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    I believe my baby is entitled to Canadian citizenship since the mother is a Canadian citizen. Questions i have are:

    1. Does the USA recognize dual citizenships?

    2. Any negatives about being a Canadian citizen like: Mandatory registration for military service, does my baby need to pay Canadian taxes, etc...?

    Here's a website where the Canadian Gov't discusses positives/negatives of dual citizenship:
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracerblah View Post
    I believe my baby is entitled to Canadian citizenship since the mother is a Canadian citizen. Questions i have are:

    1. Does the USA recognize dual citizenships?

    2. Any negatives about being a Canadian citizen like: Mandatory registration for military service, does my baby need to pay Canadian taxes, etc...?

    Here's a website where the Canadian Gov't discusses positives/negatives of dual citizenship:
    http://travel.gc.ca/travelling/publi...al-citizenship
    1. No. The US does not allow dual citizenship UNLESS you are from a nation that never recognizes renouncing of citizenship (Syria...)

    2. Yes, Technically there would be no US citizenship, so the negative is the loss of US citizenship and all that comes with that.

    Other countries (like England) allow dual citizenship, so that is why Canadia would publish articles about dual citizenship. My mother used to have dual citizenship to Jamaica and England before becoming a US citizen, where she had to give up both.

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    American/Canadian dual citizenship

    LOL @ mandatory Canadian military service.

    The whole dual citizenship ordeal seems a little fuzzy to me but I don't think JPT is quite right. I think if you're a Canadian and want to become a US citizen you have to renounce your CDN citizenship, however, as your baby is an American who would want to become Canadian, we don't make you renounce your US citizenship.

    I think if your child does wind up with a dual citizenship and ends up living in the States, they won't have to pay Canadian taxes (we tax based on residency), however, if your kid has a dual citizenship and moves to Canada, they'll have to pay taxes to both countries. As with most immigration policy in the US, it seems you guys are a little behind the times. Best option is probably to speak to some sort of immigration lawyer.
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    Heres the best info I could find. Note how they repeatedly refer to "dual nationality" and not citizenship. http://canada.usembassy.gov/consular...tizenship.html


    Also, LOLZ at mandatory Canadian military service too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPT View Post
    1. No. The US does not allow dual citizenship UNLESS you are from a nation that never recognizes renouncing of citizenship (Syria...)

    2. Yes, Technically there would be no US citizenship, so the negative is the loss of US citizenship and all that comes with that.

    Other countries (like England) allow dual citizenship, so that is why Canadia would publish articles about dual citizenship. My mother used to have dual citizenship to Jamaica and England before becoming a US citizen, where she had to give up both.
    I have friends that are dual US/Canadian citizens... so I don't think that's right.
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    JPT as usual doesn't no shit.

    The only part I don't like about being Canadian is the mandatory military service.

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    Reading a little more on it, your baby may actually already be a Canadian citizen automatically by descent. You may want to read through Bill C-37 which came into effect in 2009.
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    heh, there's a Am I a Canadian Citizen?” tool. I went thru this questionairre and it appears my baby is entitled to Canadian citizenship based on the answers i provided. I'm just worried about what negatives there might be if she applies for Canadian citizenship...

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/
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    Quote Originally Posted by CONTROL ONE View Post
    JPT as usual doesn't no shit.

    The only part I don't like about being Canadian is the mandatory military service.
    I thought i read somewhere that military service is not mandatory in Canada. True, false?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPT View Post
    1. No. The US does not allow dual citizenship UNLESS you are from a nation that never recognizes renouncing of citizenship (Syria...)

    2. Yes, Technically there would be no US citizenship, so the negative is the loss of US citizenship and all that comes with that.

    Other countries (like England) allow dual citizenship, so that is why Canadia would publish articles about dual citizenship. My mother used to have dual citizenship to Jamaica and England before becoming a US citizen, where she had to give up both.
    100% wrong.
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    OP has a good question but wrong application...

    pm Sen. Ted Cruz from Texas. Then try and convince him to move back to Canada! but I'm sure they won't take that bastard back.

    ...I guess we're stuck with that Congressional Troll for the duration.

    In all seriousness though, my grandfather "migrated" to US when he was kid (great grandfather accidentally moved the family herds of sheep into Washington or something like that, LoL ). They told him he had to first pick one when he went to enlist in the USN. But that was 80 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracerblah View Post
    I thought i read somewhere that military service is not mandatory in Canada. True, false?
    Dude, really?

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    The question isn't necessarily about whether the US allows dual citizenship as it is if the other country allows it. Be a US citizen first. Then seek citizenship in the other country. My niece has dual citizenship. Born and raised in the US. Again, a matter of technicalities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SliverJay View Post
    100% wrong.
    Because something happens as a technicality does not make me 100% wrong. Becoming a US citizen does require forfeiture of other citizenships, it is in the oath. This is only bypassed for nations that do not recognize forfeiture of their citizenships.

    I stand corrected about being born in the US and technically being able to gain citizenship of another nation. This only happens because having the birthright (or gaining citizenship as a child) does not require the oath (which is a legally binding agreement).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEmm View Post
    I have friends that are dual US/Canadian citizens... so I don't think that's right.
    Because someone has it, doesn't make it legal... But if they became US citizens as a child, then yes it would be legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONTROL ONE View Post
    JPT as usual doesn't no shit.

    The only part I don't like about being Canadian is the mandatory military service.
    Sorry. I do know shit. I am able to recognize it, I saw it once when Slow posted a picture of his bowl in the sometimes when I poop thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONTROL ONE View Post

    The only part I don't like about being Canadian is the mandatory military service.
    X2. That mandatory military deployment from age 18-35 really gets in the way of your prime years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalS4Avant View Post
    The question isn't necessarily about whether the US allows dual citizenship as it is if the other country allows it. Be a US citizen first. Then seek citizenship in the other country. My niece has dual citizenship. Born and raised in the US. Again, a matter of technicalities.
    That is necessarily the question here. Canada is up front about allowing dual citizenships in both directions. Everything I've found from the US government makes the process wholly unclear. Some of the wording makes it sound as though they can and will force you to renounce your US citizenship if you want to be a citizen elsewhere. I'm almost certain that the US will force a Canadian to renounce their citizenship if applying for an American citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    That is necessarily the question here. Canada is up front about allowing dual citizenships in both directions. Everything I've found from the US government makes the process wholly unclear. Some of the wording makes it sound as though they can and will force you to renounce your US citizenship if you want to be a citizen elsewhere. I'm almost certain that the US will force a Canadian to renounce their citizenship if applying for an American citizenship.
    You would be correct! it is in the oath.

    "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    That is necessarily the question here. Canada is up front about allowing dual citizenships in both directions. Everything I've found from the US government makes the process wholly unclear. Some of the wording makes it sound as though they can and will force you to renounce your US citizenship if you want to be a citizen elsewhere. I'm almost certain that the US will force a Canadian to renounce their citizenship if applying for an American citizenship.
    Agree with JPT on what he said above. If you go from one to the other, then you would have to give up citizenship in one to become a citizen of the US.

    As I previously said, the key here is already being a citizen of the US, then applying for citizenship of the other country. There's your path to dual.
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    I think everyone in this thread should take this test. If you don't get 100%, you need to quit giving advice. Obviously, the Canadians would be exempt, but I am still interested to see what you get if you care to take it

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline380 View Post
    I think everyone in this thread should take this test. If you don't get 100%, you need to quit giving advice. Obviously, the Canadians would be exempt, but I am still interested to see what you get if you care to take it

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    Quote Originally Posted by redline380 View Post
    I think everyone in this thread should take this test. If you don't get 100%, you need to quit giving advice. Obviously, the Canadians would be exempt, but I am still interested to see what you get if you care to take it

    http://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/qui...on-self-test-1
    The site is running slow. Must be on the Obamacare server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    Those may have been the easiest 25 questions I've ever been asked. Am I an American now?
    Well the actual test is 100 questions or something. Take the 3rd or 4th one. They get harder.

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    The site is running slow. Must be on the Obamacare server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    Those may have been the easiest 25 questions I've ever been asked. Am I an American now?
    What's your BMI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalS4Avant View Post
    The site is running slow. Must be on the Obamacare server.
    It gave me an error message, does this mean I automatically qualify for citizenship AND overpriced healthcare?
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    What's your BMI?

    Not enough, I'm sure
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    Could the test site be any slower?

    Edit: guess I was late to the punch on that one.

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    It gave me an error message, does this mean I automatically qualify for citizenship AND overpriced healthcare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    What's your BMI?
    24. I guess I'm still Canadian, eh?
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    Hmm..sounds like the US Gov't tolerates Dual Nationality, but does not encourage it...

    http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...tionality.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracerblah View Post
    Hmm..sounds like the US Gov't tolerates Dual Nationality, but does not encourage it...

    http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...tionality.html
    Yes, but the act of becoming a US citizen legally makes your renounce citizenship to any other country. If you become a citizen of another country that makes you do the same, technically you would be renouncing your US citizenship.

    Yes, they wouldn't know, but technically they could revoke your US citizenship if they can prove that you were forced to renounce your US citizenship when becoming a citizen of a nation that requires it. But it does seem that it is very unlikely that they would go after it, UNLESS you were being prosecuted elsewhere and seeking US protection.

    It isn't talked about much, but as a US citizen living overseas (especially in non-European nations), one thing you do not mess with is your US protection. You never know when you will need it. I know at least 5 families I went to school with that were rushed out of the country under the protection of the US embassy.

    I was offered a citizenship to another very wealthy nation, but it would have forced me to forfeit my US citizenship... There wasn't much of a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPT View Post
    Because someone has it, doesn't make it legal... But if they became US citizens as a child, then yes it would be legal.
    You're looking at this from a foreign citizen becoming a US citizen when that's not what he's asking about... He's asking if a current US citizen can get dual citizenship, which they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEmm View Post
    You're looking at this from a foreign citizen becoming a US citizen when that's not what he's asking about... He's asking if a current US citizen can get dual citizenship, which they can.
    I have no idea what Canada requires to become a citizen. If it is renouncing foreign citizenship, then it is not true. Even if you were born a US citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracerblah View Post
    heh, there's a Am I a Canadian Citizen?” tool. I went thru this questionairre and it appears my baby is entitled to Canadian citizenship based on the answers i provided. I'm just worried about what negatives there might be if she applies for Canadian citizenship...

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/
    You may already be a citizen if…

    you were born in Canada,
    you were naturalized (you immigrated to Canada and later got citizenship) in Canada or
    you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, but one parent was born in Canada or naturalized in Canada.


    You may not be a citizen if…

    you marry a Canadian citizen,
    you are adopted by a Canadian citizen,
    your refugee claim is accepted,
    you have lived in Canada as a permanent resident for many years,
    you renounced your citizenship and never applied to get it back (see information on resuming citizenship),
    you were born outside Canada on or after April 17, 2009, and one or both of your parents was a Canadian citizen, but neither of them was born or naturalized in Canada, or
    the Government of Canada took away (revoked) your citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracerblah View Post
    You may already be a citizen if…

    you were born in Canada,
    you were naturalized (you immigrated to Canada and later got citizenship) in Canada or
    you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, but one parent was born in Canada or naturalized in Canada.


    You may not be a citizen if…

    you marry a Canadian citizen,
    you are adopted by a Canadian citizen,
    your refugee claim is accepted,
    you have lived in Canada as a permanent resident for many years,
    you renounced your citizenship and never applied to get it back (see information on resuming citizenship),
    you were born outside Canada on or after April 17, 2009, and one or both of your parents was a Canadian citizen, but neither of them was born or naturalized in Canada, or
    the Government of Canada took away (revoked) your citizenship.
    You don't know what all the Canada and hockey fuss is all aboot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracerblah View Post
    You may already be a citizen if…

    you were born in Canada,
    you were naturalized (you immigrated to Canada and later got citizenship) in Canada or
    you were born outside Canada after April 17, 2009, but one parent was born in Canada or naturalized in Canada.


    You may not be a citizen if…

    you marry a Canadian citizen,
    you are adopted by a Canadian citizen,
    your refugee claim is accepted,
    you have lived in Canada as a permanent resident for many years,
    you renounced your citizenship and never applied to get it back (see information on resuming citizenship),
    you were born outside Canada on or after April 17, 2009, and one or both of your parents was a Canadian citizen, but neither of them was born or naturalized in Canada, or
    the Government of Canada took away (revoked) your citizenship.
    I think technically your child is both a Canadian and US citizen already. To formalize it, you'd likely just need to apply for "proof of citizenship". It seems pretty clear that Canada wouldn't make your kid renounce their US citizenship in the process but it may be so (though perhaps unlikely) that America forces you to give up your child's US citizenship when you apply for that proof of Canadian citizenship. This is the point where you should find someone who's a professional on the matter.

    From what I can tell, there aren't very many negatives to having dual-citizenship while your kid is living in the US, being a Canadian elsewhere in the world has very few obligations (Grant was joking about mandatory military service BTW). It will leave the door open for your child to move to Canada easily in the future if they wanted to, but, if the laws stay the same, they'd probably want to give up their US citizenship permanently at that point because paying two sets of taxes isn't fun.
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    Unless any of you f*ckers are immigration lawyers, you have no business giving "advice" on the topic. All these posts are nothing but opinions on the matter.

    My "advice" to the OP: Contact a lawyer for accurate information and give no credence to this entire thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    Unless any of you ******s are immigration lawyers, you have no business giving "advice" on the topic. All these posts are nothing but opinions on the matter.

    My "advice" to the OP: Contact a lawyer for accurate information and give no credence to this entire thread.
    I'm actually a Canadian Immigration lawyer by profession so do you still get to discredit me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONTROL ONE View Post
    I'm actually a Canadian Immigration lawyer by profession so do you still get to discredit me?
    Yep, the OP and child are Americans. You have no authority here. Unless you're a bar certified lawyer in the U.S., your advice is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    Yep, the OP and child are Americans. You have no authority here. Unless you're a bar certified lawyer in the U.S., your advice is worthless.
    I have a conditional international license.

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