So is Stasis no more?

[NWS4Guy]

I don't exactly understand this which apparently was posted a few weeks ago but never really announced: REVO has acquired RTK Technologies (which I am unfamiliar with), and they say that they will " whilst we retain access to legacy STaSIS and Eurojet product lines giving us the best of both worlds." Does this mean they are still "warranty backed" or is that no more? Does it mean they will use what they got out of the Stasis and Eurojet relationship and move that only ahead?

Anyone seen this or heard from REVO or Stasis about this?

http://www.revotechnik.com/february-newsletter/

[jlaudio]

Looks to me that they are splitting businesses again, Revo and Stasis. The question i would have is since the creation of the new LLC, are they attempting to shed financial responsibility from a previous corporation?
that wouldn't surprise me

[RickFLS4]

Sounds more like Stasis sold Revo (maybe to Revo management?) after previously acquiring it, but that the new independent company will still have access to some of the Stasis technology. Not really sure as this is the first I've read.

Edit: More confusing is the lack of mention of any of this on the Stasis site or the fact that the 2 people mentioned in the press release are also listed as the top 2 managers of Stasis on the Stasis site :

http://stasisengineering.com/about-s...anagement-team

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[A4 Centaur]

Never found out the results of the Eurojet Lawsuit and the original owners complaint in court: http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showth...t=28014&page=2

The folks here in west Denver have stated privately they don't know what is going on with Stasis.

[CL65 Captain]

It depends how they structured the sale. If they bought the "assets" of STaSIS, then the Corp is defunct and so the liabilities of the warranties. If they purchased the "stock" of the Corp then everything goes along with it. I'm not a lawyer, but we broker small businesses and we never recommend to the buyer to purchase the LLC or Corp. only do an asset purchase otherwise you are inheriting all the liabilities known and unknown.

[Skidrowe]

This is curious news. Hopefully the STaSIS rep on these boards chimes in with what's going on from their perspective.

-Skid

[NWS4Guy]

It depends how they structured the sale. If they bought the "assets" of STaSIS, then the Corp is defunct and so the liabilities of the warranties. If they purchased the "stock" of the Corp then everything goes along with it. I'm not a lawyer, but we broker small businesses and we never recommend to the buyer to purchase the LLC or Corp. only do an asset purchase otherwise you are inheriting all the liabilities known and unknown.

Really good point there. So both Stasis and warranty could likely be gone...

[QuattroLife]

In other words.. that's why you shouldn't go with Stasis even for the "warranty."

[Chris@RevoUSA]

Hi guys wanted to chime in and just clarify a few things. I cannot and will not speak on behalf of anything related to STaSIS but I can address some of the things related to Revo brought up in this thread.

Revo has essentially purchased itself back from STaSIS. The formation of the LLC was nothing more than creating a holding company to purchase this stock, pretty standard as mentioned above. RTK has always been and will continue to be the company doing business as Revo which is now simply held by the new LLC. Due to our location in the UK and our global dealer network relationships were made during the merger that will benefit all parties to leave intact, this is all that is meant by the access to STaSIS and Eurojet product lines. For you as a customer and for our dealers nothing at all will really change with how Revo Software was distributed and managed.

Hope this helps clear up some of the questions at least in regards to Revo.

[NWS4Guy]

Chris thanks for chiming in!

While I understand you cannot comment on another company, what does this mean for REVO software bought under the Stasis name and the warranty which was placed alongside this? It is still your software, so do you know if that safety net is still in place?

[crew219]

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Chris thanks for chiming in!

While I understand you cannot comment on another company, what does this mean for REVO software bought under the Stasis name and the warranty which was placed alongside this? It is still your software, so do you know if that safety net is still in place?

What safety net? I thought this was already discussed before.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post7449324

[Luna's S4]

Hi guys wanted to chime in and just clarify a few things. I cannot and will not speak on behalf of anything related to STaSIS but I can address some of the things related to Revo brought up in this thread.

Revo has essentially purchased itself back from STaSIS. The formation of the LLC was nothing more than creating a holding company to purchase this stock, pretty standard as mentioned above. RTK has always been and will continue to be the company doing business as Revo which is now simply held by the new LLC. Due to our location in the UK and our global dealer network relationships were made during the merger that will benefit all parties to leave intact, this is all that is meant by the access to STaSIS and Eurojet product lines. For you as a customer and for our dealers nothing at all will really change with how Revo Software was distributed and managed.

Hope this helps clear up some of the questions at least in regards to Revo.

Thanks Chris. That's all I need to know.


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[QuattroRocket]

Interesting, now we need a little chime in from Stasis side to hear whats what ?

[jran76]

Well, there is definitely something going on. I have been on vacation, but I got a call from Stasis saying they could not rebuild the dampers on my coilovers because they don't have any parts and don't know when they will get any (one was blown and being done under warranty, so I sent the others in to be rebuilt at the same time). They want to send my coilovers back, and have me send them to someone else.... Needless to say I am pretty pissed, and I would not recommend buying Stasis coilovers at this point.

In my case, I had already arranged the return, obtained an RMA number, etc., and they waited until they had the dampers to tell me they couldn't do it. They also had just posted a few days before that they had our dampers "rolling off the assembly line" in the suspension sale thread which would indicate they had the parts at some point. I tired to call them back on Friday, but they did not return my call. I'll try again Monday, but I am not holding out a lot of hope. They went from a 2-3 day turn-around 2 weeks ago to not being able to do it at all now. Something is fishy and not making sense, but my advice is stay away for now.

I am going to post a link to this in their recent suspension sale thread, and I'll update once I get things worked out next week.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...tasis+coilover

[MHSFBay]

Well, there is definitely something going on. I have been on vacation, but I got a call from Stasis saying they could not rebuild the dampers on my coilovers because they don't have any parts and don't know when they will get any (one was blown and being done under warranty, so I sent the others in to be rebuilt at the same time). They want to send my coilovers back, and have me send them to someone else.... Needless to say I am pretty pissed, and I would not recommend buying Stasis coilovers at this point.

In my case, I had already arranged the return, obtained an RMA number, etc., and they waited until they had the dampers to tell me they couldn't do it. They also had just posted a few days before that they had our dampers "rolling off the assembly line" in the suspension sale thread which would indicate they had the parts at some point. I tired to call them back on Friday, but they did not return my call. I'll try again Monday, but I am not holding out a lot of hope. They went from a 2-3 day turn-around 2 weeks ago to not being able to do it at all now. Something is fishy and not making sense, but my advice is stay away for now.

I am going to post a link to this in their recent suspension sale thread, and I'll update once I get things worked out next week.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...tasis+coilover

"Something going on.." ??

To STaSIS:

Well STaSIS , these type of experiences (Product support) are not conducive to building (or maintaining?) our customer confidence. eh? We (customers) continue to hear about these actual experiences (fact) and more of simple rumors-- I sympathize with the STaSIS employees putting their guts on the line trying to help us ( and I could mention them but maybe note helpful to their cause with in-house politics) , while these things are happening undermining their efforts. Who could blame REVO for "bailing" on the STaSIS exec's.

[A4 Centaur]

This is from Jaunuary 2012 and updated this year: http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201208120051

http://www.stasisengineering.com/sit...0_3_%20_2_.pdf

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201208080294

That stuff is from awhile back nothing recent on the web.

[westwest888]

Here is my theory that I've derived from several real world sources anecdotally:

* Stasis almost went bust at their Sonoma location next to Sears Point Raceway (Infineon)
* Stasis made a deal with the North American Audi dealer network to sell in certain retail locations on a franchise owner opt-in basis
* Stasis moves to West Virginia next to Summit Point Raceway
* Stasis software could only be sold and installed by Audi dealers, to preserve the supply chain for customer vehicle warranty guaranteeing
* Revo was under no such contract and began selling the same software trunk (with additional branches for 100 octane) to independent motorsports shops in the USA
* Revo can sell Stasis hardware in Europe under the Revo name, since "Stasis" means "Stasi" which means german secret state police and is not a popular brand to market under

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* Stasis contract not renewed
* Audi and Quattro GMBH start showing concept and pre-production cars with 2.0L 400HP engines and 4.0L 700 HP engines from the factory

[NYSpeedRacer]

So Stasis is completely useless and their warranty isn't solid....I mean if Stasis goes under, then so goes the warranty right? Unless theirs a third party backer....

[A4 Centaur]

This fellow has some serious insight into the troubles: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...g-build-thread

QUA77RO even had a little back and forth with them a year or so ago.

This story about Stasis is a sad commentary and hopefully folks who purchased stuff from them will be ok.

[SwankPeRFection]

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What safety net? I thought this was already discussed before.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post7449324

You know, I've seen this bullshit edited screenshot for a long time and it sure as shit would be nice if APR and anyone taking a shit on the REVO tune would post their own map of this exact example instead of showing the difference between REVO and STOCK. We have to take APR's word for what this specific map in question is, but not once do you see a non-blurred out screenshot published that shows what this map really is and what it's called. I posted in those other thread that discussed this bullshit to no end and no one ever came forward and posted what I and a few others wanted to see. Everyone still goes by what Arin once posted as if it's gospel. If you want people to trust what you say, then maybe you should post info in STOCK vs COMPETITION VS YOUR OWN for a select few "safety margin" tables/maps and show us credible proof of the real differences. Instead, we're all kept in the dark because Arin thinks he'll be giving away super secret intellectual property. Bullshit! I'm still waiting for GIAC and other tuners to run into the Cold Startup EPC issue that APR ran into over the past year or more and just finally fixed a few weeks ago once it finally made a big stink on there. Until then, people were running around with EPC startup issues all winter long and no one was the wiser. Imagine how pissed new APR purchasers would have been knowing they'd always run into these bullshit issues. Oh, but APR can do no wrong, because apparently Arin took care of it immediately once he was notified that despite his "Oh, but MY car in Alabama doesn't exhibit this problem." mentality, others in much colder climates were having issues. If APR truly tests their tunes in all climates, I find it very hard to believe they wouldn't have found the issue themselves early on and fixed it before it even surfaced as a problem for some owners.

But let's not regress here... APR's shit don't stink, right?

[Stereodude]

So Stasis is completely useless and their warranty isn't solid....I mean if Stasis goes under, then so goes the warranty right? Unless theirs a third party backer....

The same could be true of any company. The warranty is only as strong as the company standing behind it. This isn't news.

[integroid]

There you go again...bringing in APR to a thread that has nothing to do with them.

[SwankPeRFection]

Well, there is definitely something going on. I have been on vacation, but I got a call from Stasis saying they could not rebuild the dampers on my coilovers because they don't have any parts and don't know when they will get any (one was blown and being done under warranty, so I sent the others in to be rebuilt at the same time). They want to send my coilovers back, and have me send them to someone else.... Needless to say I am pretty pissed, and I would not recommend buying Stasis coilovers at this point.

In my case, I had already arranged the return, obtained an RMA number, etc., and they waited until they had the dampers to tell me they couldn't do it. They also had just posted a few days before that they had our dampers "rolling off the assembly line" in the suspension sale thread which would indicate they had the parts at some point. I tired to call them back on Friday, but they did not return my call. I'll try again Monday, but I am not holding out a lot of hope. They went from a 2-3 day turn-around 2 weeks ago to not being able to do it at all now. Something is fishy and not making sense, but my advice is stay away for now.

I am going to post a link to this in their recent suspension sale thread, and I'll update once I get things worked out next week.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...tasis+coilover

Maybe you should ask them to send you new ones then. If they cannot stand behind their product because they're going out of business, then they should reach in their own shallow pockets now and send you what they have left in the warehouse.

Who are we kidding guys. Many dealers has Stasis exhausts on deep sale a couple of months ago and others also put a sale on their suspension products. They said it was just to liquidate the existing product to make room for new shipments. I say it should have been marked as a Fire Sale... because you know, that's what it really was. Stasis has been pulling out of Audi dealerships for a while on their S4 tuned editions and it's been harder and harder for dealerships to deal with them over the past year or so on warranty issues. It's very possible that Stasis and REVO merged originally to pool their resources and help Stasis out for what they saw as a possible bailout. Once REVO became aware of the issues on hand, they are divorcing the company out and exiting in such a legal way as to not take any of the financial burden of Stasis with them during the divorce. REVO was always kinda small anyway, they probably thought they were going to get bigger with the merger last year only to realize that they just stepped into some quicksand. Who knows... seems everyone under a non-disclosure at the moment or at least an ethical mindset of not talking bad about the other side, which I can respect.

[SwankPeRFection]

There you go again...bringing in APR to a thread that has nothing to do with them.

Hey, I'm not the one who posted the screenshot provided by APR, so don't blame me, blame crew219!

[jran76]

Maybe you should ask them to send you new ones then. If they cannot stand behind their product because they're going out of business, then they should reach in their own shallow pockets now and send you what they have left in the warehouse.

Who are we kidding guys. Many dealers has Stasis exhausts on deep sale a couple of months ago and others also put a sale on their suspension products. They said it was just to liquidate the existing product to make room for new shipments. I say it should have been marked as a Fire Sale... because you know, that's what it really was. Stasis has been pulling out of Audi dealerships for a while on their S4 tuned editions and it's been harder and harder for dealerships to deal with them over the past year or so on warranty issues. It's very possible that Stasis and REVO merged originally to pool their resources and help Stasis out for what they saw as a possible bailout. Once REVO became aware of the issues on hand, they are divorcing the company out and exiting in such a legal way as to not take any of the financial burden of Stasis with them during the divorce. REVO was always kinda small anyway, they probably thought they were going to get bigger with the merger last year only to realize that they just stepped into some quicksand. Who knows... seems everyone under a non-disclosure at the moment or at least an ethical mindset of not talking bad about the other side, which I can respect.

That is one option I'll discuss with them on Monday if I can get in touch with them. As someone that managed a Tech Support/Product Support/RMA group through bankruptcy, that is what this sounds like. You are immediately cut off from suppliers, and it is a difficult situation for the remaining customers and employees. I can say that we were strait up honest with our customers about what was going on, but we were a public company and the bankruptcy was public knowledge. Either way, they are in a tough spot it sounds like. I'm hoping to reach some resolution on this, and I'll post an update when I do. I think I have the option of having them rebuilt locally by a Penske dealer. When I was at the Audi Academy checking out the A3, one of the local Audi experts was saying there is a place that can rebuild them using Penske fluid and components (which he recommended over Stasis/Ohlins-- there dealership was a Stasis dealer).

[integroid]

At this point I would just pray you get back what you sent them. You can have them rebuilt from numerous places as long as you can get them back. I would rather be out a few hundred dollars for a rebuild than the initial investment of the setup.

[afig367]

So far, nothing about this topic on R8Talk.com. I'd expect to see if there first as there are a TON of owners with the STaSIS superchargers. The R8 business is pretty much the only thing STaSIS cares about.

[TimH]

I remember being in this very debate a couple of years ago when I got my tune from APR vs Stasis. Without an insurer backing their warranty, I cautioned folks not to get too excited about the warranty until they knew Stasis' financial ability to stand behind the products they were selling. I did a little checking at the time and was not impressed with the financial filings I found. Hopefully they'll recover, but with this much smoke...doesn't look good.

[jran76]

At this point I would just pray you get back what you sent them. You can have them rebuilt from numerous places as long as you can get them back. I would rather be out a few hundred dollars for a rebuild than the initial investment of the setup.

I think I will be able to. It sounded like they want to wash their hands of this right now, and send them back. The parts required for the rebuild are not hard to get (as you point out there are many places that can do it), so there is more going on. Even in bankruptcy, there are usually people still around to send things out/back if needed. My first request is going to be for them to swap out mine with new ones since I know they have them as they posted as much in the other thread. Since they have mine, they can keep them, and send me a new set.

That's a lot to ask, but sometimes you have to do things like that in these situations. When my company was going through a similar situation, we did whatever it took to keep our remaining customers happy as it was our only hope to keep our business alive long-term. We came out of it pretty good overall; we lost maybe 10% of our customers, and sold what was a 10 million dollar business coming out of bankruptcy for 80 million 2 years later. Of course we were a 500 million dollar company pre-bankruptcy with 1200 employees, and went down to 40 in bankruptcy.

[QuattroLife]

Here is my theory that I've derived from several real world sources anecdotally:

* Stasis almost went bust at their Sonoma location next to Sears Point Raceway (Infineon)
* Stasis made a deal with the North American Audi dealer network to sell in certain retail locations on a franchise owner opt-in basis
* Stasis moves to West Virginia next to Summit Point Raceway
* Stasis software could only be sold and installed by Audi dealers, to preserve the supply chain for customer vehicle warranty guaranteeing
* Revo was under no such contract and began selling the same software trunk (with additional branches for 100 octane) to independent motorsports shops in the USA
* Revo can sell Stasis hardware in Europe under the Revo name, since "Stasis" means "Stasi" which means german secret state police and is not a popular brand to market under

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* Stasis contract not renewed
* Audi and Quattro GMBH start showing concept and pre-production cars with 2.0L 400HP engines and 4.0L 700 HP engines from the factory

Stop acting like Audi and Stasis had some sort of official relationship. They weren't even close to what Dinan is to BMW. And you act like these "concept" cars are a result of the ending of the relationship.. how about the trend of outputting a lot of power with little displacement but with a turbo? Are you really saying that they'd rather go to Stasis for one-of-a-kind cars instead of Quattro Gmbh.. Audi's official racing sport/sport subsidiary?

[westwest888]

Stop acting like Audi and Stasis had some sort of official relationship. They weren't even close to what Dinan is to BMW. And you act like these "concept" cars are a result of the ending of the relationship.. how about the trend of outputting a lot of power with little displacement but with a turbo? Are you really saying that they'd rather go to Stasis for one-of-a-kind cars instead of Quattro Gmbh.. Audi's official racing sport/sport subsidiary?

I didn't say anything about Audi Germany or Audi America. I said certain independent auto franchisees entered into a relationship with Stasis to co-market parts and packages.

TAG Motorsports in San Diego does some one off custom jobs for local Mercedes and Audi dealers. Those are the cars you see on the showroom floor with $10,000 in upgrades over MSRP. The Stasis Challenge package was a very ambitious licensing and branding of that kind of custom work.

[QuattroLife]

I didn't say anything about Audi Germany or Audi America. I said certain independent auto franchisees entered into a relationship with Stasis to co-market parts and packages.

TAG Motorsports in San Diego does some one off custom jobs for local Mercedes and Audi dealers. Those are the cars you see on the showroom floor with $10,000 in upgrades over MSRP. The Stasis Challenge package was a very ambitious licensing and branding of that kind of custom work.

Then why in hell would you say this:

* Audi and Quattro GMBH start showing concept and pre-production cars with 2.0L 400HP engines and 4.0L 700 HP engines from the factory

That's exactly what I was talking about in the post you quoted me for. You went from talking about independent dealers to a point that relates to Quattro GmBH.

[westwest888]

Audi factory is going to start tuning cars to the maximum output their displacement will allow them to. There is no need to renew the relationship with what is uniquely an aftermarket software tuner for years into the future. I'm sure hardware and package sales were declining every year and a few dealers probably dropped out, putting Stasis under water. They clearly haven't released any new products.

[Arin@APR]

Audi factory is going to start tuning cars to the maximum output their displacement will allow them to.

Sorry, that will never happen.

- They need significant head room.
- They need to worry about the idiots running 87 octane.
- They need to worry about the idiots who don't change their oil.
- They have to comply with extreme emissions.
- They need to meet different MPG requirements.
- They have noise restrictions.
- They know "sounds" like a turbo or supercharger in excess scares people.
- They are taxed on output in some areas.
- Their customers are taxed based on output in some areas.
- They know insurance rates increase with output.
- They will compete with different vehicles and be the underdog in some situations.
- List goes on...

[S!Lver_S4]

Sorry, that will never happen.

- They need significant head room.
- They need to worry about the idiots running 87 octane.
- They need to worry about the idiots who don't change their oil.
- They have to comply with extreme emissions.
- They need to meet different MPG requirements.
- They have noise restrictions.
- They know "sounds" like a turbo or supercharger in excess scares people.
- They are taxed on output in some areas.
- Their customers are taxed based on output in some areas.
- They know insurance rates increase with output.
- They will compete with different vehicles and be the underdog in some situations.
- List goes on...

Some great points here. Thanks Arin. Things will remain the same but engine efficiency and power will go up with new technology :)

[westwest888]

Sorry, that will never happen.

- They need significant head room.
- They need to worry about the idiots running 87 octane.
- They need to worry about the idiots who don't change their oil.
- They have to comply with extreme emissions.
- They need to meet different MPG requirements.
- They have noise restrictions.
- They know "sounds" like a turbo or supercharger in excess scares people.
- They are taxed on output in some areas.
- Their customers are taxed based on output in some areas.
- They know insurance rates increase with output.
- They will compete with different vehicles and be the underdog in some situations.
- List goes on...

Respectfully, don't you expect to see more cars like the CLA45 AMG? I expect all S and RS model Audi cars to push into this territory, while the A model cars limp along on 87 octane and no oil. We could see lines of cars like the TT that have a 2.0L throughout the range in arbitrary levels of output. Even the new M3 and 335i are like this.

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[audistealth]

I think Audi is more interested in volume right now. Halo cars just aren't as high of a priority.

[jran76]

Here is my latest update after talking to Stasis today:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post9571013

[A4 Centaur]

Customer service in a tight economy should be priority #1 for a company. Quelling rumors and leading from the front would go a long way towards putting customers minds at ease.

Getting trite and worthless responses to valid complaints on a forum like Audizine is just disrespectful and bad business.

It's funny how the good sponsors here are constantly grooming their client base and providing top notch service and communication, and then look at the folks who don't. Very sad.

[Stereodude]

Stasis never made anything anyways, so we all know what's not true. They rebranded as much as they could, designed a few brackets and valving, and sold it with all with a magical "warranty" everyone else called fake, since it wasn't backed should they go belly up.

So the company without a warranty is mocking another company for attempting to offer one. That's pretty rich.