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    Best bang for the buck handling mods?

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    I do solemnly swear that I did search! I just wasn't satisfied with the results.

    Car info:
    99 A4 TQM , AEB engine
    Lowered on H&R springs only (p/o did it)
    The rest of my suspension is stock


    So my question is,

    For the money, what are the best suspension mods for HANDLING?

    I know sway bars are one. But which sway bar setup is the best?

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    rear sway bar is probably the best bet.

    h-sport?

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    Best bang for your buck is good performance driving lessons on a track and good tires.

    Next weight loss, light wheels (less unsprung weight), and new-or-better condition of suspension components (i.e. not much use putting money into springs/shocks/sways when you have bad bushings)

    Then, work on the shocks/springs and sways, adjustable shocks and sways so that you can fine tune your setup. You get what you pay for. Get spring rates that fit your end goal. Ideal spring rates can vary depending on the intended use.

    Finally, stiffen up suspension and chassis mounting points, braces etc.


    I can't stress enough that training will show the most improvement. I took a 2-day driving course put on by Porsche in Birmingham Alabama, we were driving 911 Carrera S's, Cayman S's, Boxster's etc. At the beginning of the course our teachers could have easily bested many of the students track time with the students in a 911 and the instructor in a Volkswagen Eurovan.
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    034 Motorsport rear sway bar!
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    Best bang for the buck? An S4 rear sway bar. You should be able to pick one up for less than $100. Can't beat that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimusglen View Post
    At the beginning of the course our teachers could have easily bested many of the students track time with the students in a 911 and the instructor in a Volkswagen Eurovan.
    I can't help myself but I found this hilarious.

    I have the same suspension and did 034 SD Engine & Tranny mounts (less engine roll), control arms (steering was crisp),19mm Rear Sway Bar (less body roll) and JHM Trio (solid shifting).

    The new 034 sway bar is the Bee's knees.
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    The funny thing with the 034 rear sway is since there is almost no body roll, when you jack up the front wheel, the whole side of the car comes up.
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    Do I need to replace end links when I upgrade my rear sway bar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaCross View Post
    Do I need to replace end links when I upgrade my rear sway bar?
    Not necessarily. The stock endlinks are plastic and inherently weaker than other options out there.
    I "upgraded" mine to the Meyle HD metal endlinks at the same time I installed the 034 rear sway bar.
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    Wish the S4 RSB would bolt onto FWD without a lot of fabrication. RSB looks like the best suspension upgrade for a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMan View Post
    Not necessarily. The stock endlinks are plastic and inherently weaker than other options out there.
    I "upgraded" mine to the Meyle HD metal endlinks at the same time I installed the 034 rear sway bar.
    I would and did. The way the endlink bolts are, you probably will strip them out when you try to replace them anyway. I ended just sawzalling mine off when I replaced mine. The top bolt comes off fine, its the lower bolt with the 5mm allen key that strips. If you go the 034 route, i highly recommend the support brackets as well.
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    Depo ecodes, DDM slim 6000k, VDO boost gauge, PLX AFR, Greddy profec B EBC,
    H&R sport springs, 034 rear sway, 034 rear diff carrier, A8 fronts,18x8 OZ Superleggera
    Next up E85, efr 7163 or gtx3071r?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avant Nate View Post
    If you go the 034 route, i highly recommend the support brackets as well.
    This.
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    ^Or weld some reinforcements to the subframe. But the 034 brackets are srsly baller.

    The 034 rear sway bar is the hot ticket. I tell you.
    ^Don't listen to this guy, he's not even a mechanic.
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    Like everyone else has said, make sure the suspension/steering is tight and then sway bars

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    What are these "adjustable upper control arms" all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaCross View Post
    What are these "adjustable upper control arms" all about?
    Correcting camber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S4NIK8 View Post
    Like everyone else has said, make sure the suspension/steering is tight and then sway bars
    I'd love tighter steering, I currently have like 1-2 inch of play in my steering annoying as hell, especially when trying to drive smooth so my girlfriend doesn't yell at me for going around corners "too fast." Anybody know what causes this and how I can fix it? I read somewhere about it being the U-joint.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xthealienatorx View Post
    I'd love tighter steering, I currently have like 1-2 inch of play in my steering annoying as hell, especially when trying to drive smooth so my girlfriend doesn't yell at me for going around corners "too fast." Anybody know what causes this and how I can fix it? I read somewhere about it being the U-joint.


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    If it's not the tie rods it's probably the steering rack. There is a slack adjustment on the rack that could help, I've never done it but it's been documented here.
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    Is it actual slack in the steering wheel or do you turn does it bind before finally turning properly? If it's slack, the above advice will help. Regardless you should lift you car and take a bar to play with your control arms and other suspension components. Check for slack, worn out bushings, etc. All this will contribute to poor handling and feedback.
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    I thought you could only adjust the slack on a FrontTrash car?

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    ^Nope, all the racks have a slack adjustment. Bentley manual says to have someone turn the wheel back and forth 30 degrees while someone else listens for clunking at the rack. If there is noise heard, tighten up the adjustment without making the rack so stiff that it doesn't return to center while driving.
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