he must love the traffic right about now

Although there are some good ones, be careful with the videos/gifs for comic relief. I'm sure AZ admins are looking for a reason to lock/close this thread and shelf it.

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[Mr.Wrong]

Everybody's been waiting for that reply from APR in hopes they'll make it right or offer some kind of explanation and in return APR just dumps Corsa under the bus.

I'm gonna need more popcorn for this, brb

[dirtydub]

B8 S4 owners responding to APR be like:

LMAO!!! Greatest thing I've seen all day! :) Thank you!!!

[Okan509]

The issue is that the "RSC" tech you have advertised is not the tech that was found in the muffler. Why not just own it and rectify the situation instead of posting belittling responses to the community when we have so much evidence suggesting we were mislead?

They literally cannot afford it.

have you been following their financial situation?

[Zillon]

They literally cannot afford it.

have you been following their financial situation?

'Taint good, man.

[Layza]

Don't worry APR will come out with a full explanation for all this.....














In two weeks.

[Hansel]

Windows up, wheel straight and AC off.

[treejs4]

So you're all saying I shouldn't place an order for an APR RSC exhaust right now......

[a4huey09]

So from that link that Arin posted you can view a catlog of corsa products. Page 3 has this, note the comment about competitors inferior product comparison? Does that not look like some of the photos here?

LOL. Nice. Done and Done.

[Subsonic]

So you're all saying I shouldn't place an order for an APR RSC exhaust right now......

...only if they video cutting it open first Even then, beware.

So with Corsa changing their web page to seemingly bolster APR's claim (I am not sober right now so that's my interpretation until the morning) it appears they are complicit. Am I following this correctly? (Edit: maybe "complicit" isn't quite the word I'm looking for after seeing the diagram on the right in the link below)

I'm not an audio engineer, I pretend to be an electrical in real life though, used to design subwoofer enclosures for fun and a living, and compete in SPL events so I am familiar with tuning, standing waves, and blah blah, but I'm getting mighty tempted to read those patents to see exactly what they describe.

In a possibly related matter, when I went to the grocery store they were completely sold out of popcorn. Coincidence?

[Subsonic]

But, there's this page and the graphic on the right has no baffles (at least not in the sense of the "original" diagram everyone is referring to like on the left):
http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...-Diagrams.aspx

Regarding the straight through pipe

Hey Arin then you guys should put this photo on your website
As a example of RSC technology used in your exhaust

It's in on one side and out on the other in that graphic.

[Hansel]

I have the apr exhaust. It's actually pretty good. Doesn't drone, I like it. Doesn't change the fact Arin is a dildo and a liar.

[hyperunion]

So from that link that Arin posted you can view a catlog of corsa products. Page 3 has this, note the comment about competitors inferior product comparison? Does that not look like some of the photos here?

Even the competitors pics look better made then pictures that were released...

[Jerry1847]

...only if they video cutting it open first Even then, beware.

So with Corsa changing their web page to seemingly bolster APR's claim (I am not sober right now so that's my interpretation until the morning) it appears they are complicit. Am I following this correctly? (Edit: maybe "complicit" isn't quite the word I'm looking for after seeing the diagram on the right in the link below)

I'm not an audio engineer, I pretend to be an electrical in real life though, used to design subwoofer enclosures for fun and a living, and compete in SPL events so I am familiar with tuning, standing waves, and blah blah, but I'm getting mighty tempted to read those patents to see exactly what they describe.

In a possibly related matter, when I went to the grocery store they were completely sold out of popcorn. Coincidence?

So, the RSC exhaust APR advertised had 3 RSC components; the dp resinator, center resonator, and mufflers. So now one of the three is remotely close to the hacked corsa page. Still a load of bs. Still no comment on the mufflers or the filler. Hmmmmm....

Feel bad for corsa, gonna be blowing up the phone lines tomorrow.

[S4 00 2.7]

Windows up, wheel straight and AC off.

Where ya been bro?

What a funny turn of events.. looks like APR can no longer hide behind fan boys.

[S4 00 2.7]

Even the competitors pics look better made then pictures that were released...

Took the words right out of my mouth!

[hmk6]

before they change this link also:

http://www.stangtv.com/tech-stories/...st-technology/



i have a copy of that

[MerkurRS]

To add to this, the video posted by Corsa clearly explains what RSC is and as Jerry1847 indicates, its not what APR is selling.

From what I see in the Corsa video, it does.

The "second" muffler uses "innovative straight-through" design..... that's exactly what that initial cut-away muffler was (in the beginning of this post) - straight through. One could certainly argue that Aunt Selma's wig doesn't really constitute "innovation"- or does it? We're still really not sure of how that "packing" was actually in there or fluffed out for increased drama and visual effect, so the jury is still out on that one as far as I am concerned.

Like one the of the previous posters referenced a "Big Mac" photo vs. actual product was spot on IMHO. So far, we have one of the mufflers IS RSC (baffles not like ones shown, but still baffled) and we have "innovative straight-through design" muffler on S4's. I believe their claims here match.

There is a difference between drone and noise...if you ever drove a 1985 Mustang GT with a 5.0, an H-pipe and a pair of 2-chamber Flowmasters, you KNOW what drone is. I seriously doubt that an S4 with several mufflers (whatever they're made of) comes close to a Mustang w/ Flowmasters.

I am still not convinced that these accusations are more factual and legitimate than they are a personal vendetta and witch hunt. I also believe that threats of class-action lawsuits and petitions are no different than a crowd of angry town-folk yielding torches, pitchforks and axes as they angrily approach the witches house.

The fact that your exhaust was $2000, it's a bit late for buyers remorse. I bought Borla (so, I don't even have a dog in this fight) for less and good quality. If one of your welds broke- that's a quality issue to take up on an individual basis. Yes, the quality of material has not been discussed, disputed or proven to a valid issue- so if there was a change in material and marketing material wasn't updated- you still have to prove intent to defraud versus marketing blunder. If I remember, earlier this year Borla's website didn't say their exhaust fit B8.5 cars when it did. Did anyone sue Borla for false advertising or just post a question to ask if it fits?

It seems to me like everyone here is enjoying a bit too much drama. During the summer months, it was 2014 cars and tunes...everyone wanted to hang the vendors then too. There's also the ongoing fury when Audi TD1's your car because you exceeded factory specifications....go figure. That's also the risk you take. Vendors aren't perfect, but they're trying and they're working to fill our demands for aftermarket equipment without the budget that a major auto manufacturer has. If they misstep- so be it. Provide them with a chance to make it right (if concerns are factual and valid) without forcing them out of business. I do agree that most of the time their responses are not truthful (this goes for most vendors here and other places) and that is simply poor business practice. Go buy elsewhere and support someone who is honest. God bless capitalism. I am sure we all agree, if APR were to fold and there is one less vendor, ingenuity, competitiveness, engineering edge and prices will be dramatically decreased, or worse yet-gone.

<soapbox mode off>

[derek.kritz]

From what I see in the Corsa video, it does.

The "second" muffler uses "innovative straight-through" design..... that's exactly what that initial cut-away muffler was (in the beginning of this post) - straight through. One could certainly argue that Aunt Selma's wig doesn't really constitute "innovation"- or does it? We're still really not sure of how that "packing" was actually in there or fluffed out for increased drama and visual effect, so the jury is still out on that one as far as I am concerned.

Like one the of the previous posters referenced a "Big Mac" photo vs. actual product was spot on IMHO. So far, we have one of the mufflers IS RSC (baffles not like ones shown, but still baffled) and we have "innovative straight-through design" muffler on S4's. I believe their claims here match.

There is a difference between drone and noise...if you ever drove a 1985 Mustang GT with a 5.0, an H-pipe and a pair of 2-chamber Flowmasters, you KNOW what drone is. I seriously doubt that an S4 with several mufflers (whatever they're made of) comes close to a Mustang w/ Flowmasters.

I am still not convinced that these accusations are more factual and legitimate than they are a personal vendetta and witch hunt. I also believe that threats of class-action lawsuits and petitions are no different than a crowd of angry town-folk yielding torches, pitchforks and axes as they angrily approach the witches house.

The fact that your exhaust was $2000, it's a bit late for buyers remorse. I bought Borla (so, I don't even have a dog in this fight) for less and good quality. If one of your welds broke- that's a quality issue to take up on an individual basis. Yes, the quality of material has not been discussed, disputed or proven to a valid issue- so if there was a change in material and marketing material wasn't updated- you still have to prove intent to defraud versus marketing blunder. If I remember, earlier this year Borla's website didn't say their exhaust fit B8.5 cars when it did. Did anyone sue Borla for false advertising or just post a question to ask if it fits?

It seems to me like everyone here is enjoying a bit too much drama. During the summer months, it was 2014 cars and tunes...everyone wanted to hang the vendors then too. There's also the ongoing fury when Audi TD1's your car because you exceeded factory specifications....go figure. That's also the risk you take. Vendors aren't perfect, but they're trying and they're working to fill our demands for aftermarket equipment without the budget that a major auto manufacturer has. If they misstep- so be it. Provide them with a chance to make it right (if concerns are factual and valid) without forcing them out of business. I do agree that most of the time their responses are not truthful (this goes for most vendors here and other places) and that is simply poor business practice. Go buy elsewhere and support someone who is honest. God bless capitalism. I am sure we all agree, if APR were to fold and there is one less vendor, ingenuity, competitiveness, engineering edge and prices will be dramatically decreased, or worse yet-gone.

<soapbox mode off>

Very well put. I'm a huge fan of apr. I'm come over from the mk6 Gti world. Apr does a fantastic job with there out of the box turbo kits, intercoolers and software. The kid Jamie did a great job with recent k04 update. And Arin did an great job in correspondence with all the forum chatter. The software was rocky at first, but got straightened out nicely, and in a timely manner. Now I'm new over here and there is some obvious dislike for APR and there staff members. Especially Arin. I don't know the back stories but in sure I'll pick up on them soon. I definitely understand the disappointment in everyone over this exhaust situation, but let's give them a week or so to get this straightened out. APR has been a leader in the VAG world for some years now. They've put out some great software and reliable off the shelf turbo kits. Hopefully they can get this straighten out for everyone. And I hope with the new management team, they can bring some great products in the future. Apr out of the game all together would be a massive blow to the VAG mod world. And I for one want to have great new products to choose from. If you are rooting against them and hoping for the company to close their doors, then you are being really short sided. It would hurt the whole VAG aftermarket greatly.


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[AndrewCote]

Arin, take one off the shelf, cut it open, and lets all see then.

[Hansel]

Where ya been bro?

What a funny turn of events.. looks like APR can no longer hide behind fan boys.

Busy busy! Vacation & work. I can see! A friend called me and asked if I still come on here and saw this thread. I love arin and that other guys responses. What a joke. This is a real good way to retain your customer base. I wouldn't buy shit from these guys.

[F40LM]

ugh now what exhaust to get with zero drone !?

I dont have drone with AWE stock downpipes....

[13ttaz]

Despite the claims featured in these threads:

• All of the exhausts we sell, with "RSC" in the name, are from Corsa.
• Corsa has confirmed all of the exhaust they supply to APR contain RSC technology.
• All of the exhaust systems work as advertised.

Corsa has asked us to direct you to the following resources for further information:

"Please see the attached link (http://www.corsaperformance.com/Tech...xhaustRsc.aspx) for additional information on CORSA's various RSC Technologies"

"For further questions pertaining to RSC technology please Contact CORSA directly at 1-800-486-0999, or [email protected]"

Thank you

. . . is this really the full extent of APR's response to this entire situation . . . . REALLY?

[Joker S4]

. . . is this really the full extent of APR's response to this entire situation . . . . REALLY?

That's honestly what it looks like. I was a previous APR Customer with my previous car, but reading through all this, it seems like I would be wise to take my business elsewhere. Unless APR does go out of business and has to clear their inventory really quick. Even that is still doubtful. I don't like how any of this has been handled. I'm out of popcorn now too.

[Hansel]

. . . is this really the full extent of APR's response to this entire situation . . . . REALLY?

Lol @ that response by APR. Now I hope more people see how they are. I thought people would have figured this out after my stage 2 issues.

[F40LM]

. . . is this really the full extent of APR's response to this entire situation . . . . REALLY?

I mean if you look at the diagram in the source its clearly the look of the one cut open. I honestly dont care what tech they used, the ridiculous thing is the cost of the exhaust.

[mr shickadance]

From what I see in the Corsa video, it does.

The "second" muffler uses "innovative straight-through" design..... that's exactly what that initial cut-away muffler was (in the beginning of this post) - straight through. One could certainly argue that Aunt Selma's wig doesn't really constitute "innovation"- or does it? We're still really not sure of how that "packing" was actually in there or fluffed out for increased drama and visual effect, so the jury is still out on that one as far as I am concerned.

Like one the of the previous posters referenced a "Big Mac" photo vs. actual product was spot on IMHO. So far, we have one of the mufflers IS RSC (baffles not like ones shown, but still baffled) and we have "innovative straight-through design" muffler on S4's. I believe their claims here match.

There is a difference between drone and noise...if you ever drove a 1985 Mustang GT with a 5.0, an H-pipe and a pair of 2-chamber Flowmasters, you KNOW what drone is. I seriously doubt that an S4 with several mufflers (whatever they're made of) comes close to a Mustang w/ Flowmasters.

I am still not convinced that these accusations are more factual and legitimate than they are a personal vendetta and witch hunt. I also believe that threats of class-action lawsuits and petitions are no different than a crowd of angry town-folk yielding torches, pitchforks and axes as they angrily approach the witches house.

The fact that your exhaust was $2000, it's a bit late for buyers remorse. I bought Borla (so, I don't even have a dog in this fight) for less and good quality. If one of your welds broke- that's a quality issue to take up on an individual basis. Yes, the quality of material has not been discussed, disputed or proven to a valid issue- so if there was a change in material and marketing material wasn't updated- you still have to prove intent to defraud versus marketing blunder. If I remember, earlier this year Borla's website didn't say their exhaust fit B8.5 cars when it did. Did anyone sue Borla for false advertising or just post a question to ask if it fits?

It seems to me like everyone here is enjoying a bit too much drama. During the summer months, it was 2014 cars and tunes...everyone wanted to hang the vendors then too. There's also the ongoing fury when Audi TD1's your car because you exceeded factory specifications....go figure. That's also the risk you take. Vendors aren't perfect, but they're trying and they're working to fill our demands for aftermarket equipment without the budget that a major auto manufacturer has. If they misstep- so be it. Provide them with a chance to make it right (if concerns are factual and valid) without forcing them out of business. I do agree that most of the time their responses are not truthful (this goes for most vendors here and other places) and that is simply poor business practice. Go buy elsewhere and support someone who is honest. God bless capitalism. I am sure we all agree, if APR were to fold and there is one less vendor, ingenuity, competitiveness, engineering edge and prices will be dramatically decreased, or worse yet-gone.

<soapbox mode off>

nice write up, however I am inclined to disagree. As stated many times over, i am NOT upset with APR for the following:

- Changes metals and changing description
- increasing prices
- anything that has to do with normal business moves

What upsets me, and I think what is upsetting the customer base is the lying that appears to be going on. Now, there really is not much in terms of verification for whether or not these pictures came from an APR worker. I can tell you through years of public accounting where the main focus is "don't believe anything and question everything" it appears that crew is on the up and up and each day he seems to add weight to his side of the story.

So what really aggravates me is that it seems (from what we have seen) that APR has known about this issue, and STILL pushed out the product to the customer. It's just a really shitty move on their part and makes me feel like they would have no problem doing it again (given the lack of remorse they have shown in this thread)

I am not going to sit here and argue about the entire RSC its in there, its not in there, because i don't really care about that. The advertising tells one story, the actual tells another. Does not matter to me if the APR exhaust really do contain RSC it is not what the picture advertised as what I would have received so I feel mislead.

Kind of reminds me of that chick from hooters when there management offered a sales spiff in which the waitress with the highest sales for the month won a toyota.

when she won, she was presented with a toy-yoda. again, because someone was promised product A and received product B there is a feeling of deception and broken trust.

[CloseEncounters]

So you're all saying I shouldn't place an order for an APR RSC exhaust right now......

Classic!!!

Should I plan on cutting open the APR DP and Free Flow Cat that I got installed at Waterfest last year for my STG 2 +?

Mmmm, on second thought...I might be OPENING another CAN of worms.

[mr shickadance]

would anyone consider donating a little $$ if I started a kickstarter or an indiegogo for me to purchase a B8 s4 RSC exhaust from APR and take a video of myself opening the exhaust for all to see?

I would document the entire process and any excess funds I would donate to st jude's children's hospital?

[Joker S4]

would anyone consider donating a little $$ if I started a kickstarter or an indiegogo for me to purchase a B8 s4 RSC exhaust from APR and take a video of myself opening the exhaust for all to see?

I would document the entire process and any excess funds I would donate to st jude's children's hospital?

I would, but now that this thread has so much traffic, from APR included, I would recommend buying or funding someone that already has one. This way APR doesn't send out a better product. In return, the funds gathered could replace the "seller's" exhaust.

Does that make sense?

[F40LM]

My question is how would they farm out the exhaust to someone who isnt corsa if they were planning to continue using the same design?

[mr shickadance]

I would, but now that this thread has so much traffic, from APR included, I would recommend buying or funding someone that already has one. This way APR doesn't send out a better product. In return, the funds gathered could replace the "seller's" exhaust.

Does that make sense?

I would buy from a vendor who already had some inventory in stock. I would also video the unboxing as well and it would be for people to comment on to see if their bought exhaust was any different than the one purchased.

[Hansel]

I would buy from a vendor who already had some inventory in stock. I would also video the unboxing as well and it would be for people to comment on to see if their bought exhaust was any different than the one purchased.

count me in

[Joker S4]

I would buy from a vendor who already had some inventory in stock. I would also video the unboxing as well and it would be for people to comment on to see if their bought exhaust was any different than the one purchased.

That works for me too. I'd donate.

[mr shickadance]

ok guys, here is the indie gogo funding campaign I started.

The goal is $2,475 which is the price of the exhaust.

I have a full description of what will happen if we meet the goal, if we do not meet the goal, or if we exceed the goal.

The ONLY thing I have not thought about is what the donation would be given to under as a name. I was thinking Audizine community, but maybe we spread this to other forums?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a...aust/x/9195280