car pushing coolant into oil pan?

[slomo]

I just sold my b5 stg 3 + s4 to a kid over the weekend. He dropped off a check and picked the car up on friday. then dropped the car off saturday night at midnight cancelled the check. I was told the car just stopped running so he had it towed to my house. bottom line is i got screwed. i marked the boost controller before he took the car and when i got it back it was turned up to 30psi.

when I looked under the hood the first thing i noticed was the coolant tank was dry... so i put coolant in it checked the oil and fired it up. no check engine no stored codes everything looked good. after about 5 minutes of running it took 2 gallons of coolant and the tank was empty again. so i thought this doesnt seem right and checked the oil. and sure enough it was way overfilled. so somewhere the car is pushing the coolant into the oil pan. I havent drivin the car since so the oil isnt frothy and it doesnt heat up at idle. so my question is... does this sound like a head gasket? or maybe a turbo seal? im at a loss and dont have the funds to pay a shop to fix it.

[getslideways]

Lesson learned, never take a personal check for an auto sale

Did you have a bill of sale with an as-is agreement?

You might want to start with a compression check.

[slomo]

this was kindve a buddy deal. ive known him for a long time didnt think there would be an issue. im going to do a compression test this weekend.

[Meow]

Head gasket. Did you have a bill of sale written up for it? If so, Sue him. Written contact can't just be undone like that from one party. He used to be your buddy. Now he fucked you. He broke the car and it's 100% his fault. Fuck him.

[slomo]

all i have is the title that was signed over to him which acts as a bill of sale in ca. even if i did sue him id probably only get a judgement for 20 bux a month which wont cover the cost of the repair up front

[pipe7284]

Is the oil colored light brown? Like a milky color to it? Or is.it.regular oil color, black

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[slomo]

i havent ran the car long enough for it to mix all the way but some leaked out of the vent tube. when it dried the outter ring was a blueish color and the inner part is def oil. so it seems like it s mixing

[james 408]

#1: should take a photo with boost cranked up
#2: write everything down
#3: small claims court

even if you can't prove sale, he damaged your vehicle by operating it outside of tolerances.
should be able to prove sale with signature on title though. that said there are lemon laws....

that sucks though, sorry. Not sure i've ever had coolant mix from turbos, only blown head gasket or cylindar walls... but there's a first for everything, it is possible i believe. could be as simple as replacing a part or two though, i believe coolant and oil can mix in a number of places?

[james 408]

pressure test the coolant system is a typical way to find the leak. never done it myself though -- a buddy had this issue on his 911.

[slomo]

i just read that the oil coolers fail and can mix water and oil. where is our oil cooler on the b5?

[zillarob]

The oil filter screws to it.

But keep in mind oil psi vs h2o psi and which way it would mix when running or shut off hot.

[infinkc]

You have the check he gave you, that's proof he bought it along with the signed title, why try and fix it? Seems like your hiding something from the story, if someone returned a car to me not in the condition it was sold I'd be pissed. Unless you agreed on some warranty you don't have to take it back.

[zillarob]

You have the check he gave you, that's proof he bought it along with the signed title, why try and fix it? Seems like your hiding something from the story, if someone returned a car to me not in the condition it was sold I'd be pissed. Unless you agreed on some warranty you don't have to take it back.

I agree. Canceling a check like this is prob right up there with fraud.

[beerock]

your giving up WAY TOO EASY, everyone is right he is not a friend. he was a friend. that check and signed title are proof. doesnt matter what he says he bought it and returned it. after he blew it up. your head gaskets are more then likely blown. you cant buy a car drive it home and then return it the next day with a blown engine.

[pipe7284]

Fight back!!!!!

[slomo]

my idea of fighting back is completely different than taking him to court. i dont think people realize how small claims work. even if i win which i know i would. the most they can levy would be a monthly judgement no more than $100. my concern is getting the car running again so it can go back on the market. as for me not fighting back... it will work itself out dont you guys worry. :)

[beerock]

small claims court is what under 2500 5000????? this isnt small claims? at least where I am it isnt whats are your small claims laws in your county?

your idea of fighting back sounds like it may get you into trouble.

[killerkali]

I believe here in CA for small claims the limit is up to 7500 for individuals . Don't fix this yourself, you're getting fucked hard here and shouldn't be. Just do not ever take a check again

[Meow]

my idea of fighting back is completely different than taking him to court. i dont think people realize how small claims work. even if i win which i know i would. the most they can levy would be a monthly judgement no more than $100. my concern is getting the car running again so it can go back on the market. as for me not fighting back... it will work itself out dont you guys worry. :)

You can get more than that. You can likely get either the damage or the full sale agreed price and he HAS to fulfill the contract. You had a written contract with an agreed price. If he canceled the check he broke the contract and is liable for that money. You will get your full amount. Talk to a lawyer right now bud. You don't deserve to get fucked on this.

[julex]

The engine is a toast. Car stopped running means stuff probably seized internally due to water in oil. This most likely means everything went, in including damage to turbos.

All sales are as-is. He got the title re-assigned, wrote a check. Sale is done. If anything, he was driving the car illegally since it wasn't properly registered anymore?

Anyway, I still don't understand why would people "sell" a car for a check (regardless or personal or banker, banker is probably even more suspicious imho). Car runs, you like it?, cash.

[01audia4]

The engine is a toast. Car stopped running means stuff probably seized internally due to water in oil. This most likely means everything went, in including damage to turbos.

All sales are as-is. He got the title re-assigned, wrote a check. Sale is done. If anything, he was driving the car illegally since it wasn't properly registered anymore?

This is why I always go to the BestAuto tags place to transfer the title when selling a car. He could have just not transferred the title so it was sitting in no mans land, that or always cash.

[Meow]

This is why I always go to the BestAuto tags place to transfer the title when selling a car. He could have just not transferred the title so it was sitting in no mans land, that or always cash.

Signing the title with an written in value amount is a form of a contract. That contract will hold in court and he will be required to fulfill it.

Talk to a lawyer. Your engine is ruined and that jerk is no longer anyone you should consider a friend.

[S4gasm aka LOTR]

This is a tough one, that kid screwed you, however...your biggest mistake was adding coolant again once you saw it was dry. Adding coolant never fixes a problem, you always need to find out WHY it was leaking coolant, never just add coolant and start the car up, you only made the problem worse. Once you realized it was dry, the car should have sat and never started until the issue was addressed. With a blown head gasket, you can potentially save the motor buy draining the oil and replacing head gaskets, and do a couple very short-interval oil changes. But just adding coolant like that and starting the car up, most likely ruined the bottom end bearings.

Bummer man, get that thing to a good tech, it's possible it may just need crank bearings and a head gasket, but for f sake, don't start the car anymore.

[jpurre]

Really sad to hear about stuff like this. As stated earlier, I would consult and get legal advice. At least get the money from him to fix the car, or make him fully execute the contract. Good luck.