GoddammitI'msickofCEL's!!!!!

[old guy]

So I did a lot of driving today. Got gas three times. After the first restart I got a P0011 (Cam over-advanced) with a pending P0340 (position sensor malfunction). Reset the code and continued on. Second and third refill I got a P0012 (retarded camshaft). Well actually "Advance Setpoint not Reached (Over-Retarded)" but you get the idea. Sounds like a retarded camshaft to me.

Sigh.... Time to figure out if it's a problem with the cam adjuster that I just replaced last month (with an OEM part) or an issue with the cam position sensor. Keep this up you stupid A4 and I'm going to replace your ass soon with an upgraded model.

[Seerlah]

That's just your car trying to show you affection. Tough love! lol

[gotboost]

I was getting the p0011 code also, on its own though. Replaced the cam chain tensioner and no more. Good luck on the repair!

[old guy]

I was getting the p0011 code also, on its own though. Replaced the cam chain tensioner and no more. Good luck on the repair!

I'm guessing that the new cam adjuster I just replaced is probably the problem. I'm going to switch out the actuator solenoid from the old one to the new one in the morning before I go to work to see it that makes any difference. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes with a cold engine. Fingers crossed.

[Toolaa]

Keep this up you stupid A4 and I'm going to replace your ass soon with an upgraded model.

I think you are being a bit harsh




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[old guy]

But I've treated her so nice over the years........Is this how she repays me?????

[Dubsport Inc]

Wow... never thought I would see Fletcher post this...

[Spike00513]

Just one day before this, you told me about how you wanted to get rid of her. Mere coincidence? I think not. She knows. She can sense it.

[Willënskraft]

All cars are like women. There all friggin nuts, but we still love em' in the end

[SlickFix]

This thread just goes to show that everyone has their breaking point. Even calm, level-headed oldguy. Best of luck getting rid of the codes, sir.

[Elliott]

OG, what model would replace your current B6? I could see you going B8 with a nice tune.

[elewsader]

I think you need an S3..

[4Rings6Stars]

I think you need an S3..

I lost interest in the A3/S3 and TT when I learned that they use the Haldex / vw style "all wheel drive" / glorified traction control instead of the proper quattro. Quattro is my favorite thing about Audis...

[Toolaa]

All cars are like women. There all friggin nuts, but we still love em' in the end

I always thought it was the other way around. Women were like german cars.

1) They look great when you get them but after 10 years you have this burning desire to get a new one.
2) They cost way more time and money than you think they are going to cost.
3) You have to get you hands and head into all kinds of hard to reach places but it never seems to be quite enough to get the job done.
4) You have to work your ass off all week long to afford one and the when you are looking forward to a nice relaxing weekend you find this huge list if stuff that you suddenly have to do.




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[n7plus1]

So I did a lot of driving today. Got gas three times. After the first restart I got a P0011 (Cam over-advanced) with a pending P0340 (position sensor malfunction). Reset the code and continued on. Second and third refill I got a P0012 (retarded camshaft). Well actually "Advance Setpoint not Reached (Over-Retarded)" but you get the idea. Sounds like a retarded camshaft to me.

Sigh.... Time to figure out if it's a problem with the cam adjuster that I just replaced last month (with an OEM part) or an issue with the cam position sensor. Keep this up you stupid A4 and I'm going to replace your ass soon with an upgraded model.

I got an intermittent code for this. cleared it and it hasnt come back.

[old guy]

OG, what model would replace your current B6? I could see you going B8 with a nice tune.

I was thinking an A3 but lately I'm leaning toward a new A5 (to be modded) or a lightly used S5 and just run it as is.

[old guy]

I got an intermittent code for this. cleared it and it hasnt come back.

Mine keeps coming back every time I restart the engine. Didn't have time to change out the solenoid this morning but will do it tonight when I get home.

[CO AVANT]

I'm getting a cam over advance code after my current rebuild. Same code as I had on my last motor. This motor is completely different internals though. Also now using stock cams instead of Cat. Using a new OEM chain tensioner with new chain. My cam timing is spot on along with my engine timing. Tried new cam position sensor, & hall windows. Haven't tried my other solenoid for the chain tensioner, but it didn't fix it when I had this code on my last motor. I'm starting to think there is a ghost code in my tune or something. I've literally gone over everything. I guess I could try messing with my adjustable cam sproket. It's set a 0 right now. My car runs and idles perfect, so I dunno...

[Willënskraft]

I was thinking an A3 but lately I'm leaning toward a new A5 (to be modded) or a lightly used S5 and just run it as is.

RS5?

[n7plus1]

Mine keeps coming back every time I restart the engine. Didn't have time to change out the solenoid this morning but will do it tonight when I get home.

Is the solenoid a common issue here instead of changing out the entire CCT?

My cold starts are kin'dve noisy but it goes away after a couple seconds of first starting.

[Charles.waite]

I was thinking an A3 but lately I'm leaning toward a new A5 (to be modded) or a lightly used S5 and just run it as is.

The newest gen TFSI motors are absolutely nuts with just a simple tune. Either the 1.8t or 2.0t A3s could be pretty damn awesome cars with a simple Stage 1 flash. And the new TFSIs have really done well to mitigate the teething issues of the fist gen 2.0t.

That being said I'm less a fan of the newer Audis than the b6/7 gen. Not sure what it is, but something about the styling seems too shouty, too aggressive. Too many creases and scoops. Its just not as reserved and stealth as the b6 or b7.

[old guy]

RS5?

That would certainly be sweet but with a price tag starting at $70k I think I would be better off putting more toward retirement and less toward my toys.

That being said I'm less a fan of the newer Audis than the b6/7 gen. Not sure what it is, but something about the styling seems too shouty, too aggressive. Too many creases and scoops. Its just not as reserved and stealth as the b6 or b7.

I agree with you Charles. I think the B6 was one of the classiest A4 platforms. But I actually like the B8 more than the B7. The B7 looks like a bastardized (or should I say stylized) version of the B6. The B8 differs enough to be considered a totally new styling platform. Sometimes you just have to go with the flow as the old styling cues start to show their age. I don't like it but at some point I have to face the reality that it's time to move on.

[Charles.waite]

That would certainly be sweet but with a price tag starting at $70k I think I would be better off putting more toward retirement and less toward my toys.



I agree with you Charles. I think the B6 was one of the classiest A4 platforms. But I actually like the B8 more than the B7. The B7 looks like a bastardized (or should I say stylized) version of the B6. The B8 differs enough to be considered a totally new styling platform. But sometimes you just have to go with the flow as the old styling cues start to show their age. I don't like it but at some point I have to face the reality that it's time to move on.

The only b7 I like is the s-line avant (pretty much the one I own, haha). I think the sedans are weirdly proportioned. But yea I agree the b7 is sort of an "over styled" b6.

[n7plus1]

The only b7 I like is the s-line avant (pretty much the one I own, haha). I think the sedans are weirdly proportioned. But yea I agree the b7 is sort of an "over styled" b6.

agreed.

[SlickFix]

I just don't like the rear end of the B8 A4 and S4. When I move up to the B8 generation, it'll probably be for an S5.

[JEENYUS]

The only b7 I like is the s-line avant (pretty much the one I own, haha). I think the sedans are weirdly proportioned. But yea I agree the b7 is sort of an "over styled" b6.

I agree as well. It's the same chassis and most of the parts or interchangeable.

[drjonez]

Easy fix for the CEL problem....just have enough codes present to leave it on all the time. You learn to ignore it. ;)

[NathanGrayW]

Easy fix for the CEL problem....just have enough codes present to leave it on all the time. You learn to ignore it. ;)

This is what I've done with my SAI code.

[heywier427]

I average 430+/- per tank on non stops trips, so unless your not filling up when empty... holy sh!t you iron butt you!

[old guy]

I average 430+/- per tank on non stops trips, so unless your not filling up when empty... holy sh!t you iron butt you!

I started off with less than ¼ tank. Filled up once on the way down and once on the way back so I got back home with about ¾ tank. Consequently three fill ups but I didn’t run out three tanks of gas. Covered about 600 miles and averaged ~27 mpg.

I went to change the solenoid out but it ended up being much harder to get to than I anticipated. All of the block breather hoses are in the way of the lower Allen screw. I decided to just wait until tomorrow when my cam position sensor shows up. I don’t think that sensor is going to fix it but it’s a quick swap. If it doesn’t I will swap out the solenoid this weekend.

[old guy]

Just a follow up. I swapped out the cam adjuster actuator solenoid today. What I though would be a quick 10 minute job turned out to be a 3 hour job just to remove and replace the two T20 torx screws holding the solenoid in place. The top one is easy to get to. The bottom one is a different story. I was able to contort my arm around enough to get the solenoid off. Of course when I removed the solenoid the O ring and one of the torx screws fell down on the back of the engine. I was able to find them using a flashlight and pulled them out with flexible claw pick up tool.

I ended up using a dab of super glue to hold the O ring in place for reassembly. To get the lower screw in place I had to remove all of the block breathers on the back side of the engine so I could get a straight shot at it. By all I mean all. The PRV, SJP, brake booster connections, N112/N249 vacuum supply hose and the fresh air supply to the SJP. I also had to move the fuel supply line out of the way. I then taped the Torx screw to the Torx driver to I wouldn't drop it again while trying to get it started.

About the time I got that all zipped up my new cam position sensor arrived. Fortunately that one actually is a 10 minute job. Went ahead and replaced the sensor.

Bottom line: Drove the car around and stopped/restarted the engine 5 times. So far no CEL!! I don't know which one fixed it and I really don't care as long as my CEL stays off. One interesting observation: Before I made these two changes the Secondary Air System Readiness would not reset. This time it reset after the second restart. The cam advance is an integral part of the SAI system so that is a good sign that I may have corrected the problem.

Got my fingers crossed!

[boy412]

Mine are too sir!

[n7plus1]

boo, hiss!

no DIY?

[1/4 scale]

Glad you fixed it. (knocking on wood) Stay B6 Old Guy ...

[old guy]

Sigh....... CEL for over-advanced cam is back with a vengeance. As soon as I clear it it comes right back. I suspect the "new" cam chain tensioner I purchased is defective. The SAI will no longer reset and the acceleration goes flat at 5,500 rpm. I ordered a replacement along with a new chain and new cam cap bolts. Parts should be in tomorrow. I'm going to try to take off Thursday or Friday and replace all that crap again.

This is getting tedious......

[Charles.waite]

Sigh....... CEL for over-advanced cam is back with a vengeance. As soon as I clear it it comes right back. I suspect the "new" cam chain tensioner I purchased is defective. The SAI will no longer reset and the acceleration goes flat at 5,500 rpm. I ordered a replacement along with a new chain and new cam cap bolts. Parts should be in tomorrow. I'm going to try to take off Thursday or Friday and replace all that crap again.

This is getting tedious......

At least its a simple process. Doing this on the 2.0t would require removing the head as you need to unbolt the cam variator from the back on the exhaust cam...

But seriously no fun...

[old guy]

At least its a simple process. Doing this on the 2.0t would require removing the head as you need to unbolt the cam variator from the back on the exhaust cam...

But seriously no fun...

I hate doing shit twice. And this time I will have to remove both cams since I'm replacing the chain along with the cam adjuster. But certainly better than removing the head.

[Charles.waite]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of tool do you use to pull the cam sprocket off?

But yea having to remove the cams means a good deal more work for sure...

[diagnosticator]

I'm getting a cam over advance code after my current rebuild. Same code as I had on my last motor. This motor is completely different internals though. Also now using stock cams instead of Cat. Using a new OEM chain tensioner with new chain. My cam timing is spot on along with my engine timing. Tried new cam position sensor, & hall windows. Haven't tried my other solenoid for the chain tensioner, but it didn't fix it when I had this code on my last motor. I'm starting to think there is a ghost code in my tune or something. I've literally gone over everything. I guess I could try messing with my adjustable cam sproket. It's set a 0 right now. My car runs and idles perfect, so I dunno...

Jeeze, haven't seen you post for several years on here Jordan! Been enslaved satisfying a tribe of Amazons?

Have you compared the adjustable sprocket set to Zero, with an OE cam sprocket, comparing the key slot position alignment with the timing mark on the sprocket rim and the belt teeth position relative to the key slot and the timing mark position? I am curios if the adjustable sprocket set to zero is the same angular position of the key slot and timing mark and sprocket teeth, as the OE sprocket.

[diagnosticator]

The newest gen TFSI motors are absolutely nuts with just a simple tune. Either the 1.8t or 2.0t A3s could be pretty damn awesome cars with a simple Stage 1 flash. And the new TFSIs have really done well to mitigate the teething issues of the fist gen 2.0t.

That being said I'm less a fan of the newer Audis than the b6/7 gen. Not sure what it is, but something about the styling seems too shouty, too aggressive. Too many creases and scoops. Its just not as reserved and stealth as the b6 or b7.

Yeah, the B7 was a pointless styling change, just to conform to the styling mandate decision for all Audis to have the over emphasized whale maw grill treatment, a look i still don't like. The B8 is just a train wreck of an over styled forced attempt to move upscale the popular impression of Audis as more aggressive and in the same styling mess a lot of cars are afflicted with these days.

Our B6s are the most highly developed example of the traditional Audi unique application of the Bauhaus School exemplifying the subtle elegance of understated style, IMO.