200 Launch Maximum Reached - Launch Control No Longer Functional

**Jones2012s4** · 11-10-2014 12:17 PM

I must say, these cars are proving to be rather bullet proof. I just found out(at the track unfortunately) my car has hit it's 200 max launches.

My transmission has been bullet proof to this day. I realy think the 2012's had a lot of issues sorted out. Anyway, going to see if I can have GIAC reset this, and keep torture testing parts out. Extremely impressed with this car.

:)

**robokn** · 11-10-2014 12:20 PM

Is there a limit?

Don't think there is one as none on the TT's

**KarimS3** · 11-10-2014 12:21 PM

Impressive. How many miles do you have on the car?

**Jones2012s4** · 11-10-2014 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by KarimS3

Impressive. How many miles do you have on the car?

Just cracked 50,000

**jlaudio** · 11-10-2014 12:34 PM

Just another reason to buy 6mt - LC is only a temporary feature.
I wonder if the tuners can figure out a way to lift the cap on DSG tunes/cars?

**BoostEasy** · 11-10-2014 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by jlaudio

Just another reason to buy 6mt - LC is only a temporary feature.
I wonder if the tuners can figure out a way to lift the cap on DSG tunes/cars?

Tell that the 6MT guys with clutch issues.

**d.p** · 11-10-2014 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by jlaudio

Just another reason to buy 6mt - LC is only a temporary feature.
I wonder if the tuners can figure out a way to lift the cap on DSG tunes/cars?

Lol no, 6MT LC reached when your clutch shits the bed.

**LINDW4LL** · 11-10-2014 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by d.p

Lol no, 6MT LC reached when your clutch shits the bed.

Exactly. Try getting anywhere near 200 launches out of an OEM clutch, especially with stage 2... Any guesses/experiences as to how many launches it takes for it to start slipping?

Porsche's PDK dual-clutch is supposedly engineered to withstand 3,000+ launches. I don't think even at 1,000 launches that the S4's DSG will have any issues.

**d.p** · 11-11-2014 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by LINDW4LL

Exactly. Try getting anywhere near 200 launches out of an OEM clutch, especially with stage 2... Any guesses/experiences as to how many launches it takes for it to start slipping?

Porsche's PDK dual-clutch is supposedly engineered to withstand 3,000+ launches. I don't think even at 1,000 launches that the S4's DSG will have any issues.

On a stage 2 car? 15-20 hard launches could be enough get your clutch slipping.

**IceFour** · 12-05-2014 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by jlaudio

Just another reason to buy 6mt - LC is only a temporary feature.
I wonder if the tuners can figure out a way to lift the cap on DSG tunes/cars?

I've read that just stomping the throttle from a dead stop is just as effective as LC. I haven't confirmed it but stomping the throttle still launches pretty good. Just doesn't have the effect of revving to 3000 and launching. Even then it doesn't really launch like dropping the clutch.

**clee130** · 12-05-2014 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by IceFour

I've read that just stomping the throttle from a dead stop is just as effective as LC. I haven't confirmed it but stomping the throttle still launches pretty good. Just doesn't have the effect of revving to 3000 and launching. Even then it doesn't really launch like dropping the clutch.

I get better 60' times when using launch control. Not by much though - a tenth or two tenths of a second faster but it's pretty consistently faster than just stomping from a dead stop.

**sacandagaD** · 12-05-2014 07:57 AM

Don't see why they couldn't reset it and then just TD1 the car. Anyone launching that much has probably already modded their car and doesn't worry about warranty anyway.

**infinkc** · 11-10-2014 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

I must say, these cars are proving to be rather bullet proof. I just found out(at the track unfortunately) my car has hit it's 200 max launches.

My transmission has been bullet proof to this day. I realy think the 2012's had a lot of issues sorted out. Anyway, going to see if I can have GIAC reset this, and keep torture testing parts out. Extremely impressed with this car.

:)

My friend had GIAC, they couldnt reset it, he had the dealer do it, Think the dealer had to replace the whole mech unit to do so! Best of luck, he argued that no where does the car say there is a limit, so they had to reset it/replace the mech unit.

**Jones2012s4** · 11-10-2014 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by jlaudio

Just another reason to buy 6mt - LC is only a temporary feature.
I wonder if the tuners can figure out a way to lift the cap on DSG tunes/cars?

Lol not even remotely close to being another reason to buy a 6mt.

I doubt 99% of drivers will ever reach this. I go to the drag strip regularly, that's the only reason I hit the max. I have over 500 crank HP and guessing over 400 ft/lb of torque, and daily drive it.

Let's see a 6mt hold up to that for long.

Just another reason to buy the DSG actually.

**d.p** · 11-10-2014 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

Lol not even remotely close to being another reason to buy a 6mt.

I doubt 99% of drivers will ever reach this. I go to the drag strip regularly, that's the only reason I hit the max. I have over 500 crank HP and guessing over 400 ft/lb of torque, and daily drive it.

Let's see a 6mt hold up to that for long.

Just another reason to buy the DSG actually.

Don't hate man! haha

**Jones2012s4** · 11-10-2014 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by d.p

Don't hate man! haha

Oh def not hating! I love manual transmission, every car I have owned until this one has been manual.

Just pointing out in my post the solidity of the DSG if it doesn't already have any underlying issues.

If you factor in cost of upgrading clutch and flywheel and labor for the install along with time, the added cost of the DSG out of the box is nullified.

This is cost vs cost, nothing to do wit the rewarding feeling of banging the gears out.

**d.p** · 11-10-2014 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

Oh def not hating! I love manual transmission, every car I have owned until this one has been manual.

Just pointing out in my post the solidity of the DSG if it doesn't already have any underlying issues.

If you factor in cost of upgrading clutch and flywheel and labor for the install along with time, the added cost of the DSG out of the box is nullified.

This is cost vs cost, nothing to do wit the rewarding feeling of banging the gears out.

Is a new flywheel really necessary though? And I was just giving you shit cause I have a 6MT.

**Jones2012s4** · 11-10-2014 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by d.p

Is a new flywheel really necessary though? And I was just giving you shit cause I have a 6MT.

No I know, I got your button push lol.

Flywheel is not necessary either.

**gendry** · 11-10-2014 03:35 PM

Yeah 6MT fan here but from what I have read on this board I don't think my clutch would last nearly that long if I tried launching like that on my manual 200+ times...

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

Lol not even remotely close to being another reason to buy a 6mt.

I doubt 99% of drivers will ever reach this. I go to the drag strip regularly, that's the only reason I hit the max. I have over 500 crank HP and guessing over 400 ft/lb of torque, and daily drive it.

Let's see a 6mt hold up to that for long.

Just another reason to buy the DSG actually.

**jlaudio** · 11-10-2014 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

Lol not even remotely close to being another reason to buy a 6mt.

I doubt 99% of drivers will ever reach this. I go to the drag strip regularly, that's the only reason I hit the max. I have over 500 crank HP and guessing over 400 ft/lb of torque, and daily drive it.

Let's see a 6mt hold up to that for long.

Just another reason to buy the DSG actually.

not to make this dsg vs 6mt, but i don't agree with you, especially when buying used. the only way to know if LC has been used when buying used is using VCDS and doing a scan. not many dealers will allow you to do this. the same risk is also true for manuals because you don't know how the PO drove the car and treated the clutch, but you can usually tell by the feel of the clutch.

now that eurocode has a stage 1-5 solution out for our cars, a clutch swap vs upgrading the DSG with the higher rated clutch packs... IMO 6mt is still mo betta considering the mechatronic issues and whatnot.

and yes, i have my flame suit on

/edit - and yes i know its just about entirely personal preference at this point

**MrFunk** · 11-10-2014 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

Lol not even remotely close to being another reason to buy a 6mt.

I doubt 99% of drivers will ever reach this. I go to the drag strip regularly, that's the only reason I hit the max. I have over 500 crank HP and guessing over 400 ft/lb of torque, and daily drive it.

Let's see a 6mt hold up to that for long.

Just another reason to buy the DSG actually.

Mine is going strong ;) & never slipped/burned once... as good as day 1 when I bought the car.
I don't launch my car though.

I've said it before but I'll say it again... the 12's are the best of the B8's (including facelift MY's)...

**chaos2984** · 11-11-2014 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by MrFunk

Mine is going strong ;) & never slipped/burned once... as good as day 1 when I bought the car.
I don't launch my car though.

I've said it before but I'll say it again... the 12's are the best of the B8's (including facelift MY's)...

I don't know about all that. They changed the DSG again for the B8.5's and i don't think there are not that many issues with the DSG in those. Ive had no issues with mine. The MMI is a lot better with the B8.5 I think the real only issue with the facelifts was the steering issue on the P+ 13 cars. Mine has no signs or issues with the steering. I love the steering.

**raudiace4** · 11-10-2014 02:10 PM

DSG FTW. Damn impressive how tough it is, taking all that abuse and helping you run record times.

Awesome.

**jpmorais** · 11-10-2014 02:57 PM

How do you check how many have you used?
I do have vcds but i never knew there was a way to check it. Thanks

**408Tyler** · 11-10-2014 03:47 PM

Damn, I've never used it once in 10 months :/

**VenturiRS** · 11-10-2014 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by 408Tyler

Damn, I've never used it once in 10 months :/

I tried it twice. I think I did it wrong, because I never got the beep or the speed limit reached notification and it felt the same as flooring it. I'll try to find a straightaway and try again.

**jrabakker** · 11-10-2014 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by VenturiRS

I tried it twice. I think I did it wrong, because I never got the beep or the speed limit reached notification and it felt the same as flooring it. I'll try to find a straightaway and try again.

Did your revs go up to about 3000 while your foot is still on the break? If not then its not an actual launch.

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**rs4dreams** · 11-11-2014 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by jrabakker

Did your revs go up to about 3000 while your foot is still on the break? If not then its not an actual launch.

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Though sadly, it will still register as one. I only have 3-4 "real" LC launches where I let it rev to 3000 and release the brake. However, I also have a bunch of launches where I use the 2 pedal technique: aggressively mash the throttle while releasing the brake with the left foot. I checked my LC counter in VCDS and it read something like 52 launches. Very disappointing.

**levigarrett** · 12-05-2014 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by 408Tyler

Damn, I've never used it once in 10 months :/

I've got 4 launches in 14 months and I don't think I'll ever do it again. I don't find it all that compelling but I also to go to the strip.

**saw76** · 11-11-2014 04:38 AM

I'm not sure of the B8 S4's ( mine is a 6mt) but I know we had a DSG tune put on the wife's A3 from APR and they lifted the limit and made it unlimited .
The APR DSG tune was the best thing ever for her car .

**Skywagon** · 11-11-2014 06:15 AM

Sometime ago, on this website, someone posted a dealer work sheet showing the counter as being reset?

**PitchS4** · 11-11-2014 06:47 AM

That is BS. Understand if the car is under warranty but if not then you should be able to do whatever you want. I wonder if this is disclosed anywhere in the manual?

**Frinkferta** · 11-11-2014 08:33 AM

Bought an S4 w/35k miles on it. Launch control counter was at 0. The previous owner did not know how to have fun with his S4!....I fixed that.

**LINDW4LL** · 12-04-2014 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jones2012s4

I just found out(at the track unfortunately) my car has hit it's 200 max launches.

Anyway, going to see if I can have GIAC reset this.

Any luck with having the launch counter reset/raised?

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**FireBall'** · 12-04-2014 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by LINDW4LL

Any luck with having the launch counter reset/raised?

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+1

Curious as well!

**Jones2012s4** · 12-04-2014 09:00 PM

Nothing yet guys, not sure if this will ever happen. I will def keep you guys posted.

**anerbe** · 12-05-2014 07:55 AM

To add a bit of fuel to the fire for DSG/6MT:

DSG, besides launch control counter, on a stock car, there's not many options to really abuse the trans. You are still limited by the system on aggressiveness of clutch, RPM cutoff, etc...

Now on a MT, driving different cars of the same models, the feeling/actuation/etc... can vary tremendously based on how the past owner drove the car. Syncros, clutch grab point, smoothness of clutch pedal, noises, noises/chatter, etc... not to mention over-rev potential.

With DSG, on a stock car, you are going to get a pretty consistent experience. With a MT, it takes one bad driving day to really change the feel/performance of the clutch/gear change.

With that said, if I had a choice to not be so practical, I'd probably get an MT in this car.