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    18yo Sues Parents For School Tuition & Living Expenses After Running Away

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    Is this some shit or what? Run away from home and sue your parents for your living expenses, the remainder of HS tuition to a private school and sue them for the college savings they've been saving. Unbelievable...

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    entitlement much?
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    Scary to think that you could invest so much time, money and love on someone only to have them turn out to be an ungrateful piece of shit.

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    question is, how much time did they invest if they turned out this way??? chances are they invested a lot of money, but not much time, possibly not much love either
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    Not saying I know one way or the other, but the girl is claiming abuse by the parents. I say make them pay if that's the case.

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    Beyond pathetic.

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    18yo Sues Parents For School Tuition & Living Expenses After Running Away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    Not saying I know one way or the other, but the girl is claiming abuse by the parents. I say make them pay if that's the case.
    Eff that....her version of abuse is probably making her drive a Hyundai instead of a Bimmer, having her allowance cut to $500/week, and making her pay for her own insurance/gas.
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    Parents sound pretty awful, kid sounds even worse. Tally it all up and there are very few things I could care less about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropicgreena4 View Post
    question is, how much time did they invest if they turned out this way??? chances are they invested a lot of money, but not much time, possibly not much love either
    I don't know, man, I've seen some horrible people come from loving and caring parents. Some people just are who they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    Not saying I know one way or the other, but the girl is claiming abuse by the parents. I say make them pay if that's the case.
    The state investigated her claims, interviewed the parents as well as the other two children and decided that her claims were bullshit. Her parents were giving her shit for alcohol and recent issues with her boyfriend so she decided to move out because they were literally Hitler about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    Parents sound pretty awful, kid sounds even worse. Tally it all up and there are very few things I could care less about.
    It's a slow day here at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    Parents sound pretty awful, kid sounds even worse. Tally it all up and there are very few things I could care less about.
    LMAO

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    The ****(twat) and that is what she is, is being enabled by the douchebag father of the friend who she is living with.

    She had a curfew of 130AM that she broke, started drinking, being disrespectful and more. Parents were trying to keep her straight and given the evidence of the case worker stating that she was an "entitled brat" really goes against her.

    She was asking for $600 for weekly allowance (wtf???), boarding and school, and college of all things. Fuck that. The family should counter sue the father and have her pay for their expenses.

    This is what happens when you don't spank your child, or ground them. Entitled ****s (twat) like this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    I don't know, man, I've seen some horrible people come from loving and caring parents. Some people just are who they are
    I'm not disputing that, but I've seem way too many kids with entitlement issues come from parents who just throw money at them and don't actually parent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBM View Post
    The ****(twat) and that is what she is, is being enabled by the douchebag father of the friend who she is living with.

    She had a curfew of 130AM that she broke, started drinking, being disrespectful and more. Parents were trying to keep her straight and given the evidence of the case worker stating that she was an "entitled brat" really goes against her.

    She was asking for $600 for weekly allowance (wtf???), boarding and school, and college of all things. Fuck that. The family should counter sue the father and have her pay for their expenses.

    This is what happens when you don't spank your child, or ground them. Entitled ****s (twat) like this...

    When did c-u-n-t get censored? Replaced it with more appropiate.
    And apparently this is what happens when you do spank your child...

    Not sure which is worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropicgreena4 View Post
    I'm not disputing that, but I've seem way too many kids with entitlement issues come from parents who just throw money at them and don't actually parent.
    Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tropicgreena4 View Post
    I'm not disputing that, but I've seem way too many kids with entitlement issues come from parents who just throw money at them and don't actually parent.
    see my stripper comment. throwing money at them is what is expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    And apparently this is what happens when you do spank your child...

    Not sure which is worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    And apparently this is what happens when you do spank your child...

    Not sure which is worse.
    Your parents never spanked you for breaking a rule? Did they cuddle you when you did something bad? When you showed disrespect towards them did they say that's ok?

    What? Not being entitled and self contributing member of society? Oh yeah...I got spanked but I got raised right. This 1990s generation that is being told they are the best thing since sliced bread, and that they are entitled are really grinding my gears.

    Being in the Navy I see these kids a lot on the ships, hell I had to deal with 90 or so of them and they lack the respect that the 80's generation had. I have requested kicked kids out of the Navy being disrespectful and just having a piss poor attitude, while writing those born in the 80s recommendation letters for them to be appointed Officers...

    This case needs to be made an example of this twat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBM View Post
    I got spanked but I got raised right
    You got raised right, yet you use foul language and are overly judgmental. Study after study has shown that corporal punishment doesn't work. Here's a cut and paste for you to think about:

    The American Academy of Pediatrics also believes that corporal punishment polarizes the parent-child relationship, reducing the amount of spontaneous cooperation on the part of the child. The AAP policy statement says "...reliance on spanking as a discipline approach makes other discipline strategies less effective to use".

    A meta-analysis of 88 research studies testifies to many long and short-term dangers of corporal punishment and concludes that corporal punishment of children is “associated with all child constructs, including higher levels of immediate compliance and aggression and lower levels of moral internalization and mental health.” A 2003 review of available research into parental punishment concluded that "strong evidence exists that the use of physical punishment has a number of inherent risks regarding the physical and mental health and well-being of children".

    In a 2006 Study on Violence against Children the Independent Expert for the Secretary-General to the General Assembly writes: “Children testify to the hurt – not only physical, but ‘the hurt inside’.”

    A 2008 study published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that mothers who reported spanking their children were more likely (6% vs 2%) to also report using forms of punishment considered abusive to the researchers "such as beating, burning, kicking, hitting with an object somewhere other than the buttocks, or shaking a child less than 2 years old" than mothers who did not report spanking, and increases in the frequency of spanking were statistically correlated with increased odds of abuse.

    There is also MRI evidence that children treated with harsh corporal punishment have reduced gray matter when aged 18–25 in their prefrontal lobe. Such research also found that these reductions in gray matter linked to reduced performance IQ on the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    There is also MRI evidence that children treated with harsh corporal punishment have reduced gray matter when aged 18–25 in their prefrontal lobe. Such research also found that these reductions in gray matter linked to reduced performance IQ on the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.
    Correlation or causation? Maybe dumb kids just need to be hit a few more times before the get it. =)

    I'll never hit my kids (I hope). I have snatched one of them up and dragged his ass to time out, though.

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    Well fuck me if I can't say the fucking word and have to listen to dumbass mother fucking scientists that put out "Don't hit your spank your kid b/c of the possibility that he could go shoot up a mall"

    Sorry to say fuck that. I know kids that were like this entitled brat that would just walk all over their parents b/c they were "new age" and they wouldn't punish their child and make excuses for him.

    Well let's see he wrapped his Volvo around a tree drunk driving, parents bought a 350Z for him to replace it.

    He ended up getting arrested for dealing pot but got off from the police, and didn't get punished.

    I was personally in the same room when he told his mom to shut the fuck up. Yeah wouldn't happen in my family. He didn't turn out to be anything b/c the real world bit him in his ass.

    Maybe if kids were taught to be a little more respectful and follow the rules, maybe their level of entitlement would go down, and we wouldn't have Occupy Wallstreet kids crying about the harsh reality of life.

    Break the rules and get punished, if you don't get punished guess what? Life bites you in the ass.

    Also I can probably go and find a study and copy and paste it on here and disregard the questions that I asked you...

    I will spank my child if they disobey me verbally multiple times to get their attention but not every time. It worked for me. Mom had heavy hands. No blood was ever drawn, some bruising when I did something bad which I actually forgot now, but I know I never did it again.

    So I ask again...were you spanked as a child?
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    I got spanked as a child. I don't have one iota of resentment toward my parents for doing so. As a matter of fact, I have a TON of respect for them. I'm sure if you asked me at the time, yeah, I didn't like my parents for spanking me, but, as they say, hindsight is 20/20.
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    There are five kids in our family, we all got spanked. Never beat, but spanked. It was up until I think 10-12 or so...after that we already knew we were going to be punished if we did something stupid so we didn't do it. My older sisters did take a brunt of it b/c they did stupid stuff...hanging out with a bf they were told not to and ended stealing a car with him...but it was more grounding and such.

    To show punishment in other ways, here is my case. I got a C or so in Chemistry and I had to wear suit and tie in the 8th grade until I brought it up to an A. Embarrassment? Yup, for the first week and then I embraced it, but I learned my lesson. School was my job and it got me into the Naval Academy so I cannot complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBM View Post
    Maybe if kids were taught to be a little more respectful and follow the rules, maybe their level of entitlement would go down, and we wouldn't have Occupy Wallstreet kids crying about the harsh reality of life.
    I don't disagree with you that there should be consequences for behaviors and decisions. What I'm saying is that I'm not convinced that corporal punishment accomplishes the goal of teaching those behaviors. In fact, it's my opinion that it does the opposite. You may think kids "respect" their parents who spank them, but that has simply been shown to not be the case. Kids who are spanked only obey out of fear of being spanked again; they don't obey because they "respect" the parents. Wouldn't it be much better if kids behaved appropriately not because they are afraid of being physically hurt, but because they actually understood the real meaning of respect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    You got raised right, yet you use foul language and are overly judgmental. Study after study has shown that corporal punishment doesn't work. Here's a cut and paste for you to think about:

    The American Academy of Pediatrics also believes that corporal punishment polarizes the parent-child relationship, reducing the amount of spontaneous cooperation on the part of the child. The AAP policy statement says "...reliance on spanking as a discipline approach makes other discipline strategies less effective to use".

    A meta-analysis of 88 research studies testifies to many long and short-term dangers of corporal punishment and concludes that corporal punishment of children is “associated with all child constructs, including higher levels of immediate compliance and aggression and lower levels of moral internalization and mental health.” A 2003 review of available research into parental punishment concluded that "strong evidence exists that the use of physical punishment has a number of inherent risks regarding the physical and mental health and well-being of children".

    In a 2006 Study on Violence against Children the Independent Expert for the Secretary-General to the General Assembly writes: “Children testify to the hurt – not only physical, but ‘the hurt inside’.”

    A 2008 study published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that mothers who reported spanking their children were more likely (6% vs 2%) to also report using forms of punishment considered abusive to the researchers "such as beating, burning, kicking, hitting with an object somewhere other than the buttocks, or shaking a child less than 2 years old" than mothers who did not report spanking, and increases in the frequency of spanking were statistically correlated with increased odds of abuse.

    There is also MRI evidence that children treated with harsh corporal punishment have reduced gray matter when aged 18–25 in their prefrontal lobe. Such research also found that these reductions in gray matter linked to reduced performance IQ on the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.


    there's a difference between a system of corporal punishment (which I don't support) and occasionally spanking a child (I have no problem with).

    I think I got spanked once and it straightened me out tout de suite

    I think my mother crying at the same time I was let me know she wasn't enjoying it either
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBM View Post
    Your parents never spanked you for breaking a rule? Did they cuddle you when you did something bad? When you showed disrespect towards them did they say that's ok?

    What? Not being entitled and self contributing member of society? Oh yeah...I got spanked but I got raised right. This 1990s generation that is being told they are the best thing since sliced bread, and that they are entitled are really grinding my gears.

    Being in the Navy I see these kids a lot on the ships, hell I had to deal with 90 or so of them and they lack the respect that the 80's generation had. I have requested kicked kids out of the Navy being disrespectful and just having a piss poor attitude, while writing those born in the 80s recommendation letters for them to be appointed Officers...

    This case needs to be made an example of this twat.
    No, none of my four siblings or I were spanked (though we never got in any real trouble either) but that's neither here nor there.

    You just seemed a little overzealous in your condemnation for a case that you know next to nothing about (you've skimmed one cnbc article). An immediate jump to that much resentment and frustration doesn't necessarily bode well for your tried and true parenting techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuvix View Post
    You got raised right, yet you use foul language and are overly judgmental. Study after study has shown that corporal punishment doesn't work. Here's a cut and paste for you to think about:
    "Study shows....."

    You know what else study's show? They show that alcoholic beverages may or may not be good for you, that coffee may or may not make you more productive. Studies are subjective and have some merit to their claims but are never scientific.

    Do you have a child?
    Have you ever raised a child of your own?

    Unless you have, studies are nothing more than a tool utilized by the parents to parent their child properly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tropicgreena4 View Post
    I got spanked as a child. I don't have one iota of resentment toward my parents for doing so. As a matter of fact, I have a TON of respect for them. I'm sure if you asked me at the time, yeah, I didn't like my parents for spanking me, but, as they say, hindsight is 20/20.
    This.

    I was spanked as a child but I don't think I was any less intelligent than the kid next to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow4 View Post
    I was spanked as a child but I don't think I was any less intelligent than the kid next to me.
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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and everyone is entitled to raise their children as they see fit in accordance with the law. I recommend folks know the laws in their respective state and county. I think some might be surprised on what is and isn't allowed with regards to corporal punishment.

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    ^Definitely.

    My parents are from Mississippi but I was born in raised in NJ. My dad used to spank us (by spank I mean thrown closed fists to the head after a few Jack & waters) and while I think that was ok in Mississippi in the 50's, I'm thinking in NJ during the 80's that was probably frowned upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    Who did you sit next to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    ^Definitely.

    My parents are from Mississippi but I was born in raised in NJ. My dad used to spank us (by spank I mean thrown closed fists to the head after a few Jack & waters) and while I think that was ok in Mississippi in the 50's, I'm thinking in NJ during the 80's that was probably frowned upon.
    Yup, "corporal punishment" and child abuse are two different things in my eyes.

    Your father disciplining you with a closed fist after a few drinks is not disciplining. Me spanking Ethan after I told him not throw his toys onto the floor or slamming the door onto his mom's face deserves an open handed pat on the butt and a stern lecturing.
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    When he wasn't drunk he'd give us the belt. That shit hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A4A4A4 View Post
    No, none of my four siblings or I were spanked (though we never got in any real trouble either) but that's neither here nor there.

    You just seemed a little overzealous in your condemnation for a case that you know next to nothing about (you've skimmed one cnbc article). An immediate jump to that much resentment and frustration doesn't necessarily bode well for your tried and true parenting techniques.
    I didn't read just one site. I have been following the case once I first noticed in my feed. There were different "facts" and different statements throughout the sites and I conclude that this is another affluenza issue.

    Sad that it got to this level and even sadder that she wore her school uniform to court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    When he wasn't drunk he'd give us the belt. That shit hurt.
    Hell ya it did.

    I never got a D in algebra or geometry ever again.....but that still doesn't give me the right to emancipate myself from the family, move in to my friends place, have her dad finance my lawsuit and then openly take my dad to court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    When he wasn't drunk he'd give us the belt. That shit hurt.
    I got the wooden spoon a lot, and vinegar or soap in my mouth. I could stand the soap, but that vinegar made me gag something fierce.

    And guess what, I am not a crazed lunatic murderer. Kids need punishment or they don't learn. Telling them that staying past curfew is bad doesn't cut it. I got my car taken away. Seems like this bitch needs a good spanking now. And looks like she could use one.

    I think the real issue here is that this is an obvious cry for attention. She obviously feels that her parents have never cared enough about her, so she is going to extreme measures.

    On a side note, anyone notice that the dad is claimed to make 250k a year? On a retired police chief's pension? I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltrons_Head View Post
    When he wasn't drunk he'd give us the belt. That shit hurt.
    I got the belt as a late 80's baby and I think it was incredibly necessary to whip me into shape. I wasn't ever a troublemaker, but I was definitely a stubborn immature little kid. I am thankful to have the parents I do, and think they raised me the best way anyone could. That shit worked, and I was never bruised or emotionally crippled from it.

    Also, the fear of getting the belt was actually worse than the belt itself. Just knowing you did something bad enough to deserve that gets you to realize that it was wrong and change is necessary. My mom used the wooden spoon which got mostly laughed at... she broke a few of those over my brother.
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    Oh the wooden spoon...I forgot what my sister did but she got a Frat Paddle...

    And again, I have a great IQ I think and I am successful member of society.

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