Newest and biggest injector for the FSI

[mec]

$240.00 a set .........lol

I thought that was wrong also. I don't think I can buy two S3 injectors for that much at cost, LOL.

http://www.stockwiseauto.com/product...ttro/Year/2009

[mec]

I've seen them for 80-100 in most other places, but $240 is hard to pass up.


Hey john you ever toyed with a TTRS PUMP? im trying to pull the pump out of the basket but it seems impossible without breaking the tabs. mostly because the tabs don't move.

[vce1232000]

I thought that was wrong also. I don't think I can buy two S3 injectors for that much at cost, LOL.

I'll give Martin a benefit of doubt and he meant a pair as in 2 for a set. thinks he is
again....lol

[vce1232000]

http://www.stockwiseauto.com/product...ttro/Year/2009

Dude that link is not for S3 injectors. I think they are TSI injectors

[mec]

Dude that link is not for S3 injectors. I think they are TSI injectors

look up the part number before you continue to smash your head in to a wall.

[seal66]

I am going to be honest, I am surprised that the HPFP has lasted this long on E85. E85 has very lubricating qualities, and traditionally the HPFP's start to wear and eventually have erratic pressure issues. What ever you are doing, keep doing it.

A custom PRV will work fantastic in your set up! Let me know what the tuner has to say.

Thanks,

John

Jon,

My pump has been through two Audi's and roughly 30-35k miles on it.

E85 has been only about 5-6k of those.

I will talk with my Turner and see what he says

Thanks,

Seth

[mec]

Dude that link is not for S3 injectors. I think they are TSI injectors

TSI uses a different harness connector that we do, and the injector body is different with a multi point spray tip.

[Operator]

I've seen them for 80-100 in most other places, but $240 is hard to pass up.

Or $224.32
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...557592976.html

[mec]

Or $224.32
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...557592976.html

Hmmm interesting thing about those is that they are actually AUDI stamped. A few of the injectors including the later APR ones are direct from Bosch, including hte ones I posted, but those you posted actually have the audi stamping on them. crazy.

[vce1232000]

look up the part number before you continue to smash your head in to a wall.

That site is listing 2009^ TT application. I thought 2009^ uses the TSI motor. Which the S3 will only fit FSI motors

[mec]

That site is listing 2009^ TT application. I thought 2009^ uses the TSI motor. Which the S3 will only fit FSI motors

perhaps its time to go continue banging your head into that wall.

[vce1232000]

Where the FUCK was these prices @ when I bought my S3's . I paid like 450.00 for these about 2 years ago

[vce1232000]

Hmmm interesting thing about those is that they are actually AUDI stamped. A few of the injectors including the later APR ones are direct from Bosch, including hte ones I posted, but those you posted actually have the audi stamping on them. crazy.

You know in China that counterfeit anything including stamping of BS parts...

[mec]

You know in China that counterfeit anything including stamping of BS parts...

True, but good quality stuff comes out of china too, I have no doubt that bosch makes these in china.....so who's to say these aren't just as good as OEM...only one way to find out! Someone order them

[vce1232000]

perhaps its time to go continue banging your head into that wall.

Naa. Just learned something new today. Part of life. Nothing wrong admitting being wrong which I am...lol

[Operator]

You know in China that counterfeit anything including stamping of BS parts...

Anything you say?!? http://news.yahoo.com/video/chinese-...044547470.html

[mec]

Anything you say?!? http://news.yahoo.com/video/chinese-...044547470.html

wow thats crazy.....thats how to get to the top though! Even the k04 kits from china that are garbage and cost 500 have the audi stamp on them lol, they don't bother to remove them.

[vce1232000]

Even the k04 kits from china that are garbage and cost 500.

Did U say FrankenTurbo marketing

[mec]

Did U say FrankenTurbo marketing

llol thats what I don't get. People who buy frankenturbo.....you're buying a knock off k04....you can buy those for $500 on alibaba or ebay, why sink in $1500?

[derrek]

The AUS car was AWD numbers, the Germany car was FWD numbers.

I know company's here in the states that would be more than willing to tune for higher fuel pressure and push the limits. We just need to see the demand.

So who are these companies?

[hpfpupgrade]

http://www.stockwiseauto.com/product...ttro/Year/2009

We trust that those are not some cheap knock off's? I get fantastic pricing from the dealer, and we are still double that at my cost.

[hpfpupgrade]

I've seen them for 80-100 in most other places, but $240 is hard to pass up.


Hey john you ever toyed with a TTRS PUMP? im trying to pull the pump out of the basket but it seems impossible without breaking the tabs. mostly because the tabs don't move.

You have to used several small pics to get them out. The tabs don't break if you move slow and gently bend them out of the way.

[hpfpupgrade]

True, but good quality stuff comes out of china too, I have no doubt that bosch makes these in china.....so who's to say these aren't just as good as OEM...only one way to find out! Someone order them

Problem, if they fail then what? Who do you contact when the injector takes out the engine? Its so hard these days to figure out what is what because the damn overseas crap has made its way into our lives. Look at it this way. If its 1/2 off what the dealer charges, pretty good bet that its not OEM quality.

[hpfpupgrade]

So who are these companies?

They are independent tuners. I am sure I could put you in contact with one if you were interested.

I would be tuning the crap out of these cars if I were not under contract with another company.

PM me and I will get you some information.

Thanks,

John

[mec]

You have to used several small pics to get them out. The tabs don't break if you move slow and gently bend them out of the way.

Hmm that method worked great wit the green top a4 lpfp, but this yellow top ttrs pump is tricky....the tabs are...well not tabs at all, and I'm almost inclined to believe this pump was assembled in a way that it can only be disassembled by removing the entire inner contents of the basket which means removing the black plastic pieces from their glued on white basket. Strange they wouldn't use the same system for both pumps.

Problem, if they fail then what? Who do you contact when the injector takes out the engine? Its so hard these days to figure out what is what because the damn overseas crap has made its way into our lives. Look at it this way. If its 1/2 off what the dealer charges, pretty good bet that its not OEM quality.

This is true, however the dealer does have some gnarly mark ups, I'm not sure what these specific injectors cost, but I seem to remember phoning my dealer friend who informed me that each s3 injector had a dealer cost (to them) of $173. At the time this seemed unbelievably high, however I then noticed that what the dealer tells you cost is not always cost. For example you might see cost on a coil pack might be 15-17. And if you're the right person you might just get a whole set of four for $20. Curious how that works, how it's almost just a calculation more than a reality. Anyway I'm pretty sure apr went straight to bosch for the s3's. Early generation apr kits and even just single injectors had the Audi part number etched off. It looked very sloppy, hilarious almost that people consider them a professional company when they make these ridiculous moves.then later on the injectors no longer had the Audi branding, they were direct purchases from bosch. And soon enough we began to see the injectors sale for. 80-100, this showed the dealer really wasn't paying $173 per injector. Hmm I would love to get a spare set though and flow test them, I think injector dynamics does it for $25 an injector. Could be a best test.

[Endmass]

This is true, however the dealer does have some gnarly mark ups, I'm not sure what these specific injectors cost, but I seem to remember phoning my dealer friend who informed me that each s3 injector had a dealer cost (to them) of $173. At the time this seemed unbelievably high, however I then noticed that what the dealer tells you cost is not always cost. For example you might see cost on a coil pack might be 15-17. And if you're the right person you might just get a whole set of four for $20. Curious how that works, how it's almost just a calculation more than a reality.

You have to look beyond the actual part cost. It costs to stock them in a warehouse all individually boxed for individual sale. Then comes shipping from the oem to the warehouse, then from the warehouse to the dealer: and crossing through multiple customs, etc...

Parts shipping from the OEM to the line are usually "just in time" shipments now, so neither the producer nor the factory has shit laying about.

Usually the people that can source it closer to the OEM without ordering by the thousands is the one getting the deal. Know someone who can get it from the oem: "hey bob in shipping, how are you doing today? Can these fall off the truck?"


Source: I work for a just-in-time OEM supplier. Sadly, we don't do injectors.

[mec]

You have to look beyond the actual part cost. It costs to stock them in a warehouse all individually boxed for individual sale. Then comes shipping from the oem to the warehouse, then from the warehouse to the dealer: and crossing through multiple customs, etc...

Parts shipping from the OEM to the line are usually "just in time" shipments now, so neither the producer nor the factory has shit laying about.

Usually the people that can source it closer to the OEM without ordering by the thousands is the one getting the deal. Know someone who can get it from the oem: "hey bob in shipping, how are you doing today? Can these fall off the truck?"


Source: I work for a just-in-time OEM supplier. Sadly, we don't do injectors.

I sorta figured overhead was a key player in what they determine "dealer cost" to be. But from what i've seen, dealer cost is not the cheapest they will sell for.

[ericpaulyoung]

I would not buy the china knock off for injectors or a turbo. I know the real S3 injectors are made in Europe and the new RS4 are made in Italy to be exact. These parts are high precision and the injectors require consistent performance across all four in order to operate effectively.

EPY

[seal66]

Eric sent ya a message.

[ericpaulyoung]

The ones posted above for $280 are real I think. Bit the ones from Aliexpress, but the other link. They are showing up as out of stock, so this may have been a sell off of a batch that they got super cheap so they were overstock items. So not typical. I think the actual price you can find S3 injectors for (I mean excluding a super deal like that) is around $80-$90 each. That seems to be the lowest price posted for S3 direct purchase.
EPY

[hpfpupgrade]

Hmm that method worked great wit the green top a4 lpfp, but this yellow top ttrs pump is tricky....the tabs are...well not tabs at all, and I'm almost inclined to believe this pump was assembled in a way that it can only be disassembled by removing the entire inner contents of the basket which means removing the black plastic pieces from their glued on white basket. Strange they wouldn't use the same system for both pumps.



This is true, however the dealer does have some gnarly mark ups, I'm not sure what these specific injectors cost, but I seem to remember phoning my dealer friend who informed me that each s3 injector had a dealer cost (to them) of $173. At the time this seemed unbelievably high, however I then noticed that what the dealer tells you cost is not always cost. For example you might see cost on a coil pack might be 15-17. And if you're the right person you might just get a whole set of four for $20. Curious how that works, how it's almost just a calculation more than a reality. Anyway I'm pretty sure apr went straight to bosch for the s3's. Early generation apr kits and even just single injectors had the Audi part number etched off. It looked very sloppy, hilarious almost that people consider them a professional company when they make these ridiculous moves.then later on the injectors no longer had the Audi branding, they were direct purchases from bosch. And soon enough we began to see the injectors sale for. 80-100, this showed the dealer really wasn't paying $173 per injector. Hmm I would love to get a spare set though and flow test them, I think injector dynamics does it for $25 an injector. Could be a best test.

I believe the TT fuel pump can be picked out of the pump housing. We managed to get one removed without destroying, but I don't recall how we did it.

My costs at the dealer are very good. We do $80k a year with them and we are their number 1 wholesaler. Anyone can go straight to Bosch and buy injectors, but you need to buy them in 100 to 1000 units at a time. The more you buy, the deeper the discount. How much of a discount, well... we asked how much for 4,000 injectors and they told us $280,000. You can get the price down if you are willing to buy them in massive quantity.

As far as flowing the injectors... currently no one can flow GDI injectors and give you an accurate flow ratting. Sure, they can push 100 to 200 psi through them, but that is not even idle pressure little alone WOT fuel pressure. I have been working on my in house injector bench for the last 2 years and we are finally getting to a point that we might actually be able to flow injectors and calculate the flow rate. Its the 100 volts required to fire the injector that is causing problems.

[hpfpupgrade]

Guys, I did get your PM's. I will be in contact with my tuning support group and see if I can get someone on board to tune you guys.

[Jake@JHM]

Tune for what?

[seal66]

Hey Jon, also I have a first batch cam follower. Wanna send me a message on where to ship it back too. I haven't even used it yet since the first batch ran into issues.

[ericpaulyoung]

eric when do your injectors arrive?

They are coming out of Germany tomorrow, so I should have them within 2 weeks depending on customs. They are coming out of a wrecked 2013 RS4 Avant with 33,000 km on the clock. So they should be in good shape still.

[derrek]

Tune for what?

I asked about the tuners he said he used for the high hp and fast 1/4 fsi cars

[Jake@JHM]

I asked about the tuners he said he used for the high hp and fast 1/4 fsi cars

Oh I know APR Australia went 10s with their golfR

[derrek]

Oh I know APR Australia went 10s with their golfR

Yeah but no one likes apr


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[mec]

I believe the TT fuel pump can be picked out of the pump housing. We managed to get one removed without destroying, but I don't recall how we did it.

My costs at the dealer are very good. We do $80k a year with them and we are their number 1 wholesaler. Anyone can go straight to Bosch and buy injectors, but you need to buy them in 100 to 1000 units at a time. The more you buy, the deeper the discount. How much of a discount, well... we asked how much for 4,000 injectors and they told us $280,000. You can get the price down if you are willing to buy them in massive quantity.

As far as flowing the injectors... currently no one can flow GDI injectors and give you an accurate flow ratting. Sure, they can push 100 to 200 psi through them, but that is not even idle pressure little alone WOT fuel pressure. I have been working on my in house injector bench for the last 2 years and we are finally getting to a point that we might actually be able to flow injectors and calculate the flow rate. Its the 100 volts required to fire the injector that is causing problems.

Hmm I'll try some picks thanks!

Yeah thats the tradeoff i suppose, you have to have the infrastructure and network to be able to get your money back on 4000 injectors, selling 1000 sets is probably quite troublesome when you aren't the dealer.

Looking forward to another quality product with the tune!

[mec]

Yeah but no one likes apr


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hahahahhaa so true