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    Everyone including you should pony up $500 for a track weekend. You'll leave with an informed view on how 35 cars can cooperatively share a 2 mile road course and learn at different paces. It may surprise you that it takes every adult learner about 1000 laps pick it up.

    I'll give you a point by so I can learn from your driving. I do it for the A4 guys, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    Everyone including you should pony up $500 for a track weekend. You'll leave with an informed view on how 35 cars can cooperatively share a 2 mile road course and learn at different paces. It may surprise you that it takes every adult learner about 1000 laps pick it up.

    I'll give you a point by so I can learn from your driving. I do it for the A4 guys, too.
    Sure. $300 normally covers the registration fee. But that won't cover my consumables. Tires (about $1000 for a set of hoosiers), brake pads (one set every two race weekends), fuel (lots of laps = lots of gas).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpbadonk View Post
    Sure. $300 normally covers the registration fee. But that won't cover my consumables. Tires (about $1000 for a set of hoosiers), brake pads (one set every two race weekends), fuel (lots of laps = lots of gas).
    Well, $300 gets you track time but you really want a school like BMW CCA or Audi Club. The car isn't going to go around the track fast without an instructor. So the reg is about $500 for 2 days. OEM tires are suitable for a first year. If there's 150 cars you might see 3 of them running Hoosiers? Endurance pads last about 15 track days at an advanced level. Again, not something you need your first season.

    You'll use about 12 gallons of gas a day, so $50 worth.

    Don't build it up too much in your head. It's a driver education event. It's lucky that it's on a road course instead of in a parking lot, but not too different in principle. Put it this way: it costs less than a speeding ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    Everyone including you should pony up $500 for a track weekend. You'll leave with an informed view on how 35 cars can cooperatively share a 2 mile road course and learn at different paces. It may surprise you that it takes every adult learner about 1000 laps pick it up.

    I'll give you a point by so I can learn from your driving. I do it for the A4 guys, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpbadonk View Post
    Sure. $300 normally covers the registration fee. But that won't cover my consumables. Tires (about $1000 for a set of hoosiers), brake pads (one set every two race weekends), fuel (lots of laps = lots of gas).

    LOL. West burned alive again. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    Well, $300 gets you track time but you really want a school like BMW CCA or Audi Club. The car isn't going to go around the track fast without an instructor. So the reg is about $500 for 2 days. OEM tires are suitable for a first year. If there's 150 cars you might see 3 of them running Hoosiers? Endurance pads last about 15 track days at an advanced level. Again, not something you need your first season.

    You'll use about 12 gallons of gas a day, so $50 worth.

    Don't build it up too much in your head. It's a driver education event. It's lucky that it's on a road course instead of in a parking lot, but not too different in principle. Put it this way: it costs less than a speeding ticket.
    I will drive cross country ($1300 in gas) Pay $300 for track fees, run shitty toyo proxes and stock pads and smoke you around the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    I'll give you a point by so I can learn from your driving. I do it for the A4 guys, too.
    Is that what you tell yourself when the "check your mirrors" flag is pointed at you... that you will give a point by so that ou can learn from them? Delusional as usual... How much can you learn if you can't keep up?

    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    Well, $300 gets you track time but you really want a school like BMW CCA or Audi Club. The car isn't going to go around the track fast without an instructor. So the reg is about $500 for 2 days. OEM tires are suitable for a first year. If there's 150 cars you might see 3 of them running Hoosiers? Endurance pads last about 15 track days at an advanced level. Again, not something you need your first season.

    You'll use about 12 gallons of gas a day, so $50 worth.

    Don't build it up too much in your head. It's a driver education event. It's lucky that it's on a road course instead of in a parking lot, but not too different in principle. Put it this way: it costs less than a speeding ticket.
    Here you go just making up numbers again... For kicks, I looked up the next Audi Club Golden Gate event... AudiFest, "The registration fee is $625 for students to attend the 2 day event". Then factor in consumables... 12 gallons of high octane is closer to $120. Don't forget hotel costs. Travel expenses to/from Sonoma. It adds up... to double or triple your assertion.

    I'd go if I could guarantee that I got QUA77RO as my instructor. But I asked him about it already by PM and he replied that students/instructors don't have control over the pairings. What if I got stuck with you as an "instructor"? So much for "education". I can't imagine anyone having to endure you for a session much less 2 days of you just making up stuff on the fly, hoping that your student is too naive to know the truth? Hell, you are probably glued to your phone the whole weekend just coming up with new trolling threads/posts for Audizine. If I got stuck with a guy that thinks he's an instructor (like you) versus someone that actually knows what they are doing, I'd have wasted a minimum of $1200 for that weekend.

    I'll stick to private coaching and POC where I can guarantee that I am actually getting quality instruction not some "emperor who wears no clothes" type that thinks he has written the book on the B8 S4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost View Post
    Is that what you tell yourself when the "check your mirrors" flag is pointed at you... that you will give a point by so that ou can learn from them? Delusional as usual... How much can you learn if you can't keep up?


    Here you go just making up numbers again... For kicks, I looked up the next Audi Club Golden Gate event... AudiFest, "The registration fee is $625 for students to attend the 2 day event". Then factor in consumables... 12 gallons of high octane is closer to $120. Don't forget hotel costs. Travel expenses to/from Sonoma. It adds up... to double or triple your assertion.

    I'd go if I could guarantee that I got QUA77RO as my instructor. But I asked him about it already by PM and he replied that students/instructors don't have control over the pairings. What if I got stuck with you as an "instructor"? So much for "education". I can't imagine anyone having to endure you for a session much less 2 days of you just making up stuff on the fly, hoping that your student is too naive to know the truth? Hell, you are probably glued to your phone the whole weekend just coming up with new trolling threads/posts for Audizine. If I got stuck with a guy that thinks he's an instructor (like you) versus someone that actually knows what they are doing, I'd have wasted a minimum of $1200 for that weekend.

    I'll stick to private coaching and POC where I can guarantee that I am actually getting quality instruction not some "emperor who wears no clothes" type that thinks he has written the book on the B8 S4.
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    West thinks his throttle is binary. Stop talking to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanCH View Post
    West thinks his throttle is binary. Stop talking to him.
    Nobody talks to him.

    I just sort of post in his general direction knowing that his eyes and ears are actually closed while he thinks up some new trolling thread while tapping his desk.
    westwest888: "Well, it helps that I am sending compressed cool air into the engine instead of compressed 800 degree exhaust air. Typical BMW bullshit."
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    The fact is I have the best performing S4 on this board.
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    ...I'm a pretentious douche...

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    Well, $300 gets you track time but you really want a school like BMW CCA or Audi Club. The car isn't going to go around the track fast without an instructor. So the reg is about $500 for 2 days. OEM tires are suitable for a first year. If there's 150 cars you might see 3 of them running Hoosiers? Endurance pads last about 15 track days at an advanced level. Again, not something you need your first season.

    You'll use about 12 gallons of gas a day, so $50 worth.

    Don't build it up too much in your head. It's a driver education event. It's lucky that it's on a road course instead of in a parking lot, but not too different in principle. Put it this way: it costs less than a speeding ticket.
    Went right over your head maybe west? I'm a little beyond my first session - got tired of DEs a while ago after I was signed off to run in the advanced groups -- even in a rear wheel drive car. Built up a dedicated car and raced it with PCA. I, too, have been passed by faster drivers (you notice I don't call out the car because lots of people drive fast cars slowly).

    And I have had my S4 on the track - bone stock. It was a blast having that much HP for sure. I used more than 12 gallons over 4 sessions (30 minutes each) in a half day - which I think cost me $90. Must be some miracle that you get by on 12 gallons in a full day? The brakes were generally ok although I did baby them - and they weren't happy on the street for the next few weeks as the pad deposits on the rotors wore away.

    My original point is that you are a track noob. And there are others that can say the same about me with the seat time to back it up...there's always a dog with a bigger bite. Spend more money on instruction, less on cosmetic and performance upgrades. Your S4 is incredibly capable (and safe) right off the showroom floor.
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    When you guys go the doctor and someone who is 32 is your anesthesiologist, do you call them a doctor noob and poke them in the eye before they put you under? Just want to know how everyone acts when they get up from the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    When you guys go the doctor and someone who is 32 is your anesthesiologist, do you call them a doctor noob and poke them in the eye before they put you under? Just want to know how everyone acts when they get up from the keyboard.
    Great analogy, noob. A 32-year old doctor who has just spent 8 years of his or her life learning a specialty (following 4-years of an undergrad degree) is a bit more qualified than what you're trying to depict. Nice try, though.

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    But he or she hasn't been a doctor since 1972 when there wasn't fancy surgery robots and embedded computers dispensing medicine, so we have to haze them. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    When you guys go the doctor and someone who is 32 is your anesthesiologist, do you call them a doctor noob and poke them in the eye before they put you under? Just want to know how everyone acts when they get up from the keyboard.
    ...irrelevant deflection.... predictable

    Quote Originally Posted by squashman View Post
    Great analogy, noob. A 32-year old doctor who has just spent 8 years of his or her life learning a specialty (following 4-years of an undergrad degree) is a bit more qualified than what you're trying to depict. Nice try, though.
    Exactly

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    But he or she hasn't been a doctor since 1972 when there wasn't fancy surgery robots and embedded computers dispensing medicine, so we have to haze them. Right?
    again....relevance FAIL


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    To: westwest888



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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisbryan89 View Post
    ooooh you guys are sooooo gonna get banned!
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    OK, how much does this one cost and where do you buy it from?...Caractere spoiler doesn't fit the S4!...this one looks like next best choice.
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    I actually believe that if you use spacers or wide wheels and tires that it has an effect on drag. Maybe it just regresses it from .29 to .30. Wheel arches are supposed to direct airflow around the wheels, which are a turbulent area. Getting that flush or flat look comes at a cost if you drive over 100 MPH. It's worth noting.

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    amazing how 99% of this thread has nothing to do with OSIR rear deck lid...does this rear deck spoiler fit flush?...high quality?..where is best place to buy?...cost?

    I don't care about drag and air turbulence!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    I actually believe that if you use spacers or wide wheels and tires that it has an effect on drag. Maybe it just regresses it from .29 to .30. Wheel arches are supposed to direct airflow around the wheels, which are a turbulent area. Getting that flush or flat look comes at a cost if you drive over 100 MPH. It's worth noting.
    No!!! The only reason wheels are set in further at stock are to allow for snow chains in European countries that require the capability to add chains by law.

    Are you trying to say that open wheel cars are not aerodynamic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianch View Post
    no!!! The only reason wheels are set in further at stock are to allow for snow chains in european countries that require the capability to add chains by law.

    Are you trying to say that open wheel cars are not aerodynamic?


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    Actually I believe F1 cars would be much more aerodynamic if they allowed wheel arches. There are rules against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanCH View Post
    No!!! The only reason wheels are set in further at stock are to allow for snow chains in European countries that require the capability to add chains by law.

    Are you trying to say that open wheel cars are not aerodynamic?

    Whether you just got trolled or not, to West's defense, there was actually nothing in his post that said open wheel cars are not aerodynamic. In fact, he specified "wheel arches". Are you trying say the pic above has wheel arches??? Because if it doesn't, well.....

    And I haven't done enough research on your first comment, but to say that's the ONLY reason rear wheels are like that? Can't say I buy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mact3333 View Post
    amazing how 99% of this thread has nothing to do with OSIR rear deck lid...does this rear deck spoiler fit flush?...high quality?..where is best place to buy?...cost?

    I don't care about drag and air turbulence!...
    Fit was perfect. Cost about $500 to my door. Had a body shop that does dealer aftermarket stuff glue it on. Gets the job done. Because racecar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwest888 View Post
    Fit was perfect. Cost about $500 to my door. Had a body shop that does dealer aftermarket stuff glue it on. Gets the job done. Because racecar.
    Wow you must have added like 70 horsepowers to your race car. vroom vroom

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    Its an a4, i bet it still couldn't beat you on the track even though it is specifically designed for the track.

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    On the RS3:

    When the car is traveling at about 155 mph, the air brake will reduce stopping distances by nearly 40 feet. The car's ESC can allocate more braking power to the rear axle thanks to the increased downforce.

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