Advice vs a 2012 Dodge Challenger R/T

[GalaxyS4]

An old friend of mine wants to meet up and hit the track this weekend. He has a 2012 Dodge Challenger R/T and is hell bent on racing me. He's definetly not stock. He claims to have "450hp at the wheels, dino verified" (yes he spelled dyno that way). I know him pretty well and he's obviously not the brightest guy, nor a pro driver, and he's def not rich. All I have is a roc euro intake. So what do you guys think my chances are? He wants to bet $. Are there any inexpensive mods to add some more HP as well? How much is stage 1? Lol Thanks guys.

[SwankPeRFection]

You prolly will lose with no flash and the low redline on your B8.5. Unless you cut the hell out of the light and he hesitates a bit, you'll lose.

Race him in the rain. Lol. Winner!

[tgsweat]

I know some one with a challenger r/t stock and he's done around 13.3 (can't remember exactly). But i've seen numbers between 13.1 or so and 13.8. So pretty much what our s4 runs. If hes not stock, then i say don't do it lol

[VADERS4]

Your problem is not knowing what he has done to his car!! If it's a stock SE (NOT AN SRT8), he has no chance....period!! They are in the 6+ second range, 0-60. But he could have a 100+ shot of Nitrous and even things up in a hurry!! They are no where near 450hp stock (SE) so he (if being truthful) obviously has SOMETHING done to the car!! Without knowing....well, it's your money!!!!

[chet]

Pay $2k for Stage II or whatever it costs, bet that amount, and when you win you can tell him he paid for your tune. :)

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[VADERS4]

If you go to the Challenger forums, the SRT8's are only running 13's (completely stock). I doubt an SE will get anywhere near that!

[moose_head]

If you go to the Challenger forums, the SRT8's are only running 13's (completely stock). I doubt an SE will get anywhere near that!

R/T is not SE.

- SE/RALLYE (PLUS packs) 3.6 V6 Pentastar 3,604 cc (219.9 cu in) 292 hp (218 kW) at 6350 rpm 260 pound-feet (350 N·m) at 4800 rpm 2011–

- R/T 5.7 L V8 HEMI 5,654 cc (345.0 cu in) 370 hp (280 kW) at 5250 rpm 395 pound-feet (536 N·m) at 4200 rpm 2011–

- SRT-8 6.4 L V8 HEMI 6,409 cc (391.1 cu in) 470 hp (350 kW) 470 pound-feet (640 N·m) 2012–2014 / 485 hp (362 kW) 475 pound-feet (644 N·m) 2015–

- SRT Hellcat 6.2 L V8 HEMI 6,162 cc (376.0 cu in) 707 hp (527 kW) at 6000 rpm 650 pound-feet (880 N·m) at 4000 rpm 2015–

Edit: This is the Charger lineup, oops, but almost the same

[tgsweat]

If you go to the Challenger forums, the SRT8's are only running 13's (completely stock). I doubt an SE will get anywhere near that!

I thought srt8's were in the mid 12 range.

[jlaudio]

R/T has the 5.7L Hemi, 375 stock to the wheels. See the first comment here to show a breakdown of what you could be up against.. Definitely not 450 to the wheels unless he has boost.

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...-12-r-t-94737/

My 12 5.7 vvt auto with K&N CAI and cat back only gave me 320rwhp and 343rwtq

The diablo 91oct can tune with same mods as below gave me about 350rwhp and 385rwtq

Now with a custom tune on the same dyno with K&N cai, jba short headers, 180 Tstat and cat back on 91 oct fuel gave me 372.7rwhp and 410rwtq

About 53 RWHP and 67FT LBS from stock with bolt ons isn't too bad in my book

[raudiace4]

An old friend of mine wants to meet up and hit the track this weekend. He has a 2012 Dodge Challenger R/T and is hell bent on racing me. He's definetly not stock. He claims to have "450hp at the wheels, dino verified" (yes he spelled dyno that way). I know him pretty well and he's obviously not the brightest guy, nor a pro driver, and he's def not rich. All I have is a roc euro intake. So what do you guys think my chances are? He wants to bet $. Are there any inexpensive mods to add some more HP as well? How much is stage 1? Lol Thanks guys.

Stock R/Ts are slow. Find out what he did to get the 450whp, but either way he will reel you in very fast on the strip. Your best bet is LC and him spinning.

Intake won't really net you much.

[raudiace4]

Pay $2k for Stage II or whatever it costs, bet that amount, and when you win you can tell him he paid for your tune. :)

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+1000

Lol this.

[Jones2012s4]

Here is my car with just an intake, and exhaust vs an SRT from a low rolling start.


http://youtu.be/yIWyd3Lh5JQ

[GalaxyS4]

Pay $2k for Stage II or whatever it costs, bet that amount, and when you win you can tell him he paid for your tune. :)

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Hahaha. This is brilliant. I'll try...

On a serious note though i read up on this thread linked below. It looks about even if we were both stock but given he has about 80 more HP i'll probably lose :-(

http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...ock-r-t-99526/

[mrmomo313]

If he's making 450 at the wheel, he prob has intake, exhaust, headers, an aggressive cam and a tune.

I have a charger r/t also thats full bolt on and its significantly faster than a stock r/t. if he's really pushing 450 at the wheel you will get SMOKED with only an intake.

I've beat stock SRT challys with the 392 from a dig to 70 when I was bone stock (with my s4)

[fitzydude]

Yeah I just have an intake and I was pretty even with an SRT8 on the freeway. I really think it will be close, if not you beating him if doesn't drive perfectly...

[mrmomo313]

My advice, convince him to run from a dig. The hemi's are roll on monsters as they make their peak power up top right at 4k to redline and with the powers he's got you will get annihilated. From a dig with LC you stand a fighting chance if he can't hook up

[GalaxyS4]

If he's making 450 at the wheel, he prob has intake, exhaust, headers, an aggressive cam and a tune.

I have a charger r/t also thats full bolt on and its significantly faster than a stock r/t. if he's really pushing 450 at the wheel you will get SMOKED with only an intake.

I've beat stock SRT challys with the 392 from a dig to 70 when I was bone stock (with my s4)

I'm confused you said i would get smoked but then you said you beat SRTs (470hp) before?

[mrmomo313]

I'm confused you said i would get smoked but then you said you beat SRTs (470hp) before?

Yea, he's clearly making some serious power if he can back it up with a dyno to show 450 at the wheels. Stock SRT's make 415 at the wheel FYI so he's pushing more power than a stock SRT. So the only way a stock s4 could put up a fight with his car is from a dig and you gotta pray he doesn't hook up haha

[GalaxyS4]

My advice, convince him to run from a dig. The hemi's are roll on monsters as they make their peak power up top right at 4k to redline and with the powers he's got you will get annihilated. From a dig with LC you stand a fighting chance if he can't hook up

By all means it would be from the dig. This is my biggest advantage. I've raced him before (different cars) always from the dig. We've never done rolling starts.

[mrmomo313]

By all means it would be from the dig. This is my biggest advantage. I've raced him before (different cars) always from the dig. We've never done rolling starts.

Well I wish you the best of luck! I feel like he'll take it pretty easily if he knows how to drive it. If you were stg 2 I'd root for you but it would be sad if he lost to a stock s4 with that much power. Either way should be fun, be safe and let us know how it goes!!

[VADERS4]

R/T is not SE.

- SE/RALLYE (PLUS packs) 3.6 V6 Pentastar 3,604 cc (219.9 cu in) 292 hp (218 kW) at 6350 rpm 260 pound-feet (350 N·m) at 4800 rpm 2011–

- R/T 5.7 L V8 HEMI 5,654 cc (345.0 cu in) 370 hp (280 kW) at 5250 rpm 395 pound-feet (536 N·m) at 4200 rpm 2011–

- SRT-8 6.4 L V8 HEMI 6,409 cc (391.1 cu in) 470 hp (350 kW) 470 pound-feet (640 N·m) 2012–2014 / 485 hp (362 kW) 475 pound-feet (644 N·m) 2015–

- SRT Hellcat 6.2 L V8 HEMI 6,162 cc (376.0 cu in) 707 hp (527 kW) at 6000 rpm 650 pound-feet (880 N·m) at 4000 rpm 2015–

I wrote S/E and meant R/T but by all means...thanks for the lesson in all things Challengers!! I have two friends with 3 challengers...on S/E and one R/T and the other with a SRT-8. The SRT8 is the quickest of the bunch and stock, they are running in the 13's!! Just go to any of the Dodge or Challenger forums and it's all there! Modded is a different story!!

[firstars]

Rented a Challenger R/T once, thing was a pig. Power felt like a V6, I actually had to open the hood to make sure it had a V8 under there. Transmission was clunky and horrible, couldn't see shit out the back windows, horrible fit and finish...but still made sure to do smoky burnouts at every light and a few donuts in a gravel parking lot!

[hodrosS42001]

An old friend of mine wants to meet up and hit the track this weekend. He has a 2012 Dodge Challenger R/T and is hell bent on racing me. He's definetly not stock. He claims to have "450hp at the wheels, dino verified" (yes he spelled dyno that way). I know him pretty well and he's obviously not the brightest guy, nor a pro driver, and he's def not rich. All I have is a roc euro intake. So what do you guys think my chances are? He wants to bet $. Are there any inexpensive mods to add some more HP as well? How much is stage 1? Lol Thanks guys.

What has he had done to the Challenger... to make 450 wheel it is either blown or has some engine work done ie. (cams)

A stock R/T wont take a Stock B8 S4.. they are slow. I have literally destroyed them in my B5 S4. I even take SRT8's.. and they don't even dyno 450whp. And I am only ~360-370 whp on pump

[MrFunk]

Stock for stock - yeah worth the bet - would be close... from DIG you may have an edge with AWD.
Stock (you) for heavily modded - bet if you're dumb... Wait until you are stage 2 running the race file then it's in your court again...otherwise he's just looking to embarrass you.

OR - take it to a proper track and see how that boat of his does around some curves.

[RudyH]

I would have to dig up the slip, but I am pretty sure I had a R/T by over a second.
I also am not stock...

The S4 is fast stock not ground breaking. I think most can attest though, it is VERY fast when you tune it...

[elite-fusion]

Please post back and let us know what happened, if you have a go-pro, would love to see :)

[SwissBliss]

Stage 2 for the win!

[rlfletch]

Take him to a track with turns.

[GalaxyS4]

Please post back and let us know what happened, if you have a go-pro, would love to see :)

No GoPro... But when it does happen it will be recorded and I'll update this thread. Hopefully it goes well. I'm not going to bet any $ so it'll be all in good fun. If I get smoked though you'll probably see me asking about going stage 2.

[SwissBliss]

I got the stage 2 and DSG tune, revo and I would eat that RT Challenger would be a good run but Charger is a bit too heavy.

[GalaxyS4]

I got the stage 2 and DSG tune, revo and I would eat that RT Challenger would be a good run but Charger is a bit too heavy.

I would love to have you there as back up. haha.

[IanVr6]

An old friend of mine wants to meet up and hit the track this weekend. He has a 2012 Dodge Challenger R/T and is hell bent on racing me. He's definetly not stock. He claims to have "450hp at the wheels, dino verified" (yes he spelled dyno that way). I know him pretty well and he's obviously not the brightest guy, nor a pro driver, and he's def not rich. All I have is a roc euro intake. So what do you guys think my chances are? He wants to bet $. Are there any inexpensive mods to add some more HP as well? How much is stage 1? Lol Thanks guys.

You don't need to be rich to make a Challenger R/T fast.

If you're gonna bet, don't bet more than 20 bucks. If you're stock, you may lose.

[GalaxyS4]

So I'm going to delay this race till the beginning of Nov. In the meantime I think I'm going to take advantage of the GIAC special in the thread below and give this guy a sweet surprise and stage 2 his ass. :-)

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...WE-Pulley-Kits

[Frinkferta]

Challengers are big and clumsy. If he claims to have 450 WHP, he would either have: SC, nitrous, or motor work. Headers, intake would maybe gain him 20HP or so. Our cars are so quick off the line with instant torque and power going to all 4 wheels. If you are planning on racing from street light to street light, you would destroy him.