S4 cluster in b6

[lwl712]

soo I really wanna swap my stock cluster for a s4 b6 cluster. Love the way it looks. The needles, font and the color dis. But can someone please tell me the steps to installing the cluster in my b6. I mean steps from the day the purchase the s4 cluster online btw I need it in kmh. Thanks in advance i couldnt really find a detailed tutorial

[elewsader]

Get in contact with Tom at http://www.speedosolutions.com/Audi-...ofit_p_32.html

[gmudan]

You could change the background+needles if you really wanted to right?

[b6Hate4]

You could change the background+needles if you really wanted to right?

Correct.

[lwl712]

I did contact the help desk over at speedosoltuion. I wanted one in kph but they dont have em. Told me to send them one so they can virginise it for me. I guess thats okay to do but I dont know what to do after the cluster has been virginized. Also changing the needles and background just doesnt cut it. That color dis is something else

[A4orce84]

I have some spare cluster parts if you want to do a hybrid A4 Cluster like this:



Note the color DIS screen. Let me know if you are interested! =)

--Asif

[AudiA4Turbo22]

I just swapped a color S4 cluster into my B6, but mine has red needles off an A4(I prefer these)

[mauromj]

How did you keep your milage? I thought it starts back at 0?

[b6Hate4]

How did you keep your milage? I thought it starts back at 0?

You program it via vag-com I believe.

[Dubsport Inc]

I did contact the help desk over at speedosoltuion. I wanted one in kph but they dont have em. Told me to send them one so they can virginise it for me. I guess thats okay to do but I dont know what to do after the cluster has been virginized. Also changing the needles and background just doesnt cut it. That color dis is something else

Tom will help you out after you get it back... It is fairly straight forward and he is a great person to deal with!

[Matt Devo]

OP, be aware you cannot swap an S4 cluster into a MY2002 A4, only a color cluster from another 2002 (which is what I did). Otherwise have Tom virginize it and he'll provide instructions for installation, setting the mileage, etc. which requires the full version of VCDS.

[xhackerekx]

with proper program u can read current cluster information like codding millage imo pin and write to new cluster what I did on my car . sorry for crappy iphone pic.

[ShogunR32]

I bought a S4 cluster to put in but I could not get it to adapt. I instead deleted my green headlight symbol and took the the needles out the S4 cluster and had white LEDs soldered into my stock cluster's gauges. Im happy with the look, excuse the old crappy pic.

[Matt Devo]

since everyone is posting pics, 2002 color cluster retrofitted:

[lwl712]

OP, be aware you cannot swap an S4 cluster into a MY2002 A4, only a color cluster from another 2002 (which is what I did). Otherwise have Tom virginize it and he'll provide instructions for installation, setting the mileage, etc. which requires the full version of VCDS.

So I cannot swap an s4 cluster into my 2002 b6?

[daverdfw]

I would love to do this to my 2003 A4, love the white LED's! Looks really good!

[Matt Devo]

So I cannot swap an s4 cluster into my 2002 b6?

Correct, only MY 2003-2005

[sa_seahawker]

just curious, but S4 redline is 7000....A4 is 6500?

[chad99]

Correct, only MY 2003-2005

I don't know if this is correct. I have a 2002 and put in a S4 cluster...maybe mine is late 2002?...I have the weird CCM, old window switch wiring, and front and rear seat heaters

[Myst420]

Correct, only MY 2003-2005

Matt,

It is possible. You just have to have either a cluster out of a 2002 3.0 with nav (had color DIS) OR an s4 cluster from a MY 2004/2005 (this is all info verified with Tom @ Speedosolutions)

[Myst420]

I don't know if this is correct. I have a 2002 and put in a S4 cluster...maybe mine is late 2002?...I have the weird CCM, old window switch wiring, and front and rear seat heaters

Do you know what MY the new cluster came from? or what part # the S4 cluster was?

[Matt Devo]

I don't know if this is correct. I have a 2002 and put in a S4 cluster

Matt,

It is possible. You just have to have either a cluster out of a 2002 3.0 with nav (had color DIS) OR an s4 cluster from a MY 2004/2005 (this is all info verified with Tom @ Speedosolutions)

This must have changed then. Wonder if Tom is flashing the S4 cluster with the 02 A4 eeprom and then hacking it. Because the 02s have a separate part # due to ECU and wiring differences

[Myst420]

Its possible. I couldnt tell you how he does it, but he told me that he swapped one into an 02 local to him and didn't have any issues.

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[chad99]

Do you know what MY the new cluster came from? or what part # the S4 cluster was?

I don't remember, I won the cluster off eBay, it was off a 2004 s4 I think.

I was able to virgin it and get it to work on my car. I believe the differences are rb4 and rb8 (it has been awhile since I looked into this), you have to stick with what type you already have, there are a lot of different part numbers for clusters but the main thing is rb4 (b6?),rb8 (b7?)and the convertible s4s

There should be a sticky made on this topic, it comes up so often.

[Myst420]

I don't remember, I won the cluster off eBay, it was off a 2004 s4 I think.

I was able to virgin it and get it to work on my car. I believe the differences are rb4 and rb8 (it has been awhile since I looked into this), you have to stick with what type you already have, there are a lot of different part numbers for clusters but the main thing is rb4 (b6?),rb8 (b7?)and the convertible s4s

There should be a sticky made on this topic, it comes up so often.

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but did you do all the programming yourself? I've found instructions on how to get my SKC pin (seems pretty simple) and the instructions for adapting the new cluster to the immo. But I'm still trying to figure out how I can adjust the mileage.

[chad99]

I did all the programming myself but really the whole thing about hacking proms or needing to read or convert hex values or what ever people say about it does not apply anymore. It may have been true in the past but it's really all just BS now, people make it sound hard and complicated but it's not.

I got some sort of OBD device that just plugs in and with the included software I was able to read SKCs from cluster, virgin clusters, make the odo whatever I wanted, copy current cluster setup and write it to the s4 cluster after virgin. I think the device was vag dash something, mine didn't say it but the software looked the same as vag dash from what I remember.

Honestly for what mpower charges you can buy the device yourself, it's just he's taking the liability if he screws up.

[Myst420]

Was it the Vag Commander program? I have a copy of that. I haven't played with it yet. I know I can read my current SKC, but I'm not sure how to go about reading the SKC from the new cluster.

[chad99]

No I remember it looked like vag dash something not commander, that much I remember. But there are generic versions out there (which is what I have) and some are hit and miss when it comes to working correctly

[chad99]

Oh and to get the Skc from the s4 cluster I just plugged it into the car and had the OBD software read the Skc. Better to bench test it first but I just really wanted to get it working ASAP so I took a chance and it worked fine.

I was able to swap the s4 cluster in and program 4 keys, took an hour since it was my first time really using the software and I had to redo some stuff but if you know what your doing it really only should take 20 min or less, that includes copying the stock cluster info then writing it to the s4 cluster.

If you only had to virgin a cluster that would take about 5min or less

[rollerton]

I did all the programming myself but really the whole thing about hacking proms or needing to read or convert hex values or what ever people say about it does not apply anymore. It may have been true in the past but it's really all just BS now, people make it sound hard and complicated but it's not.

I got some sort of OBD device that just plugs in and with the included software I was able to read SKCs from cluster, virgin clusters, make the odo whatever I wanted, copy current cluster setup and write it to the s4 cluster after virgin. I think the device was vag dash something, mine didn't say it but the software looked the same as vag dash from what I remember.

Honestly for what mpower charges you can buy the device yourself, it's just he's taking the liability if he screws up.

Be careful what you tell people to do. If you did it, and you did it in an 02', then you got lucky. There are a pile of differences, the early/late split being the main one. But other than that there are at least a couple different varieties of the cluster that will have various functionality. For instance- most of the early clusters had a dedicated immobilizer light (car/key looking thing), and that was replaced by the TPMS icon and "safe" in the odometer. Also, the VSS (speed sensor) was changed at some point in 02-03- so you might get the "right" S4 cluster but the speedometer wont work. And you can swap the faces but the S4 LED's are white, A4 LEDs are red. The icons in the faces mostly stayed the same, but there were a couple changes. The S4 screen is about 1/8" smaller all around so putting the A4 faces on it ...looks funny to me.
Starting in 03' The mileage can only be adapted in mode4 (virgin mode), and only once before something like 50 miles/ 80km- after that you need to re-virginize the cluster, even the dealer can't do that. A tool called 'Deja vu' can though. If you did it with Vag-dash-Can you're the lucky one who has. I don't recommend ANYONE use that chinese garbage for ANYTHING, ...it rarely works.
Vag-commander can be used to read the SKC... but again, be careful. Good thing is that nowadays almost any bricked cluster can be recovered...but YMMV.

[xhackerekx]

still chinese garbage work very well speed sensor input are same output is different

[Myst420]

I just picked up an s4 cluster, so I'll experiment a little and see what I can do. I plan on only using vag commander and vcds. If I can't get it working I'll send it to Tom and see if he can clone mine with it.

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[xhackerekx]

don't use vag commander this is real garbage , buy vag dash u can copy u current eprom and write to new cluster included millage vin # imo # .

[chad99]

Be careful what you tell people to do. If you did it, and you did it in an 02', then you got lucky. There are a pile of differences, the early/late split being the main one. But other than that there are at least a couple different varieties of the cluster that will have various functionality. For instance- most of the early clusters had a dedicated immobilizer light (car/key looking thing), and that was replaced by the TPMS icon and "safe" in the odometer. Also, the VSS (speed sensor) was changed at some point in 02-03- so you might get the "right" S4 cluster but the speedometer wont work. And you can swap the faces but the S4 LED's are white, A4 LEDs are red. The icons in the faces mostly stayed the same, but there were a couple changes. The S4 screen is about 1/8" smaller all around so putting the A4 faces on it ...looks funny to me.
Starting in 03' The mileage can only be adapted in mode4 (virgin mode), and only once before something like 50 miles/ 80km- after that you need to re-virginize the cluster, even the dealer can't do that. A tool called 'Deja vu' can though. If you did it with Vag-dash-Can you're the lucky one who has. I don't recommend ANYONE use that chinese garbage for ANYTHING, ...it rarely works.
Vag-commander can be used to read the SKC... but again, be careful. Good thing is that nowadays almost any bricked cluster can be recovered...but YMMV.

Of course it may not work for you, I'm just saying what I did.

I know you have to virgin the cluster, I have done it twice once to my stock 2002 cluster and another time on the 2004 s4 cluster.

I think most would agree dealerships are stupid when it comes to this stuff. To them if it's not printed in a tech memo it does not exist.

If you actually used the vag dash and it didn't work for you then you must have had a Chinese knock off, the real vag dash is not Chinese; in fact back when I was looking into it the guy who wrote vag dash would actually respond to emails and I did get an email back from him confirming that it will only work for rb4 not the newer rb8 clusters as for making then virgin

If you are too scared to do this then either don't do it or just pay mpower to do it, like I said he takes the responsibility when he does it. I'm sure when he does do it, it only takes him 5 min or less to virgin it then a few more to check all the functions.

[rollerton]

If you are too scared to do this then either don't do it or just pay mpower to do it, like I said he takes the responsibility when he does it. I'm sure when he does do it, it only takes him 5 min or less to virgin it then a few more to check all the functions.

Not scared, just smart. I know the older clusters fairly well, or at least I used to...I think I was one of only 3 or 4 people in the US who had successfully built a hybrid FIS Passat W8 cluster and got it to work on a Mk4- which included soldering microresistors onto the circuit paths to compensate for the-canbus signal the W8 uses, and writing a custom eeprom to enable the extra features from the W8- it was a "virgin" Euro r32 eeprom with the bytes added for 4cyl Passat and coded for 4cyl US / row.
Many of the Chinese knockoffs work fine for certain things (I've had a dozen or so crappy interfaces), you just have to know what NOT to use it for. And I bet you had a chinese version too- or at least a Pirated version~ since buying a real Vag Dash Can interface has always been many times more expensive than paying someone to just to the programming and usually costs what a beand new cluster would cost.
If you paid less than $600 for a Vag-Dash then I doubt it was authentic. Either way, I'm HAPPY to hear that it's possible without talking to the dealer or paying someone to do it, and I'd be interested in where you got the interface that actually worked!

[chad99]

Not scared, just smart. I know the older clusters fairly well, or at least I used to...I think I was one of only 3 or 4 people in the US who had successfully built a hybrid FIS Passat W8 cluster and got it to work on a Mk4- which included soldering microresistors onto the circuit paths to compensate for the-canbus signal the W8 uses, and writing a custom eeprom to enable the extra features from the W8- it was a "virgin" Euro r32 eeprom with the bytes added for 4cyl Passat and coded for 4cyl US / row.
Many of the Chinese knockoffs work fine for certain things (I've had a dozen or so crappy interfaces), you just have to know what NOT to use it for. And I bet you had a chinese version too- or at least a Pirated version~ since buying a real Vag Dash Can interface has always been many times more expensive than paying someone to just to the programming and usually costs what a beand new cluster would cost.
If you paid less than $600 for a Vag-Dash then I doubt it was authentic. Either way, I'm HAPPY to hear that it's possible without talking to the dealer or paying someone to do it, and I'd be interested in where you got the interface that actually worked!

Oh I know it's a Chinese knock off I mentioned that in the other post mine is generic if you read the post

But to say the Chinese vag dash will not work without even buying one and trying it yourself on a cluster is just bad science, it's okay to warn it may not work but to say its a waste to attempt it is just wrong.

I got it off eBay but the seller has since been shutdown by eBay, I'm sure there are lots of others out there on eBay or you could try dh gate

I can tell you took offense when I typed the word "scared" judging by your long background response. I'm sorry for that, I meant it for people who are scared to attempt it but still want the color cluster, it's just easier to pay mpower

The whole reason why I even posted in this thread is to kill the damn rumors by people who have never attempted it that this process is very hard or complicated like many have made it out to be.

[diagnosticator]

with proper program u can read current cluster information like codding millage imo pin and write to new cluster what I did on my car . sorry for crappy iphone pic.

Please describe "proper program". What program did you use and where did you get it?

[xhackerekx]

Please describe "proper program". What program did you use and where did you get it?

^ # 33 vag dash 5.17 from http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?...20140307222733 work just perfect on b6 and b7

[ImAudiHeree]

Just wanted to say i just successfully swapped a 2005 b6 S4 cluster into my 2002 Audi A4 thanks to mpower aka tom from speedosolutions.com. I had the the S4 cluster virginized by him and i already had my skc so it was just a simple matter of coding through ross tech. The color dis that does not fade is to die for over the stupid red screens.Heres some pics from my iPhone.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7uwdpyhcu...eHG_49JTa?dl=0

Here the album of pictures if they are not showing up.

[MNAudi101]

When I did my S4 cluster, I bought mine fro mom, great person, walks you through everything. I used Vag commander to get my numbers from my cluster then with the cluster virgined I used Vag com to insall it and put my miles in. I believe no matter what you need to have the custer virgined before the install.